In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 50

On February 27 2014 00:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lifestealer distinctly does NOT max feast in lane dear god.

You generally want 1-1-1 at 3 but the order is extremely situational. Feast only does things for you if you are hitting the enemy heroes at that stage (it is in general around 2 dmg in lasthit scenarios, no better than stats lol).

From there, rage is the skill you want points in but you generally need anywhere from 2-4 points in open wounds to actually get it on an enemy due to the abysmal range.

The most REASONABLE build as a "cookie cutter" is IMO Open Wounds max as that gives you the most usefulness early, although often you need more than 1 point in rage to be useful so... yeah its situational. Something like "E/W/Q/E/E/R/E/Q/Q/Q/R/W/W/W/Stats/R" to 16.

After the first point, feast is pretty much always worse than the other abilities. Don't forget that the first feast level is better than the next 3 combined.

Oh yeah items. Midas is much better in lane than jungle but it remains situational, theres lots of games you don't want it.

Hyperstone aint core. U only want that item if ur going AC or mjollnir, which is NOT a given.

On February 27 2014 01:09 LonelyCat wrote:
Midas is far from necessary in lane with lifestealer now, it depends on how much you expect/want to fight heroes. Phase/drum/armlet rush (I'd argue drum is core) probably gives you one of the strongest 20-minute heroes in entire game.

Since the Open Wounds nerf as Sn0_Man says you need more than a single point in almost all scenarios (1 point isn't even enough to guarantee it if you have a naix bomb!), I started 1/1/3/1 quite often since the nerf, then either going to 4/1/3/1, 2/1/3/1->2/1/4/1->4/1/4/1, but as a general case I think 1/1/3/1 into 4/1/3/1 is probably best as it gives you rage maxed relatively early but allows you to chase down easily.

I think AC is better than Mjollnir (in fact Mjollnir is bad in most situations I think) in almost all situations - its relatively rare that armor is bad. Desolater is probably situational, its a rare pickup now but super strong if you need to end and are snowballing as it kills people even faster + helps kill towers.

Orb of Venom should be situational probably, its super good on a hero building to chase people down to eat them.
Heart feels mediocre on LS when compared to other options but I haven't played him much without a delivery system in a long long time so maybe then its better.

Is starting shield, branch x2, salve, tango not better than the alternative - if you want a general guide I think a surplus of regen is probably ideal.


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Tusk (Middle) could be worth doing though its pretty rare in pubs, but I'm not sure how much it would differ from other Tusk guides other than bottle?

On February 27 2014 01:16 TheYango wrote:


Shaman support should still have Blink Dagger as situational. Mid Shaman should have Mek as situational.

The starting items for mid Shaman should not be Tango+3 Branch bottle rush. If you're going to rush Bottle, then start Tango+Salve+4 Branch.


Beastmaster mid:
Skill Build: Max Axes, then Call, Aura at 2 always, sometimes at 4 depending on playstyle.
Starting: Tango, 3 Branch
Early: Boots, Bottle, Wand (Arcanes+Bottle+Wand+Headdress+Smoke+TP is your early game core which lets you camp out in jungle after level 8 and always be a gank threat thanks to TP+Smoke)
Core: Arcanes Mek Necro (Necro rush is good if you're ahead and can use it to solo-kill but the Mek first is better in even-ish games and most people reading this guide aren't going to usually get ahead enough for Necro rush to be worth it on a hero that fundamentally stalemates most lanes)
Situational/Extension: Vlad Agha Pipe AC Heart Blink Sheep Halberd

On February 27 2014 01:45 TheYango wrote:
Blink+Force is fine, there's nothing wrong with having both.

On February 27 2014 02:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmmmm
Poof really helps u CS at level 1 or 2 but w/e. Level 1 net is pretty ass too if u don't have a setup stun.