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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 20:15:50
January 29 2014 20:11 GMT
#921
I'm not sure how I didn't mention this before, but Drow's skill order should be Arrows>Silence>Aura.

The aura gets the bulk of it's benefit on the 1st rank--subsequent ranks give far less incremental benefit than the longer silence duration. It is a somewhat better farming skill than Silence, but if you were going with a farming build, you wouldn't have maxed Arrows first anyway (farming build would probably be something like 1-1-1+2xStats before 6, then taking more aura after 6 before leveling arrows/silence). It's not really logically consistent to max Arrows first but then max Aura afterward.

S&Y should be situational. I honestly buy it more often than Manta now, since after the various changes to Marksmanship, Drow Illusions don't get ANY of the Agility bonus from Marksmanship, making them incredibly weak.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 29 2014 20:13 GMT
#922
On January 30 2014 05:11 TheYango wrote:
I'm not sure how I didn't mention this before, but Drow's skill order should be Arrows>Silence>Aura.

The aura gets the bulk of it's benefit on the 1st rank--subsequent ranks give far less incremental benefit than the longer silence duration. It is a somewhat better farming skill than Silence, but if you were going with a farming build, you wouldn't have maxed Arrows first anyway. It's not really logically consistent to max Arrows first but then max Aura afterward.

S&Y should be situational. I honestly buy it more often than Manta now, since after the various changes to Marksmanship, Drow Illusions don't get ANY of the Agility bonus from Marksmanship, making them incredibly weak.


God, thank you. I really hated looking at this guide and feeling so utterly unsure about it.

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 29 2014 21:18 GMT
#923
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=222265746&

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=222262678

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=222264754

New guides are in. Ratings and feedback appreciated
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
January 29 2014 22:39 GMT
#924
that subtle smeevil brag
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 29 2014 22:49 GMT
#925
He was in my last image as well, I just like him a lot.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 30 2014 07:47 GMT
#926
Phoenix and Terrorblade guides have been updated. Yango will hate me.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
January 30 2014 07:55 GMT
#927
Isn't the starting items for Terrorblade a bit optimistic? He has no regen abilities and really low base HP, going with just a stout and a tango seems like an open invite to boss him out of the safelane immediately. Also, the clarity potion seems a bit unnessecary since his skills have such a low mana cost.

I guess it's situational based on what you might be up against in the lane, but I'm sort of interested in knowing why/when one would go clarity rather than salve on this hero.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 08:39:12
January 30 2014 08:37 GMT
#928
On January 30 2014 16:55 Tobberoth wrote:
Isn't the starting items for Terrorblade a bit optimistic? He has no regen abilities and really low base HP, going with just a stout and a tango seems like an open invite to boss him out of the safelane immediately. Also, the clarity potion seems a bit unnessecary since his skills have such a low mana cost.

I guess it's situational based on what you might be up against in the lane, but I'm sort of interested in knowing why/when one would go clarity rather than salve on this hero.


Changed and fixed.
I chose clarity because his mana pool seemed low initially.

Unfortunately it means losing a branch
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 02 2014 21:01 GMT
#929
strong subscription numbers after 3 days. Very satisfied.
Will compile numbers of total subscribers on Feb. 2.

Feedback always appreciated.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 10:33:17
February 04 2014 09:01 GMT
#930
edit: I fucked up my excel sheet and by mistake moved all the numbers to the left. 5.5 mil was for Dec. 25 not Jan 17

After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445
Average growth of subscribers is 77,066.25 from 65,036.74 in January


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Top 10 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
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Wraith King

Renamed Luxury Items Tab to Daddy's Sword
Added description for Divine Rapier

Medusa

Renamed Luxury Items Tab to Employee Discount
Added description for Divine Rapier
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 04 2014 09:04 GMT
#931
On February 04 2014 18:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 5,567,569 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 3,140,917


Wraith King

Renamed Luxury Items Tab to Daddy's Sword

Not surprising, the amount of content you updated to the new patch in such a short time is very impressive, and since you specifically write it out in the guide name, i'm sure a ton of people started using your guides as the patch hit and yours was the only 6.80 in the list.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 10:42:16
February 04 2014 09:20 GMT
#932
On February 04 2014 18:04 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 18:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
edit: I fucked up my excel sheet and by mistake moved all the numbers to the left. 5.5 mil was for Dec. 25 not Jan 17

After ~15 days (Jan. 17 to Feb. 4), we have risen from 7,154,041 to 8,708,486 combined subscribers

A difference of 1,554,445
Average growth of subscribers is 77,066.25 from 65,036.74 in January

Not surprising, the amount of content you updated to the new patch in such a short time is very impressive, and since you specifically write it out in the guide name, i'm sure a ton of people started using your guides as the patch hit and yours was the only 6.80 in the list.


Thank you very much!

The phoenix guides picked up an initial 30k within days, with the Middle version being at 77k currently and the Lane version has 36k.

Terrorblade was a bit low at the beginning, but has now earned a respectable 31k subscribers.

We're seeing huge jumps in heroes like Drow Ranger (2,000 to 15,547) and Disruptor (16,235 to 30,555).
The anniversary is coming in about 22 days. I will release the full stats from October (that's when I started tracking the data) to now at that time.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
February 04 2014 16:38 GMT
#933
riki guide lacks basher and abyssal

i would put a casual yasha as core and build it either into a sny or a manta. Manta can be nice if you are splitpushing and it also helps in 1v1 fights and gives you another way of getting rid of dusts.

other than that, a gem on riki can be a good pickup to deward sentrys.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 05 2014 08:29 GMT
#934
I never liked Manta on Riki as it never felt like splitpushin was prominent with him in a typical game.

I'll add Gem, basher and abyssal
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
February 05 2014 08:30 GMT
#935
Manta isn't just a splitpushing item. It's particularly nice on riki because it dispels dust.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 12:51:18
February 05 2014 08:32 GMT
#936
Riki

Created Upgrade to Level 2 tab
Created Utility Items tab
Added Gem to Utility Items
Moved Diffusal Blade to Upgrade to Level 2
Added Basher to Extension Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items
Changed Skill Build: W E W E W R Q W E E Q R Q Q
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 08:33:23
February 05 2014 08:33 GMT
#937
On February 05 2014 17:30 Firebolt145 wrote:
Manta isn't just a splitpushing item. It's particularly nice on riki because it dispels dust.


It can be added to Situational Items, but I don't feel it justifies Yasha as core though
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
February 05 2014 09:55 GMT
#938
Yasha is just a solid item on him gives a lot of stats is cheap i almost always get it after diffusal. But you don't have to put it as core, some people would argue that basher is core on him, i get it as 4th or 5th item if at all. Sometimes diffusal is just enough.

As for skill builds i would not get smoke so early, at lvl 5 if you want to be agressive immediatly after you have level 6 but normal i get it at level 7 or 8.

I would do something like 2/3/2/3/2/4/1/2/3/3/4/1/1/1 in normal game.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 05 2014 11:39 GMT
#939
I don't think I'll put it as core because I feel after Diffusal, it really depends on how well or terrible you're doing. I agree on Basher extension, but yeah; some people are satisfied with diffusal. It's a tough call, I used to always get Yasha on him as well and I recently added Yasha to core for Drow Ranger. That's why I'm so conflicted.

Speaking of Diffusal, what do you think of putting it on situational for Terrorblade?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
February 05 2014 11:41 GMT
#940
Inferior compared to other orbs, so no.
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