EPTIn-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 360
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Pontual
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On November 07 2017 01:01 bdonballer wrote: Consider adding radiance to core viper. Phase boots/dragon lance/radiance. You take the spell lifesteal talent and you are a monster. The nethertoxin magic resist buffs your radiance dmg and you leech off of it. Incredibly hard to kill by any solo hero with miss chance and magic resist. That seems situational rather than core, also i'm not sure if it's worth to build radiance on viper. | ||
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I do agree its not as strong harassing tool as it was before, and its really expensive (40 mana level 1) but against most of the mid heroes u are not going to get a lot out of lvl1 w or lvl1 e. Especially now that PMS is gone, melee mids are not as common as they used to, so lvl1 nethertoxin on the creeps is not as beneficial as it could be. All and all its again one of those situational things u have to consider which way u want go with it, i would stay on lvl1 q atleast for now. | ||
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Spirit Vessel may replace Mek on offlane Undying. Diffusal Blade/Manta isn't core on Faceless Void anymore. Kaya is definitely recommended for Storm Spirit and Zeus as their first core item. A lot of Viper's items are prioritized incorrectly thanks to the rework. Q/E is probably the most unforgiving skill build possible, so I don't know why it's being advocated as standard either. | ||
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On November 10 2017 05:21 CosmicSpiral wrote: Atos probably has to be discarded for Visage. With the Familiar burst damage now obsolete, he doesn't scale well with utility items at all. Nullifier deserves a spot in the Extension category. Spirit Vessel may replace Mek on offlane Undying. Diffusal Blade/Manta isn't core on Faceless Void anymore. Kaya is definitely recommended for Storm Spirit and Zeus as their first core item. A lot of Viper's items are prioritized incorrectly thanks to the rework. Q/E is probably the most unforgiving skill build possible, so I don't know why it's being advocated as standard either. Ok Nullifier. No Atos? I thought it was still good with Familiar stuns. Seems to still be the way. Didn't do FV yet Ddin't do Zeus yet Didn't do Viper yet. | ||
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Will take me another two days to do the rest. Very exhausted. | ||
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Will work on descriptions later. Very tired. All is left to do: 1. Update LiquidDota + Stats sheet Renamed Hero Builds 2. Contact and add Patreon Rewards where applicable 3. Update thank you list + thank Twitch viewers for their support (B. Jacobson) + feedbackers 4. Revive dead builds and change them into duplicates if practical 5. Create announcement post: collage of all changes + hours + prep. posts 5.1 Make comment about new Patreon rewards, Twitch stream and thanking Twitch viewers for their attendance and constant motivational support / Will continue to stream to see where it goes 5.2 Add that you will rewrite all hero descriptions + remove some | ||
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On November 13 2017 11:06 TheWanderingZebra wrote: So have you thought of having the Winter Wyvern guide max Arctic Burn second and get Cold Embrace later? Might be wrong here, but I feel WW is more useful in teamfights when Arctic Burn is on a lower CD. ok ill do it. | ||
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Actual Schedule (CET) Day 1 - 5 hours - 7:30-10:30AM: Setting up Planning Posts + Data Sheet - 10:30-12:30PM: First Impressions Notes (Gameplay + New Heroes) Day 2 - 9 hours - 6:30-10:30AM: Drafting & Publishing Builds for Pangolier & Dark Willow - 4:00-9:00PM: First Impressions Notes (Items + Heroes) Day 3 (across several days) - 6 hours - 11:30-5:30PM: Play-testing Pangolier and Dark Willow guides Day 4 - 1 hour - 8:30-9:30AM: Reading 7.07b patch notes Day 5 - 8.5 hours - 5:00-1:30AM: Draft Changes for all Items, Heroes Skill Builds and Talent Trees up to Legion Commander Day 6 - 11 hours - 11:00-2:00PM: Finalized Talent Trees from Legion Commander to Zeus - 5:00-1:00AM: Applied Skill & Talent Changes to Hero Builds Day 7 - 8 hours - 12:30-2:00PM: Wrote-out changelog for Hero Talent Trees - 5:00-11:30PM: Applied Item Changes to Hero Builds (Aether Lens + Bloodstone) Day 8 - 6 hours - 4:30-10:30PM: Applied Item Changes to Hero Builds (Diffusal Blade + Mango/Starting Items) Day 9 - 6.5 hours - 4:30-10:00PM: Applied Item Changes to Hero Builds (Soul Ring + Poor Man's Shield/Starting Items) Day 10 - 6 hours - 4:30-10:30PM: Finalized Item Changes for all 158 Hero Builds Day 11 - 9 hours - 8:30-12:30PM: Feedback Review, Reviving Dead Builds, Updating Stats + Archives List - 12:30-3:00PM: Respond to new Patrons + Patreon Rewards execution - 4:00-6:30PM: Preparing Official Announcements via Reddit, Patreon, Twitter and Twitch Total Elapsed Time: 70 Hours Total changes made: 1232 approx. changes 158 Guides applied 0 Guides remain unchanged This latest update was made possible thanks to the feedback from the following community members. Sincerest thank you to: B. Jacobson, Ulbrich, wockeez2706, aliflo_, G_Shape, jabso19, NewDark90, wuweidota400, rapozaum, Buckyman, Velzi, Sn0_Man, SerpentineLogic, CosmicSpiral, Pontual, cecek, bdonballer, TheWanderingZebra, Twitch Chat for the kind words and feedback Patreon.com/Torte, heartfelt appreciation and mention goes to these generous monthly Patron campaign supporters. Sincerest thank you to: Alfred Vogl, Cam Connor, Michael Carmody, Simon B, Dylan Lauritsen, Thane Brimhall, Mathew Buhler, Sean McMurray, szymond70, James, Leonardo Lambertini, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, DaChrisse, AE89l4, Firebat4321, Jeroen Koenders, Alan Meng, Jade Wardle, Dice, Vodka, Killataco, Andrew Krigline, Garbarise, Andrew Heckathorn, Demartan, Captain Marvelous, Christian Traeger, Katilyn McDougle, Benjamin Richter, dsrtfx_xx, Michael Kaeser, Lowe Schmidt, Tony Heugh, James Merrill, Guitaringegg, JimmaDaRustla, Daxdiv, Ryan Goss, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Matthew Nami, AD2L, tale, Christopher Garcia, Korbinian, Kevin Janssens, D Kash Money, Swaroop Jegde, Anagh Kumar Baranwal, Jesse Ruth, Luke Mirman, Jose Cacho, Eric Barett, JJ Sigler, Mr Magnificent, Ian Lunderskov, Unfun, Douglas Hitchcock, Kistaro Windrider, Nick Mayo, Paul Martindale, Liam Metzeling, Stefan Chladek, George Azarias, Julian Koniger, Christopher Dickson, S J, Tyler Reid, Hursha, Aaron Bell, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Josh Laseter, Gerald Callow, zyberspace, Kjetil Kultom, Steve, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster | ||
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Vallelol
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Clockwerk - maybe add a roaming/support guide for him, it is very popular these days to not play him on the offlane, a lot of aspects are probably the same, maybe it is even enough to add a note that he fits the roaming support position as well? Vengeful spirit (Core) - I'm very sure maxing W or even E is the way to go on core venge these days. Reference for this would be games by Minseski, CoL and Mid or feed in the past week Viper (Core) - Magic - Shivas guard is at least a situational item on the hero now, it is very useful against attack heavy teams and has great synergy with the toolkit. I also would add that maxing E is the way to go in matchups against other harass heavy heroes like QoP, Zeus, Sniper etc. Hope this helps, thanks for your work! | ||
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On November 13 2017 23:35 Vallelol wrote: Some feedback on heroes I play a lot: Clockwerk - maybe add a roaming/support guide for him, it is very popular these days to not play him on the offlane, a lot of aspects are probably the same, maybe it is even enough to add a note that he fits the roaming support position as well? Vengeful spirit (Core) - I'm very sure maxing W or even E is the way to go on core venge these days. Reference for this would be games by Minseski, CoL and Mid or feed in the past week Viper (Core) - Magic - Shivas guard is at least a situational item on the hero now, it is very useful against attack heavy teams and has great synergy with the toolkit. I also would add that maxing E is the way to go in matchups against other harass heavy heroes like QoP, Zeus, Sniper etc. Hope this helps, thanks for your work!  Not adding any more builds for the foreseeable future.We're seeing three different builds Venge: Max Q, early Max W into E and then we're seeing Max E then W.  : no roomThnaks for your help. | ||
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