EPTListen to Firebolt, I really don't know much about Slardar, I just knew some things were off about your guide.
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Listen to Firebolt, I really don't know much about Slardar, I just knew some things were off about your guide. | ||
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Start with a salve instead of a third branch. Cores and early items are fine. Medallion is fine-ish as ganker but should be mentioned in notes that it should be gotten early (before bkb). After that you've got two extremely expensive items in ganker yet the cheaper and earlier-effective armlet in the carry section when it's more of a ganking item. Desolator also fits in gank since it's quite cheap. Heart and AC should most definitely be in carry as well. Butterfly should not be listed at all since he is a strength hero. Shivas is incredibly situational and I would simply take it out since AC is simply straight up better. Make sure you mention that MKB is mostly only if facing evasion. Satanic deserves a mention, particularly for carry slardar. Bottle and Urn also situationally amazing for ganking slardar, particularly Urn. Skill build is fine yay. | ||
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Its 1 AM here, I'll push through the change and sleep, but yeah; there are a slew of builds that I think will need revising. | ||
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On December 10 2013 06:07 Torte de Lini wrote: IO: Changed skill order: Q W W E W R W E E E R Stats Removed Wand from Early Game Items Added: Sn0_Man as Contributor Slardar: Changed skill order: W Q W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E Removed Quelling Blade Improved Item Build system: Core - Treads/Blink Dagger, Ganker - Medallion/Armlet/BKB/Armlet/Deso/AC, Carry - Armlet/BKB/AC/Heart, Situational Items - Urn of Shadows/Midas/MKB/Heaven's Halberd Added: Whole, TheYango, Firebolt415 as Contributor | ||
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On December 10 2013 08:55 NotYango wrote: Honestly there isn't really a clear divergence in "ganker" and "carry" which is why you're having trouble. It's more a smooth spectrum between increasingly aggressive early ganking items (Blink, Urn), and increasingly greedy farming/damage items (Armlet, Midas). You're putting the divergence at post-BKB, which makes absolutely no sense. ALL the divergence between gank-oriented and farm-oriented builds happen before you get your BKB. By the time you have BKB, they've progressed into more or less the same role. I've changed up the build order. I understand that drawing a clear line between the two roles is quite difficult, so I am fine with overlap. Also wtf username?? | ||
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I also disagree with Firebolt about where Armlet goes. Armlet is a carry item. It's an item meant for personal DPS and farming power, at the cost of an overall later BKB, but higher solo farming and killing power that should result in a faster 3rd item if you develop your tempo well. Midas should be in situational items. | ||
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On December 10 2013 08:56 Torte de Lini wrote: IO: Changed skill order: Q W W E W R W E E E R Stats Removed Wand from Early Game Items Added: Sn0_Man as Contributor Slardar: Changed skill order: W Q W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E Removed Quelling Blade Improved Item Build system: Core - Treads/Blink Dagger, Ganker - Medallion/Armlet/BKB/AC, Carry - Armlet/BKB/AC/Heart, Situational Items - Urn of Shadows/Midas/MKB/Heaven's Halberd Added: Whole, TheYango, Firebolt415 as Contributor Build order revised. Deso only on carry. Midas added. Ganker is Medallion -> Armlet -> BKB -> AC. I feel we're going to meet a lot of differences of opinions with these item builds haha | ||
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Closest "cookie-cutter" item build is going to be Blink->BKB->AC. Phase and Treads are both fine. Situational stuff is usual ganker items like Urn/Drums. After core stuff usually Str defensive items like Heart and Halberd. | ||
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Now I'll have to make two guides. starting items? | ||
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two guides: lane and jungle | ||
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Legion Commander [Lane] Legion Commander released. Looking to really build them properly, but this is a nice start! | ||
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HH is still good for all scenarios not involving Duels. Evasion is still by far the best defensive stat lategame after you have armor and HP, the fact that it's disabled in Duel absolutely does not matter. The only time I wouldn't get HH is if you're crazy rich and can afford to get Butterfly. What's the deal with your LC jungle skipping rank 4 Press the Attack till level 15? Lane LC should still get a point in MoC before level 6. | ||
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On December 14 2013 04:26 NotYango wrote: Don't buy Armlet on LC, HH is still good for all scenarios not involving Duels. Evasion is still by far the best defensive stat lategame after you have armor and HP, the fact that it's disabled in Duel absolutely does not matter. The only time I wouldn't get HH is if you're crazy rich and can afford to get Butterfly. What's the deal with your LC jungle skipping rank 4 Press the Attack till level 15? Lane LC should still get a point in MoC before level 6. No armlet, why? It seems perfect for her for duels and nearly all scenarios, no? I'll readd Heaven's Halberd. I'll fix the skil lbuilds (: | ||
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