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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-22 22:18:22
June 22 2016 22:08 GMT
#6421
For PA, I like the Vanguard into Deso build.

But I am also seeing some:
BFury/Helm builds
Armlet/Deso builds
Helm/Basher Builds




Also skill build outdated?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128753951
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 08:33:41
June 23 2016 01:03 GMT
#6422
Not too happy with Sand King Offlane, so I am changing him back to Safe Lane (Support) - Sub Title: Jungle.

Just want to double-check his skill build: Is it max Q/W and then Caustic Finale late or do you get a point in Caustic Finale earlier?!


Note to self: update NP build + remind users to stop asking me to fix it
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 23 2016 09:15 GMT
#6423
u only really get caustic finale early if ur farming lane vs a melee. which only rly happens in offlane or mid. for support, u want burrowstrike lvl 1 for kills, then two points in sandstorm after so u can start farming ur jungle stacks.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-23 15:50:44
June 23 2016 15:49 GMT
#6424
Caustic Finale stacking tricks in the level 4-9 range are very useful but also beyond the scope of the guide. So it's a question of whether the slow is better than an extra level of Burrow Strike, which IMO becomes true once you have a blink dagger.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 23 2016 22:57 GMT
#6425
ok
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 07:19:23
June 24 2016 01:10 GMT
#6426
Kunkka (Core)
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Moved Armlet of Mordiggian to Core Items
Removed Assault Cuirass

Timbersaw
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Hood of Defiance to Situational Items

IO
Removed Animal Courier
Removed Observer Wards x2
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Iron Branch

Wraith King
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Lifestealer (Core)
Lifestealer (Jungle)
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Timbersaw
New Skill Build: E W E Q E R W W W Q R Q Q E R (1. Timber Chain 2. Whirling Death 3. Reactive Armor).
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Ursa (Core)
New Skill Build: E Q W E W R E E W W R Q Q Q R (1. Fury Swipes 2. Overpower 3. Earthshock)

Centaur Warrunner
Moved Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items

Pudge
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Removed Wind Lace

Razor
New Skill Build: W Q W Q Q E Q R W W R E E E (1. Plasma Field 2.Static Link 3. Unstable Current)
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Situational Items
Removed Ring of Aquila

Crystal Maiden
New Skill Build: W E E Q Q Q Q R E E R W W W R (1. Crystal Nova 2. Arcane Aura 3. Frostbite)
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Slardar
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Sniper (Core - Safe Lane)
Sniper (Core - Middle)
Added Mask of Madness to Situational Items
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Butterfly

Terrorblade
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Boots of Travel - Level 2 to "Luxury Items"
Moved Daedalus to "Luxury Items"
Moved Butterfly to "Luxury Items"
Moved Satanic to "Luxury Items"
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Butterfly

Brewmaster (Core)
New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Thunder Clap 2. Drunken Brawler 3. Drunken Haze)

Drow Ranger
New Skill Build: E Q E W E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Precision Aura 2. Gust 3. Frost Arrows)
Added Yasha to Core Items
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Removed Shadow Blade

Witch Doctor
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Paralyzing Cask 2. Maledict 3. Voodoo Restoration)
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Refresher Orb

Shadow Fiend
Added Manta Style to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Helm of the Dominator

Puck
Added Null Talisman to Core Items
Added Veil of Discord to Core Items
Removed Magic Wand

Faceless Void
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W (1. Time Walk 2. Time Lock 3. Time Dilation
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 1 to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Iron Talon

Silencer (Core)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom)
Added Null Talisman to Early Game
Added Veil of Discord to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade

Sand King
New Skill Build: Q WW Q W Q W Q R E R E E E R (1. Sand Storm 2. Burrowstrike 3. Caustic Finale)
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Animal Courier
Removed Observer Ward
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Wind Lace

Renamed Offlane
Abaddon
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Sange and Yasha to Situational Items
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Animal Courier
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 24 2016 01:49 GMT
#6427


New Bug. Can't do shit again.
Makes me so fucking mad, I don't even know why I update these builds any fucking more.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 09:23:26
June 25 2016 07:30 GMT
#6428
ed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 07:25:14
June 26 2016 07:18 GMT
#6429
After ~15 days (June 10 to June 25), we have risen from 146,321,029 to 149,455,017 combined subscriptions

A difference of 3,133,988
Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,009,831.20
Growth Percentage is 2.14%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Beastmaster (Jungle) (266,477)
  2. Brewmaster (Core) (233,976)
  3. Warlock (Core) (127,910)
  4. Shadow Shaman (Core) (99,511)
  5. Invoker (Quas/Wex) (895)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Sven (previously rank 2)
  2. Lifestealer (Jungle) (previously rank 1)
  3. Phantom Lancer
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Bounty Hunter


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Sven (1,971,232 -> 2,032,700)
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (1,980,463 -> 2,020,143)
  • Phantom Assassin (1,629,264 -> 1,669,444)
    Wraith King (1,105,684 -> 1,141,471)
    Legion Commander (Jungle) (997,050 -> 1,027,532)
    Kunkka (Core) (986,201 -> 1,017,920)
  • Windranger (Core) (817,176 -> 867,776)
  • Alchemist (Core) (541,585 -> 582,193)
  • Lifestealer (Core) (523,655 -> 567,603)


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Alfred Vogl, Pearson Mewbourne, Scott MacDonald, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Mikey Kaminski, Dice, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Startracker, Joseph Casey, Freeze ray, LordofTurtles, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kitaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Patrick Colton, Daniel Thackray, Tobias Iskov Thomsen, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, Leonardo Lambertini, tale, Joel Absolom, Jason Davis, Dan Shaw, Josh Miller, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, Slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster, Alli Goss

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-06-26 07:31:54
    June 26 2016 07:19 GMT
    #6430
      This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Belisarius, ahswtini, Logo, Birdie, BobMcJohnson, BluemoonSC, Nevuk, Reonordo, Buckyman, kblueriver, Sn0_Man, Velzi, tehh4ck3r


    • The Hero Builds project officially hits 1 million mean average
    • 15.49% of last month's unique players [13,122,647] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Sven Guide

    • Sven (2,032,700)
    • Lifestealer (Jungle) (2,020,143) recently hit the 2 million mark

    • Legion Commander (Jungle) (1,027,532)
    • Kunkka (Core) (1,017,920) recently hit the 1 million mark

    • Six guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: (989,360). (978,680), (971,080), (963,511), (962,028), (960,165)
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    TheWanderingZebra
    Profile Joined November 2015
    United States16 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-07-04 09:17:49
    June 29 2016 15:51 GMT
    #6431
    Feels like Riki is really more of a Position 4 support like a teamfight version of Bounty Hunter. Seen a lot of Pos 4 Riki's going for Tranquil and urn for some sustain while roaming and setting up kills. Diffusal seems to be the only damage item he needs.

    And what could he do in the offlane? Afk soak xp?

    Edit: Also seen smoke maxed first.

    Edit 2: I was wrong, skill build is fine as is.
    "There are no gods to save us, there is only ourselves now."
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-07-05 20:35:54
    July 03 2016 09:23 GMT
    #6432
    Leshrac (Core)
    New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm)

    Mirana
    Added Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
    Added Dagon - Level 5 to Extension Items
    Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
    Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
    Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items
    Removed Mjollnir

    Huskar
    New Skill Build: W E W Q W R W E E E Q Q Q R R (1. Burning Spear 2. Berserker's Blood 3. Inner Vitality)
    Added Wind Lace to Starting Items
    Added Magic Wand to Core Items
    Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
    Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
    Removed Monkey King Bar

    Treant Protector
    Created New Tab: "Early Game"
    Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
    Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
    Added Iron Talon to "Early Game"
    Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items
    Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
    Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
    Removed Clarity
    Removed Iron Branch x2
    Removed Refresher Orb

    Phantom Assassin
    New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Stifling Dagger 2. Blur 3. Phantom Strike)
    Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
    Added Vanguard to Core Items
    Added Satanic to Extension Items
    Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
    Removed Quelling Blade
    Removed Boots of Speed

    Outworld Devourer
    New Skill Build: W E Q Q E R E Q Q E R W W W R (1. Arcane Orb 2. Essence Aura 3. Astral Imprisonment)
    Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items
    Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
    Removed Dragon Lance

    Nature's Prophet
    Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
    Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
    Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items
    Moved Shadow Blade to Core Items
    Moved Maelstrom to Core Items
    Moved Desolator to Situational Items
    Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items
    Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
    Removed Clarity
    Removed Orchid of Malevolence

    Renamed Middle
    Mirana

    Renamed Offlane
    Riki
    New Skill Build: E Q W E E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Blink Strike 3. Smoke Screen)
    Created New Tab: "Early Game"
    Added Clarity to Starting Items
    Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
    Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
    Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
    Added Wind Lace to "Early Game"
    Added Phase Boots to Core Items
    Added Magic Wand to Core Items
    Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items
    Added Observer Ward to Utility Items
    Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items
    Added Smoke of Deceit to Utility Items
    Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
    Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
    Added Butterfly to Extension Items
    Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
    Removed Tango
    Removed Stout Shield
    Removed Poor Man's Shield
    Removed Power Treads
    Removed Ring of Aquila
    Removed Infused Raindrop
    Removed Desolator
    Removed Daedalus



    Notes: 6.87 + 6.88

    + Show Spoiler +
    Competitive Matches
    Manila Majors ~30 days ago
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2410966933 - Phase/Urn/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2411603661 - Phase/Urn/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2418319460 - Tranq/NA/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2419483371 - Phase/NA/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2420586461 - Tranq/Midas/Core/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2423222858 - Tranq/NA/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2425646897 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2426001580 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2428372192 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2430618706 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke

    ESL Frankfurt ~15 days ago
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2442244100 - Treads/Vlad's/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2442540306 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2444509429 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2444663195 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2444881470 - Tranq/NA/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2447190474 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2447365661 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2448310164 - Phase/Drums/Core/Max CnD

    The International ~5 days ago
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2464976921 - Tranq/Midas/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2465127321 - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2465530478 - Tranq/Midas/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2466075858 - Phase/Drums/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2466394822 - Tranq/NA/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2466903757 - Treads/Drums/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2467484798 - Phase/NA/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2467649043 - Treads/NA/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2467763435 - Phase/Drums/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2468846659 - Phase/Drums/Core/Max CnD

    Total:
    Phase: 8, Tranq: 17
    Urn: 12, Drums: 5
    Core: 5, Supp: 20
    Smoke: 16, CnD: 12

    Public Matches
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/124390073/matches?hero=riki - Treads/NA/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/316950419/matches?hero=riki - Tranq/NA/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/126503029/matches?hero=riki - Treads/Yasha/Supp/Max Blink Strike
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/102689086/matches?hero=riki - Treads/NA/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/43191774/matches?hero=riki - Phase/NA/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/116585378/matches?hero=riki - Phase/Drum/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/89249333/matches?hero=riki - Phase/NA/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/4281729/matches?hero=riki - Tranq/NA/Core/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/246237085/matches?hero=riki - Treads/NA/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/111114687/matches?hero=riki - Tranq/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/131043881/matches?hero=riki - Phase/Urn/Supp/Max Smoke
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/25907144/matches?hero=riki - Phase/Drum/Supp/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/86723143/matches?hero=riki - Tranq/NA/Core/Max CnD
    http://www.dotabuff.com/players/89598554/matches?hero=riki - Phase/NA/Core/Max CnD

    Total:
    Phase: 6, Tranq: 4
    Urn: 12, Drums: 2
    Core: 2, Supp: 20
    Smoke: 3, CnD: 10
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    Thetwinmasters
    Profile Joined January 2015
    3578 Posts
    July 03 2016 21:36 GMT
    #6433
    Riki isn't a offlane hero
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    July 03 2016 21:37 GMT
    #6434
    Read the guide. I'm not clarifying Riki again.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-07-04 00:40:31
    July 04 2016 00:35 GMT
    #6435
    I'm not sure that's a very helpful position.

    I've explained why I personally think offlane riki is an acceptable compromise, but the more people tell you it isn't, the more likely they're right and you should listen.

    Mirana is actually even more schizophrenic. She's titled offlane, described as gank/roam, and builds RoA aghs which is really a core progression.

    Prophet is much better now, although his core should just be "core" and not "core (jungle)".
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-07-04 01:05:36
    July 04 2016 00:59 GMT
    #6436
    Riki is Roaming. It says so in the sub-title.

    Mirana is Offlane. The description says that she is a roaming/ganker and that is still accurate, especially with how Offlane is played recently. Ring of Aquila does not entirely dictate if a hero is "Core" or not regardless.

    Nature's Prophet is Jungling. His Starting Items are specifically made with Jungling in mind.



    These are all still accurate and I am noticing I'm getting feedback based on glance from the changes rather than looking a the build.
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    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-07-04 02:28:49
    July 04 2016 02:06 GMT
    #6437
    I looked at all three guides.

    Prophet has faery fires. If anything, those imply lane over jungle. You only have one prophet guide and it would function for both lane and jungle if you removed jungle from the tab description. You are overusing subtitles in general.

    Offlane and roaming are different things. In specific cases they can overlap (for convenience and because you don't want to make a new guide), but you are conflating them much too easily. In 99% of cases, roaming is support.
    Thetwinmasters
    Profile Joined January 2015
    3578 Posts
    July 04 2016 03:38 GMT
    #6438
    riki should be support and mirana should be mid also np should be lane but if you want a jungle build you have the wrong starting items
    Buckyman
    Profile Joined May 2014
    1364 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-07-04 07:39:26
    July 04 2016 07:35 GMT
    #6439
    In a lower-pub game, if a Riki came to my lane as a support with level 1 Cloak, I'd abandon lane and go jungle as soon as I could scrape together a Talon. The expected case is that they can't harass effectively and leave me to take all the counter-harass, so I'm in a 1v2 lane with half XP.

    On the other hand, whenever I take Riki offlane I invariably end up roaming full time before 6 while my 'support' borrows the lane, but that requires leveling Smoke Cloud over Cloak.
    Belisarius
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    Last Edited: 2016-07-04 10:24:13
    July 04 2016 10:22 GMT
    #6440
    On July 04 2016 16:35 Buckyman wrote:
    In a lower-pub game, if a Riki came to my lane as a support with level 1 Cloak, I'd abandon lane and go jungle as soon as I could scrape together a Talon. The expected case is that they can't harass effectively and leave me to take all the counter-harass, so I'm in a 1v2 lane with half XP.

    On the other hand, whenever I take Riki offlane I invariably end up roaming full time before 6 while my 'support' borrows the lane, but that requires leveling Smoke Cloud over Cloak.

    ...that's why it's called "roaming". If someone takes a roaming build and doesn't roam, that's no different to some other support coming and contesting lasthits or a jungler deciding to leech safelane XP or whatever. A guide can't account for every stupid thing that people might do and it's futile to try.

    Also if you're roaming you absolutely take lv1 cloak so idk what you're talking about smoke for.
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