In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 322

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Germany38463 Posts

June 22 2016 22:08 GMT

#6421

For PA, I like the Vanguard into Deso build.

But I am also seeing some:
BFury/Helm builds
Armlet/Deso builds
Helm/Basher Builds

Also skill build outdated?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128753951

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Germany38463 Posts

June 23 2016 01:03 GMT

#6422

Not too happy with Sand King Offlane, so I am changing him back to Safe Lane (Support) - Sub Title: Jungle.

Just want to double-check his skill build: Is it max Q/W and then Caustic Finale late or do you get a point in Caustic Finale earlier?!

Note to self: update NP build + remind users to stop asking me to fix it

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

June 23 2016 09:15 GMT

#6423

u only really get caustic finale early if ur farming lane vs a melee. which only rly happens in offlane or mid. for support, u want burrowstrike lvl 1 for kills, then two points in sandstorm after so u can start farming ur jungle stacks.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

June 23 2016 15:49 GMT

#6424

Caustic Finale stacking tricks in the level 4-9 range are very useful but also beyond the scope of the guide. So it's a question of whether the slow is better than an extra level of Burrow Strike, which IMO becomes true once you have a blink dagger.

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Germany38463 Posts

June 23 2016 22:57 GMT

#6425

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Germany38463 Posts

June 24 2016 01:10 GMT

#6426

Kunkka (Core)
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Moved Armlet of Mordiggian to Core Items
Removed Assault Cuirass

Timbersaw
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Hood of Defiance to Situational Items

IO
Removed Animal Courier
Removed Observer Wards x2
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Iron Branch

Wraith King
Added Desolator to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Lifestealer (Core)

Lifestealer (Jungle)
Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Timbersaw
New Skill Build: E W E Q E R W W W Q R Q Q E R (1. Timber Chain 2. Whirling Death 3. Reactive Armor).
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Ursa (Core)
New Skill Build: E Q W E W R E E W W R Q Q Q R (1. Fury Swipes 2. Overpower 3. Earthshock)

Centaur Warrunner
Moved Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items

Pudge
Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Removed Aghanim's Scepter
Removed Wind Lace

Razor
New Skill Build: W Q W Q Q E Q R W W R E E E (1. Plasma Field 2.Static Link 3. Unstable Current)
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Situational Items
Removed Ring of Aquila

Crystal Maiden
New Skill Build: W E E Q Q Q Q R E E R W W W R (1. Crystal Nova 2. Arcane Aura 3. Frostbite)
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Slardar
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Sniper (Core - Safe Lane)

Sniper (Core - Middle)
Added Mask of Madness to Situational Items
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Butterfly

Terrorblade
Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Dragon Lance to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Boots of Travel - Level 2 to "Luxury Items"
Moved Daedalus to "Luxury Items"
Moved Butterfly to "Luxury Items"
Moved Satanic to "Luxury Items"
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Butterfly

Brewmaster (Core)
New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Thunder Clap 2. Drunken Brawler 3. Drunken Haze)

Drow Ranger
New Skill Build: E Q E W E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Precision Aura 2. Gust 3. Frost Arrows)
Added Yasha to Core Items
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Removed Shadow Blade

Witch Doctor
New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Paralyzing Cask 2. Maledict 3. Voodoo Restoration)
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Extension Items
Removed Refresher Orb

Shadow Fiend
Added Manta Style to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Core Items
Removed Helm of the Dominator

Puck
Added Null Talisman to Core Items
Added Veil of Discord to Core Items
Removed Magic Wand

Faceless Void
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W (1. Time Walk 2. Time Lock 3. Time Dilation
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Quelling Blade to Early Game
Added Echo Sabre to Situational Items
Moved Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 1 to Extension Items
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Iron Talon

Silencer (Core)
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Arcane Curse 2. Last Word 3. Glaives of Wisdom)
Added Null Talisman to Early Game
Added Veil of Discord to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Removed Shadow Blade

Sand King
New Skill Build: Q WW Q W Q W Q R E R E E E R (1. Sand Storm 2. Burrowstrike 3. Caustic Finale)
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Removed Animal Courier
Removed Observer Ward
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Enchanted Mango
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Wind Lace

Renamed Offlane
Abaddon
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Sange and Yasha to Situational Items
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Animal Courier

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Germany38463 Posts

June 24 2016 01:49 GMT

#6427

New Bug. Can't do shit again.
Makes me so fucking mad, I don't even know why I update these builds any fucking more.

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Germany38463 Posts

June 25 2016 07:30 GMT

#6428

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Germany38463 Posts

June 26 2016 07:18 GMT

#6429

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Germany38463 Posts

June 26 2016 07:19 GMT

#6430

Belisarius, ahswtini, Logo, Birdie, BobMcJohnson, BluemoonSC, Nevuk, Reonordo, Buckyman, kblueriver, Sn0_Man, Velzi, tehh4ck3r

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TheWanderingZebra

United States16 Posts

June 29 2016 15:51 GMT

#6431

Feels like Riki is really more of a Position 4 support like a teamfight version of Bounty Hunter. Seen a lot of Pos 4 Riki's going for Tranquil and urn for some sustain while roaming and setting up kills. Diffusal seems to be the only damage item he needs.

And what could he do in the offlane? Afk soak xp?

Edit: ~~Also seen smoke maxed first.~~

Edit 2: I was wrong, skill build is fine as is.

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Germany38463 Posts

July 03 2016 09:23 GMT

#6432

Leshrac (Core)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm)

Mirana
Added Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
Added Dagon - Level 5 to Extension Items
Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items
Removed Mjollnir

Huskar
New Skill Build: W E W Q W R W E E E Q Q Q R R (1. Burning Spear 2. Berserker's Blood 3. Inner Vitality)
Added Wind Lace to Starting Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Treant Protector
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Stout Shield to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Iron Talon to "Early Game"
Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items
Added Blade Mail to Situational Items
Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Refresher Orb

Phantom Assassin
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Stifling Dagger 2. Blur 3. Phantom Strike)
Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items
Added Vanguard to Core Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Removed Quelling Blade
Removed Boots of Speed

Outworld Devourer
New Skill Build: W E Q Q E R E Q Q E R W W W R (1. Arcane Orb 2. Essence Aura 3. Astral Imprisonment)
Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Removed Dragon Lance

Nature's Prophet
Added Iron Branch to Starting Items
Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items
Moved Shadow Blade to Core Items
Moved Maelstrom to Core Items
Moved Desolator to Situational Items
Moved Hand of Midas to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Orchid of Malevolence

Renamed Middle

Mirana

Renamed Offlane

Riki
New Skill Build: E Q W E E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Cloak and Dagger 2. Blink Strike 3. Smoke Screen)
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
Added Wind Lace to "Early Game"
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items
Added Observer Ward to Utility Items
Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items
Added Smoke of Deceit to Utility Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Tango
Removed Stout Shield
Removed Poor Man's Shield
Removed Power Treads
Removed Ring of Aquila
Removed Infused Raindrop
Removed Desolator
Removed Daedalus

Notes: 6.87 + 6.88

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Thetwinmasters

3578 Posts

July 03 2016 21:36 GMT

#6433

Riki isn't a offlane hero

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Germany38463 Posts

July 03 2016 21:37 GMT

#6434

Read the guide. I'm not clarifying Riki again.

Belisarius

Australia6231 Posts

July 04 2016 00:35 GMT

#6435

I'm not sure that's a very helpful position.

I've explained why I personally think offlane riki is an acceptable compromise, but the more people tell you it isn't, the more likely they're right and you should listen.

Mirana is actually even more schizophrenic. She's titled offlane, described as gank/roam, and builds RoA aghs which is really a core progression.

Prophet is much better now, although his core should just be "core" and not "core (jungle)".

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Germany38463 Posts

July 04 2016 00:59 GMT

#6436

Riki is Roaming. It says so in the sub-title.

Mirana is Offlane. The description says that she is a roaming/ganker and that is still accurate, especially with how Offlane is played recently. Ring of Aquila does not entirely dictate if a hero is "Core" or not regardless.

Nature's Prophet is Jungling. His Starting Items are specifically made with Jungling in mind.

These are all still accurate and I am noticing I'm getting feedback based on glance from the changes rather than looking a the build.

Belisarius

Australia6231 Posts

July 04 2016 02:06 GMT

#6437

I looked at all three guides.

Prophet has faery fires. If anything, those imply lane over jungle. You only have one prophet guide and it would function for both lane and jungle if you removed jungle from the tab description. You are overusing subtitles in general.

Offlane and roaming are different things. In specific cases they can overlap (for convenience and because you don't want to make a new guide), but you are conflating them much too easily. In 99% of cases, roaming is support.

Thetwinmasters

3578 Posts

July 04 2016 03:38 GMT

#6438

riki should be support and mirana should be mid also np should be lane but if you want a jungle build you have the wrong starting items

Buckyman

1364 Posts

July 04 2016 07:35 GMT

#6439

In a lower-pub game, if a Riki came to my lane as a support with level 1 Cloak, I'd abandon lane and go jungle as soon as I could scrape together a Talon. The expected case is that they can't harass effectively and leave me to take all the counter-harass, so I'm in a 1v2 lane with half XP.

On the other hand, whenever I take Riki offlane I invariably end up roaming full time before 6 while my 'support' borrows the lane, but that requires leveling Smoke Cloud over Cloak.

Belisarius

Australia6231 Posts

July 04 2016 10:22 GMT

#6440

On July 04 2016 16:35 Buckyman wrote:
In a lower-pub game, if a Riki came to my lane as a support with level 1 Cloak, I'd abandon lane and go jungle as soon as I could scrape together a Talon. The expected case is that they can't harass effectively and leave me to take all the counter-harass, so I'm in a 1v2 lane with half XP.

On the other hand, whenever I take Riki offlane I invariably end up roaming full time before 6 while my 'support' borrows the lane, but that requires leveling Smoke Cloud over Cloak.

...that's why it's called "roaming". If someone takes a roaming build and doesn't roam, that's no different to some other support coming and contesting lasthits or a jungler deciding to leech safelane XP or whatever. A guide can't account for every stupid thing that people might do and it's futile to try.

Also if you're roaming you absolutely take lv1 cloak so idk what you're talking about smoke for.

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