In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 323

On July 04 2016 11:06 Belisarius wrote:
I looked at all three guides.

Prophet has faery fires. If anything, those imply lane over jungle. You only have one prophet guide and it would function for both lane and jungle if you removed jungle from the tab description. You are overusing subtitles in general.

Offlane and roaming are different things. In specific cases they can overlap (for convenience and because you don't want to make a new guide), but you are conflating them much too easily. In 99% of cases, roaming is support.

On July 06 2016 17:26 Velzi wrote:
Honestly the problem right now is the fact that We consider "Offlane" to be solo offlane, not some sort of offlane or/and support kinda role, where as Torte thinks Offlane is sometimes dual lane where Riki serves as a secondary hero, not the main laner.

Still I think we should have support/roam riki, not off/roam riki, if u leave the off tag there, u can be 100% sure offlane rikis will never roam to mid or safelane, but if u have it as a support, u can guarantee roaming SUPPORT riki will roam safelane and mid, even sometimes off if its possible.

And i do agree support/roaming riki can and should buy some core items and transition to relevant right click build if things go well, but its not like u are expecting boots SnY Diffu BKB @30min from roaming riki, u are more like additional unexpected damage from the position 4 hero when u already have 2-3 main cores dealing most of the damage.

NP, Faerie Fires indeed work better in lane than jungle, i'm by no means even good at NP so im not going to say anything about him.

Agreed on Mirana, having mirana as Mid kinda serves as a middle ground for all the current most used lanes (Safe,Mid,Off). Still, starting items are awful tbh, if u are core, u are not going to start off with obs and double tango (wtf), stats+regen is the way to go.

On July 07 2016 03:36 Logo wrote:
Naga Siren Thoughts:

* The links on page 1 are in the wrong order (Support goes to the Core guide)

* Core Naga should probably get Rip Tide at level 1, illusions are pretty useless without Rip Tide. I don't know what level 1 illusions would ever offer over Rip Tide level 1.

* It depends a bit from there, but I think 2-0-3 faster for farming than 3-0-2 isn't it?

* Octarine is probably too late in the list. If you are making the mana boots you should probably be getting the Octarine Core after Boots of Travel or after Manta at the latest. At that point it costs the same to complete as the Manta Style, farms comparably as fast as the Manta (by using the reduced cooldowns) and gives you tanky illusions that aren't easy to clear.

When you skip mana boots the build is more flexible, but if you're dropping the gold on the energy booster you should be taking advantage of that on the earlier side of things, not using it for your 5th or 6th item.

On July 07 2016 08:21 BigO wrote:
Any particular reason why you suggest maxing Riki's E first. I have played a fair amount of Riki and I have pretty much always valued the blink strike over the added damage from his E. Like when you roam and gank with Riki, the added flexibility of having a low cooldown blinkstrike will most of the time make it easier for you to get out alive or secure the kill. There isn't really going to be any difference in your damage output early game (well, except if there somehow is a fairly long fight, which rarely happens).

The lower cooldown invis is pretty much a non factor and is not as reliable as blink strike when trying to escape after a gank. Another thing is, once you hit 6, you can blink strike in, cloud, hit once, ult and then blink strike out and never be in any real danger.

On July 07 2016 16:09 Torte de Lini wrote:


I don't think I have seen anyone ever max Blink Strike over CnD or Smoke. Wouldn't having it maxed severely hinder your mana pool (since you need to smoke).

To add, Riki is initiating with Smoke and gets a Blink Dagger later on: removing the need to use Blink Strike to escape (and if so, you have one point in it early on just in case). With the slow of Smoke (and your OOV), you want to do as much damage as possible with your via CnD bonus damage than Blink Strike that can sap your mana relatively fast.

Blink Strike is maxed second in view of getting Drums to alleviate any mana concerns.

On July 10 2016 22:41 BluemoonSC wrote:


im pretty sure 4 position riki winds up building the same way that any other riki winds up building, albeit slower.

the purpose of picking riki as a roamer is mostly to turn into a strong 4 position with an AOE silence, and eventually, be able to murder supports with blink strike and your ult thanks to a diffusal.

you dont need a blink dagger now that blink strike is on CD and your ult basically lasts until you're ready to blink out to safety.

On July 11 2016 04:04 Torte de Lini wrote:


Blink Strike has a cast-delay that is not an assured escape route (especially if you need to target a near target). You still want to get Blink Dagger for those situations.

On July 11 2016 04:14 BluemoonSC wrote:

on a 4 position, you're gonna find far more use with that 2k gold elsewhere. if anything it is situational.