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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 10 2012 08:25 PassiveAce wrote: This thread has sucked for like two pages now. all of you gtfo with this shit. it is off topic. but i dont see how its any better than the usual stuff | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On August 10 2012 09:32 rabidch wrote: it is off topic. but i dont see how its any better than the usual stuff Yeah this is actually hilarious. I just woke up and the first thing I get is a good laugh. On August 10 2012 03:35 LeglessPuppy wrote: Who carries harder than him? Luna, TA, Morphling, Viper (yes, even viper), shadowfiend, razor, weaver, mirana, drow, OD, QoP, Invoker (if he builds like a carry), Furion (same as invoker). I mean most of those heroes on the list can't even outcarry a clinkz but the last 3 are just completely clueless. On August 10 2012 03:35 LeglessPuppy wrote: QoP: Can carry, can gank, what more do you need from her? That's right noobs. Qop can carry because she can carry. Now shut the fuck up and stop arguing with me because I'm a pro -cm player and you guys are just -ap pub scrubs. lmao. Honestly this guy should be immortalized with font in the OP of the dota general thread. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YZA6n.jpg) I laned solo vs krob and potm. Amazing. | ||
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LeglessPuppy
United States190 Posts
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LeglessPuppy
United States190 Posts
On August 10 2012 08:47 Heh_ wrote: Luna: short range, lower hp than clinkz after death pact. No innate escape mechanic. TA: short range, easily countered. Can't push down towers fast. Enough said. Morphling: good hero, but doesn't have similar burst to clinkz until he gets ethereal blade. Different purposes. SF: ridiculously easy to gank. No innate escape mechanic. Enough said. Mirana: unreliable stun, shitty carrying ability, Can't push down towers fast. Drow: only brings silence and right clicks to the fight. Easily ganked. No innate escape mechanic. Can't push down towers fast.. QOP: can carry, can't push down towers fast. Furion: unreliable escape mechanic. All of these heroes have DIFFERENT ROLES compared to clinkz. Clinkz isn't first-pick material. However, clinkz does have uses, which have already been mentioned but you so kindly overlooked. Jesus do you ever learn to fucking read? I said in my very first post about this that he is good at what he does, assassinate. He is very good at ganking assuming you are playing vs people who dont know what a sentry ward, dust, or a gem is. Obviously different heroes have different roles that I did not overlook. If mirana has such shitty carrying ability then why has she been picked over 300 times with many of them coming AFTER clinkz was released? Pro's would never pick a hero that doesnt do well right? Isn't that what you guys said to me? I think he just said sf takes towers better than clinkz. LOL. As pretty decently farmed late game clinkz can flat out ignore a creep wave and 10 second down a tower against backdoor regen. That is actually a fairly large part of the reason he is taken, because if you get him farmed, he can take games even if you are far behind by raxing teams during team fights. I've done it a few times myself, and it is HILARIOUS, and good. He can also completely 1 v 1 most support heroes with nothing but an orchid at lvl 7. He is a hero that can hit his stride very early in the game, while also still dealing insane lategame damage, and having a great innate escape mechanism. He's like a ranged tiny without the stuns in many ways. Takes right off at lvl 7, and is able to gank most squishies right off the bat, while also completely capable of carrying the game, and turning any late game won team fight into a double rax instantly. None of the things i just said apply to QoP, SF, Viper, furion, Mirana, AM, morph, etc, and that is why people pick him, because they need what he brings to the table on their team in some lineup/ban situations. did you read my previous post? Not once did I say late game SF out-pushed a lategame well farmed clinkz as that would be stupid for anyone to even think. I DID say that clinkz has his niche which is his steroids (the ONLY thing he has since even his cloak is a move speed steroid). SF can demolish a creepwave before your creeps even turn on them which is what I said, which allows you to continue pushing the tower. OBVIOUSLY a well farmed clinkz will melt a tower extremely quickly. What carry doesnt? And you have repeated the same thing I have said in my last few posts of he has his niche and he is good at what he does and that we don't know WHY he was picked in the games unless we go in and look at each one of them individually because in 42 of those 70 games he wasn't the correct pick (and we shit all over in most of them if you went by kd:r only). @FinestHour yes I do like building hearts on ranged carries AS A LAST ITEM. I never once said "oh you just rush out a heart and GG". In fact, I like building a heart on pretty much every carry. That extra health and being able to regen on the run helps tremendously @Canas I wasn't saying sven is a melee carry, I am talking about pro-games (a couple recently) where they use sven as the carry where there are MUCH better options (I would almost welcome a spirit breaker before a sven). That's right noobs. Qop can carry because she can carry. Now shut the fuck up and stop arguing with me because I'm a pro -cm player and you guys are just -ap pub scrubs. lmao. Honestly this guy should be immortalized with font in the OP of the dota general thread. Never claimed I am a pro, I claimed that building a team around a carry was something that is better left to non-AP players since they play whatever the fuck they want to play anyway. If I was immortalized on the front page you would have to include the 2 pages of people repeating the same exact things trying to ridicule me but not providing anything to the argument themselves. Only a couple people did and I acknowledged them while the rest of you continued to say how shitty every carry on that list was without saying any reason why you think that or providing any factual info. So please, before you try to step into something that you apparently read NOTHING OF aside from that first post, read all the posts. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
Yeah, sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. When literally everyone disagrees with you, you're either completely wrong or a visionary like Galilieo. Any madman could pretend he knew Earth revolved around the sun.. but the difference is that the lunatic can't prove it, just like your empty words. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 10 2012 11:33 writer22816 wrote: rofl you are the illiterate one here. Why don't you go read your posts again? You brought up a whole list of heroes that you claim can "carry harder than a clinkz" when the vast majority of them can't. Then you just proceed to list everyone's abilities and conclude that clinkz's carrying is shit. You don't even have an argument. You start out talking about who carries harder and then you jump around to niche roles, teamfight potential, team comp and a whole lot of other bullshit, all the while with a ridiculous holier-than-thou attitude "i play CM therefore i'm better than you AP scrubs". Just queuing CM doesn't make you good. In fact it's clear that you have a worse understanding of dota than almost everyone else in this thread. Everybody here has already debunked everything you have said. well CM games are actually easier than AP games at the same mmr level  | ||
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
gtfo | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On August 10 2012 14:35 konadora wrote: this thread is shit now wtf gtfo Are you on leave every week now or something? | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
On August 10 2012 14:42 Firebolt145 wrote: Are you on leave every week now or something? singapore birthday i got the weekend off | ||
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Lavitage2
198 Posts
With the CM we have now, you get completely screwed over if your captain is some dumbfuck who thinks picking his dream comp is more important than assigning everyone heroes they're actually good with. Even worse, your captain might not understand english... if you think playing with a BR is bad in some all pick game, try having one draft a team for you. | ||
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LeglessPuppy
United States190 Posts
 )@those who like reading this thread that aren't involved in this: I apologize for the bullshit you have had to read over the last few pages. If you guys would like to have an actual discussion, please let me know and we can discuss our different points in a civil manner. You guys could have always asked, what aspects from ______ make him/her a better carry than clinkz in your eyes and I would have gladly explained. For example, Razor. By himself he is pretty shitty at carrying but what he does best is shut down your carry if he is allowed to leash their damage for the full duration. His leash at level 4 steals/gives 288 damage from the target to him (just for those that don't know for sure) which is a HUGE amount no matter who you are playing. That aspect of him is why I believe that if he was able to leash on a clinkz for the whole duration he would be able to "outcarry" him. Very dependent on being able to stay leashed to the target but highly rewarding if you are able to. As for the whole gem/dust/wards thing. My position on that won't change. IMO: People have no room to complain about losing to any stealthed hero if they don't do what they can to shut them down early. Sure they may get farmed later but if you make a Clinkz or Riki die multiple times in lane, avoid ganks, or force them out of exp range because you want to spend the money on being able to counter their stealth you are off to a very good start (obviously). | ||
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LeglessPuppy
United States190 Posts
On August 10 2012 15:11 Lavitage2 wrote: I want a draft mode like LoL's, where the captain does bans but everyone picks his own hero. With the CM we have now, you get completely screwed over if your captain is some dumbfuck who thinks picking his dream comp is more important than making sure every person gets a hero he's good with, or if your captain can't understand english. If you think playing with a BR is bad in some all pick game, try having one draft a team for you. Worst one I had was a russian that wanted an all blue team. Somehow our comp of Drow, Kunkka, Tide, Lich, and AA managed to win. I forget who the other team had but what sticks out in my memory is our captain only saying 1 phrase all game which happened to be at the end of the game. "team blue win!" | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Bone is actually more of a pusher than 'real' range carry. But obviously if you could get silence wand (complete free farm) at 9min then you can solo any support/low hp heroes in a few seconds. Don't see them much nowadays in my games because they are not the 'reliable' heroes to play with i guess. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 10 2012 15:17 LeglessPuppy wrote: Worst one I had was a russian that wanted an all blue team. Somehow our comp of Drow, Kunkka, Tide, Lich, and AA managed to win. I forget who the other team had but what sticks out in my memory is our captain only saying 1 phrase all game which happened to be at the end of the game. "team blue win!" That actually seems like a pretty reasonable team comp for such a weird theme lol. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 10 2012 15:36 TheYango wrote: That actually seems like a pretty reasonable team comp for such a weird theme lol. tide isnt really blue | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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