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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
January 23 2014 23:37 GMT
#841
Juggernaut is really tough. He's arguably the carry with the most versatile "build". And he doesn't even need to carry, he's a very capable mid hero. There are really so many ways to build him, I'm not sure what should be "core" on him. If I were to pick one, I would probably say phase -> drums -> aghanims, I would say that's the most consistent one, probably.
super gg
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
January 24 2014 03:21 GMT
#842
Love the guides. For some reason, some of the guides don't appear in client even though I have subscribed to them. Centaur being the one that comes to mind off the top. Not sure if its just me though.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 24 2014 08:19 GMT
#843
Holy crap, so many responses! I just got to work; so let's go through; huge thanks!
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 24 2014 08:37 GMT
#844
On January 24 2014 00:53 synapse wrote:
I just wanna say for brood, your item choice is almost entirely dependent on the enemy team composition. possibilities include necrobook rush, yasha/basher, old orchid rush, etc. If you were to choose a cookie-cutter build, I think orchid/bkb is still probably pretty good.

I actually think quelling blade is really good to start off with since 1) you can cut down the trees on the jungle side to see any roam/gank incoming and 2) it's very possible to get stuck in trees accidentally at the edge of your web while your web is on cooldown.

Vlads is definitely bad (it always has been) since brood isn't a teamfighter so you're wasting the aura.


Vlads removed
Added Basher, Yasha, Necrobook to Situational Items


On January 24 2014 01:57 synapse wrote:
Tusk -- you probably want phase instead of arcanes, even if you're sidelane and don't get bottle. I think medallion is a core on him. Armlet and shadowblade situational.


Removed Battle Fury
Does your ult still work with Shadowblade? I'll add it to situational if so.

I added Armlet to Situational
I put Medallion on core and moved Drums to Situational
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 24 2014 09:01 GMT
#845
On January 24 2014 02:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 00:53 synapse wrote:
I actually think quelling blade is really good to start off with since 1) you can cut down the trees on the jungle side to see any roam/gank incoming and 2) it's very possible to get stuck in trees accidentally at the edge of your web while your web is on cooldown.

The traditional item start on Brood has been regen + branches + Soul Ring recipe, because having to tie up the courier to send Soul Ring sucks really bad for your mid hero.

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On January 24 2014 01:51 synapse wrote:
Silencer--(as discussed in the silencer hero thread)

E W E Q E R E, then maxing Q and max W last. possible to delay level 2 ult since it adds +100 mana cost for an extra second of silence, which as a poor silencer support is often too costly.

If mid, W E E then the rest is the same. lane silencer can also get W first, it's somewhat preference based.

Core - treads, mek, force staff
Extension - AC, sheepstick
Situational - drum, atos, BKB, shiva, aghs

I personally would put Force Staff under situational. I'd almost always buy it as a support, but as a core Silencer, it's actually not that necessary. Silencer has very respectable Str growth for an Intel hero, so if you really focus on defensive fighting items like Mek+AC, the traditional need for Force Staff as a "positioning" item isn't all that necessary, especially given how long the range of all his spells is.

Orchid and Refresher are also both situational pickups for that hero. Orchid is good in scrappy games where you have Mek but don't really have farm time to save for any of the bigger items, Refresher as a 6th lategame item (not because you can get a 12s Silence, but because with Refresher, you can open fights with Global and not worry about people being able to BKB/Manta it off because you can use the second ulti to re-Silence them).


Fixed his skill build then to: E W E Q E R E Q Q Q R W W W

I've moved to Mekansm to Core
I removed Atos
Force Staff, Refresher, Orchid to Situational Items
Added AC to Extension Items


On January 24 2014 00:56 idonthinksobro wrote:
Venomancer build needs a complete overhaul

skill build
gale/sting/ward/ward/ward/ult
ward/sting/sting/sting/ult
gale/gale/gale/stat/ult

reasons, you need to get your farm mostly by jungling or jungling ancients. At lvl 5 (3wards 1sting) you can already do ancients if you are not needed elsewhere you can farm a fast mek doing ancients. If the enemy team is pushing you have wards to defend it, if you want to push wards is the skill to go. It is also the skill that scales the best for venomancer.

needs either forcestaff (most common) or a blink, almost nobody does shadowblade anymore but it can be done instead of force or blink.
Basilius can be done but is not a must on venomancer, i would never upgrade it to aquila.
Aghs is only situational if you are playing a position 4/5 venomancer it can be hard to get an aghs without buying more important stuff like mek, wards, dust, smoke, tps, upgrade the courier and buy sentrys.
Necro book -> situational
medaillon -> situational (almost every team should have one)



Isn't this a much older build? I prefer this, but I recall this being out of the meta
Changed skill build: Q W E E E R E W W W R Q Q Q

Added Force Staff as Core Item
Basilus to Early Game
Aghs to Extension Items
Necrobook and Medallion added

On January 24 2014 03:16 a slow decay wrote:
Your jugg guide needs drum, vlads and SnY in situational at least.

I don't see jugg often in competitive matches but when I do see him he almost always builds mid-game, cheap to build items and doesn't act as a 1 carry which the Battlefury build is more suited for. You'll often see vlads/drum on him in early game as it compliments his pushing ability.

Also, long time no see Torte de Lini, dunno if you remember me but I was around when you first started working on these guides ^_^


yes (: I have you in the original list of contributors :D

On January 24 2014 12:21 BoZiffer wrote:
Love the guides. For some reason, some of the guides don't appear in client even though I have subscribed to them. Centaur being the one that comes to mind off the top. Not sure if its just me though.


Some guides are not rated high enough. Please go to Steam Community and rate them up!

On January 24 2014 08:37 cecek wrote:
Juggernaut is really tough. He's arguably the carry with the most versatile "build". And he doesn't even need to carry, he's a very capable mid hero. There are really so many ways to build him, I'm not sure what should be "core" on him. If I were to pick one, I would probably say phase -> drums -> aghanims, I would say that's the most consistent one, probably.


I've separated the guide into sections:

Core Items - Pure Carry
Phase, Battlefury, Deso

Core Items - Aghanim's
Phase, Drums, Aghanim's

Situational Items: Black King Bar, S&Y

Extension Items: Butterfly, Abyssal
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 15:17:59
January 24 2014 09:14 GMT
#846
Broodmother
Added Necromonicon to Situational Items
Added Yasha to Situational Items
Added Basher to Situational Items
Removed Vlad's

Tusk
Remove Arcane Boots from Core Items
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items
Moved Drums of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Armlet to Situational Items (to be verified)
Moved Heart to Extension Items

Silencer
New skill build: E W E Q E R E Q Q Q R W W W
Moved Mekansm to Core
Removed Rod of Atos
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Added Refresher to Situational Items
Added Orchid of Malevonce to Situational Items

Venomancer
New skill build: Q W E E E R E W W W R Q Q Q
Added Force Staff to Core Items
Added Ring of Basilius to Early Game
Moved Aghanim's to Extension Items
Added Necromonicon to Situational Items
Added Medallion of Courage to Situational Items

Juggernaut
Created two subsections: Core Items - Pure Carry, Core Items - Aghanim's

Added Desolator to Pure Carry
Added Drums of Endurance to Aghanim's
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Aghanim's
Added Sange & Yasha to Situational Items
Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items


I need a new way to start crediting people, the current system doesn't work :/
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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 09:24:54
January 24 2014 09:23 GMT
#847
On January 24 2014 18:01 Torte de Lini wrote:

Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 12:21 BoZiffer wrote:
Love the guides. For some reason, some of the guides don't appear in client even though I have subscribed to them. Centaur being the one that comes to mind off the top. Not sure if its just me though.


Some guides are not rated high enough. Please go to Steam Community and rate them up!


As a dota newbie I use these guides all the time and the thing that always worked so far for me when I don't see the guide in the list is to set the guide language filter to english. It filters out enough guides to make these move back up in the list when they are not rated high enough.
Romanes eunt domus
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 09:25:56
January 24 2014 09:25 GMT
#848
On January 24 2014 18:23 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 18:01 Torte de Lini wrote:

On January 24 2014 12:21 BoZiffer wrote:
Love the guides. For some reason, some of the guides don't appear in client even though I have subscribed to them. Centaur being the one that comes to mind off the top. Not sure if its just me though.


Some guides are not rated high enough. Please go to Steam Community and rate them up!


As a dota newbie I use these guides all the time and the thing that always worked so far for me when I don't see the guide in the list is to set the guide language filter to english. It filters out enough guides to make these move back up in the list when they are not rated high enough.


Good idea!

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128735861

Here is the Centaur Guide. As you can see, only 68 ratings. So it is quite low.

I'm very happy to hear you use them all the time!
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
January 24 2014 09:26 GMT
#849
I'd say Silencer's build as core should be W E E at the start. You're rarely ever going to use level 1 Last Word due to the teensy damage and ridiculously long cooldown, but that one level in Glaives is gonna vastly increase your lane presence.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 24 2014 09:30 GMT
#850
I really need to play more Silencer, I always lose whenever I random him.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
a slow decay
Profile Joined January 2013
150 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 15:02:30
January 24 2014 14:59 GMT
#851
what last word level 1 is great its like 150 dmg 112 after magic resist for an almost instant cast animation

e: and 3 second disarm which is a lot of auto attacks u can get in uncontested

you're wrong you really want last word level 1, its better defensively and for aggression and the only time i would skill w first if is my lane was completely empty
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 25 2014 11:31 GMT
#852
Completed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 19:01:20
January 26 2014 18:03 GMT
#853
I'll be shifting Void's build, it seems to be outdated as it still suggests Mask of Madness (oh god)
Sven as well, but I'm not sure if Drums to Armlet is just as valid nowadays
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Chaosquo
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany154 Posts
January 26 2014 19:08 GMT
#854
I actually believe MoM is still the correct core item on Void, as with MoM BKB he can jump in, kill a high priority target and get out.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 26 2014 19:16 GMT
#855
I find it to be more situational depending on the line-up and your farm :x
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 26 2014 19:17 GMT
#856
I don't think anything changed with MoM Void. It remains the same risky build that relies on you getting good Chronos and/or your opponents not blowing you up.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 26 2014 19:19 GMT
#857
Terrorblade means I will have to start looking into how Terrorblade is played in recent times, I haven't touched him in a long time.
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Chaosquo
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany154 Posts
January 26 2014 19:57 GMT
#858
On January 27 2014 04:17 SKC wrote:
I don't think anything changed with MoM Void. It remains the same risky build that relies on you getting good Chronos and/or your opponents not blowing you up.


Sure, it depends on the line up, but if they have a stun light lineup, you should go for it. In my experience a well played void that just goes in without hestitation and focuses the right target is very dangerous.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 20:16:33
January 26 2014 20:15 GMT
#859
MoM is good on Void if the enemy doesn't have any strong dots, or very long range nukes. You can't afford to build it against a venomancer or a viper because you'll just die from the poison, for example. Otherwise, it's definitely not bad. By far the most efficient damage item, and helps him farm with the ms and dps increase, lifesteal's also useful to stay full hp in jungle. Mealstorm is probably the safer core item for him overall, tho. Good dps for early chrono kills, good farming and splitpushing. I don't like Battlefury at all on Void. I think it's way too expensive to rush, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even do as much damage as a maelstrom inside chrono despite being more than twice as expensive. The only thing it has going for it is better farming and splitpushing. But for the cost, I don't think it's worth it at all. Bkb in most cases is a must have, usually after the first or second dps item, depending on the game.
super gg
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 27 2014 12:53 GMT
#860
Here is the Faceless Void guide: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128922664

Here is Sven: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=129079469

Both of them feel lackluster for core.
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