In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 330

On August 25 2016 04:59 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why does jungle underlord start with his worst jungling ability that makes no sense at all
or should i say why is underlord "support" guide sub titled jungle. Jungle is the subtitle to an offlane build imo.

I also think Underlord's primary lane should be mid as he literally cannot lose that lane with level 1 E.

On August 25 2016 05:51 Sn0_Man wrote:

"his biggest issue mid is that he has no escape" no thats his biggest issue offlane lolz mid its irrelevant

w pierces bkb (not the damage to my knowledge) but regardless it does 100 flat damage at all levels hows that help do ancients lmao

as support of course you get w then q then w then q never get aura and never jungle thats the point. The role that goes to the jungle is the offlane

On August 25 2016 21:42 Belisarius wrote:
Zeus, shadowfiend, storm and like a billion other iconic mids would like a word. An escape is not suddenly a requirement for the mid lane. It's just a disadvantage to be played around, the same as always.

That said, I don't think you should make a third guide for him, unless you solemnly swear to delete the one with lowest subscribers in 2 months time.

His mid and offlane both build quite similarly. If it were up to me I would rename offlane to core. The only real difference is bottle vs iron talon, and you could probably just stick bottle in situational and call it a day. Maybe starting items too but it's not like you lose the game if you start mango mid.

Either way I still don't think Vlads is core and he should probably have necro somewhere. I don't see much point in octarine. Also raindrops. Maybe consider delaying his ult to like 8 or 9 too.

The support guide needs your normal tab for wards/cour/gem etc. I'm not sold on that skill build, but his early points as a support seem pretty fluid so w/e. Probably depends whether he's afk stacking, duo roaming or sitting in lane making someone's lasthits a misery with atrophy. I'd prefer WQQWQ as default.

As I said before: "I'm holding off on a "mid" guide until there are more concrete results/data and he is being more regularly played/seen/countered."

On August 26 2016 01:51 Velzi wrote:
Pit Lord, pretty sure you dont want to have Core and Jungle mentioned in the same guide, right now it states Core in the main title and in the item subtitle Core Item (Jungle), i would just stick on the Core everywhere and mention in the text you can follow this guide both offlane and mid.

To be clear, i think at this point its safest to have 2 guides, support and core, support meaning you are pos4, getting some farm for ur items (which should focus on having maximum impact in teamfights, with either teamfight items or single target buffs/utility) and core focusing on getting some farming items first then transition into teamfight monster (through spell damage, teamfight utility and disables, not through right click).

Support going Arcanes Wand Urn Drums Force Mek Pipe Solar kinda stuff
Core going Arcanes Wand SR Blink Veil Hex Shivas and so on.

Also level one Pit of Malice seems bad for core, i would rather start off with e if im mid, maybe w if im off.

Keep it simple until we get some more data going on and more people trying stuff.

Ogre, I do agree R>W>E>Q seems better in pro games right now, but i wouldnt count on it working in pubs.

And that whole "escape mechanism" is bullshit, u dont pick hero to mid because he has escape mechanism, rather other way around. U can definitely play hero mid without escape mechanism, u just have to be tiny bit more careful when enemy heroes are missing and lane if pushing, thats it.

So I'm going to re-iterate:



Lastly, stop taking singular points of my arguments to disagree or disapprove. It's not fair and feels like my efforts are going unnoticed to give concurrent viewpoints.

On August 26 2016 01:51 Velzi wrote:
Pit Lord, pretty sure you dont want to have Core and Jungle mentioned in the same guide, right now it states Core in the main title and in the item subtitle Core Item (Jungle), i would just stick on the Core everywhere and mention in the text you can follow this guide both offlane and mid.

On August 26 2016 01:51 Velzi wrote:

To be clear, i think at this point its safest to have 2 guides, support and core, support meaning you are pos4, getting some farm for ur items (which should focus on having maximum impact in teamfights, with either teamfight items or single target buffs/utility) and core focusing on getting some farming items first then transition into teamfight monster (through spell damage, teamfight utility and disables, not through right click)..

On August 26 2016 01:51 Velzi wrote:
Support going Arcanes Wand Urn Drums Force Mek Pipe Solar kinda stuff
Core going Arcanes Wand SR Blink Veil Hex Shivas and so on.

On August 26 2016 01:51 Velzi wrote:
Also level one Pit of Malice seems bad for core, i would rather start off with e if im mid, maybe w if im off.

On August 26 2016 01:51 Velzi wrote:
And that whole "escape mechanism" is bullshit, u dont pick hero to mid because he has escape mechanism, rather other way around. U can definitely play hero mid without escape mechanism, u just have to be tiny bit more careful when enemy heroes are missing and lane if pushing, thats it.