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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 03:56:59
June 04 2016 00:46 GMT
#6241
To-Do
Arc Warden (Middle) - Starting Core Lane Items
Earth Spirit (Lane) - Offlane Starting Items
Enchantress - Offlane Starting Items
Keeper of the Light - Offlane Starting Items
Magnus - Offlane Starting Items
Nature's Prophet - Offlane Starting Items
Necrophos - Middle Starting Items
Pudge - Roam Starting Items
Weaver (Lane) - Offlane Starting Items
Beastmaster (Lane) - Offlane + Middle Starting Items

CONSIDER CHANGING REDUNDANT GUIDES TO DUPLICATE GUIDES





Once that is done, I will go through the list and correct any guides that were mislabeled and update starting/core item builds that could be multi-laned.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2016 02:07 GMT
#6242
On June 04 2016 09:20 BluemoonSC wrote:
OK, so I cannot comment on the new arc warden as I have not gotten the opportunity to play him yet. same with oracle in the recent patch.

--------------------

Nyx - you don't need to go for the dagon and in fact I don't think dagon is particularly useful when you compare things like an aether, blink, agha, or force.

instead of converting to a dagon build, nyx mid should probably aim for a quick aghanims or a quick blink. i like the mobility of a blink, but other people would prefer being able to stun from a screen away sooner rather than later. anyway, look at the impact a non-dagon build had in the bracket you're aiming for. specifically check out that AM's item choices at around 11 minutes. he clearly sold them but...

the key here is being useful apart from zapping ppl. i dont like the cost or buildup of dagon unless you're super DUPER ahead and clowning around. i pooped on the mid lina (9cs @10 and i had 22 denies all in prolly the first 5 minutes bc i roamed after.

TLDR: your levels, mobility, and ability to be a nuisance is far more valuable than a dagon will provide. your goal as a mid nyx is to hit 6 quick and make everyone miserable. if you can gather a massive gold lead in hte meantime, go dagon as situational. if not, quick arcane -> agha -> blink/aether is perfect

------------------------

mid sky plays similar to zeus. arcanes, veil (no aether bc he gets more from INT than straight mana and veil gives much needed stats), bloodstone for sustain (too good to pass up), defensive item (likely a bkb), extension items (shivas, sheep, atos, travels).

situational euls/force/blink bc he's pretty speedy, but you may need to worry about certain heroes getting the better of you since you're squishy

------------------------

i'll have to think about the support naga a bit. whats wrong with making a core build?


we'll test Nyx Dagon again, there is some use out of it and it was suggested in recent past.

I'll update Skywrath Core

Already have a Naga Core


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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 04 2016 02:26 GMT
#6243
yeah there's definitely some use for a dagon and its a little bit of opinion when i say it, but I think agha is of greater value than a dagon
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 02:27:21
June 04 2016 02:26 GMT
#6244
On June 04 2016 11:26 BluemoonSC wrote:
yeah there's definitely some use for a dagon and its a little bit of opinion when i say it, but I think agha is of greater value than a dagon


Already in the support build

(and in the extension section of the dagon build)




two builds left
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 03:41:49
June 04 2016 03:31 GMT
#6245
it has a place in both. in the support build, it receives less priority than, say, an aether or a force.

mid, you can farm it up faster.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 03:50:06
June 04 2016 03:49 GMT
#6246
Arc Warden is updated. Just gotta do Support

and then the whole thing will finally be up to date.
This took too many days and hours, I am exhausted
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:37:30
June 04 2016 04:21 GMT
#6247
Having a "dagon" build doesn't make sense.

One nyx should be support, with wards/cour/sents etc building aether into blink with no dagon anywhere and like ghost/euls etc in extension.

The other nyx should be offlane or core, building aether/blink/aghs with dagon situatonal and bigger things like octarine/sheep/shivas in extension.


Core oracle looks fine to me, although I don't think he has an aghs upgrade?

Arc warden who knows. Probably just put a wards etc tab on one, name it support and call it a day.

Core sky probably starts null, wants blink, and should have stuff like bloodstone/sheep/oct in extension. I have no idea why he's getting treads so definitely ditch that.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:29:00
June 04 2016 04:28 GMT
#6248
On June 04 2016 13:21 Belisarius wrote:
Having a "dagon" build doesn't make sense.

One nyx should be support, with wards/cour/sents etc building aether into blink with no dagon anywhere and like ghost/euls etc in extension.

The other nyx should be offlane or core, building aether/blink/aghs with dagon situatonal and bigger things like octarine/sheep/shivas in extension.


You were the one specifically suggesting Dagon - Nyx (Middle) despite my concerns.

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/the-tavern/453377-in-game-standard-hero-builds-140-million-subscriptions?page=291#5811

"You have a spare guide and core nyx is distinct from support nyx. Core Nyx considers dagon, considers midas, has a reasonable chance of reaching aghs+aether+octarine.

In addition, adding a mid tab to a support guide is schizophrenic and I would strongly advise against doing this, for any guide."


With TheYango's agreement:

On March 15 2016 03:07 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
This is another guide I dislike personally as well because users end up getting Dagon too late.

This is already true of a ton of other heroes though. Your QoP guide has Agha first item and that suffers from the same "item is significantly worse if the player falls behind and misses the timing" problem. That doesn't make the build "wrong".

If a build not being robust to being behind and getting an item late was a reason to dislike a build then half your guides have this problem.

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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:37:45
June 04 2016 04:36 GMT
#6249
i think a better choice of words by Belisarius would have been 1 way to avoid this confusion lol

i think that both yango and him weren't very clear with what they would want from a mid nyx build as "core" or "extension" in those terms specifically..leading us to here lol
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
June 04 2016 04:38 GMT
#6250
I mean you don't label it "dagon".

It's a core build. Core nyx sometimes builds dagon, but that doesn't make him "dagon nyx". He's core nyx.

I fully agree with having a core nyx build.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2016 04:40 GMT
#6251
Here is the Core build: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128932114

We can make it an offlane or Core build. Just tell me which and the itemization and it'll be done.
I'm doing Arc Warden Support now and then I will be done.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:45:31
June 04 2016 04:44 GMT
#6252
Probably core? He's kind of both.

Starting: PMS tangoes? idk I think ffire is overrated in pubs but maybe i'm just old fashioned.

Either that or tango salve stout mango and PMS from sideshop.

Core: arcanes aether blink aghs
Situational: dagon urn ghost euls force (maybe midas)
Extension: oct sheep eblade dagon5

Bottle in either situational or core.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:48:43
June 04 2016 04:45 GMT
#6253
arcanes

aether blink agha (order depends on preference and the game, but this is probably best overall for a guide..maybe blink aether, but someone else can comment on that bc im biased towards a quick blink dagger on most heroes that want to pick it up)

extension (shivas, octarine, sheep, ethereal)

situational (dagon, euls, e: force)

i think thats it? anyone wanna add?

(theres already a support guide, this is core he is asking about)

oh and for mid, i tend to like mana burn first. ppl rushing bottles tend to take nuke spells and lack right click to out last hit you. take away their ability to last hit by removing 1 or 2 nukes and you've delayed their bottle by a creep wave or two. lowbies hate him.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
June 04 2016 04:48 GMT
#6254
Yeah some combination of the above. Depends how crowded you want it.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2016 04:48 GMT
#6255
On June 04 2016 13:44 Belisarius wrote:
Probably core? He's kind of both.

Starting: PMS tangoes? idk I think ffire is overrated in pubs but maybe i'm just old fashioned.

Either that or tango salve stout mango and PMS from sideshop.

Core: arcanes aether blink aghs
Situational: dagon urn ghost euls force (maybe midas)
Extension: oct sheep eblade dagon5

Bottle in either situational or core.



ok on Tango

This is a Middle build, we can change to offlane

ok on core
ok on Situational
will make alterations to extension
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:50:03
June 04 2016 04:49 GMT
#6256
i think we agree on most everything here. PMS tango is my preferred mid lane starting items on the hero.

hey torte, check out support nyx in the liquid vs alliance game
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 04:54:44
June 04 2016 04:54 GMT
#6257
On June 04 2016 13:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
i think we agree on most everything here. PMS tango is my preferred mid lane starting items on the hero.

hey torte, check out support nyx in the liquid vs alliance game



Here is Nyx Support

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=251982939

I believe it is up-to-date.

I'm about to go to bed, been doing these updates for a literal 10+ hour

(or 2 seasons+ of a show)
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 20:32:21
June 04 2016 05:03 GMT
#6258
Transition of the Hero Builds Title Classification System

Renamed Core
Abaddon
Alchemist (Middle)
Alchemist (Lane)
New Core Build: E W W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed)

Ancient Apparition (Middle)
Anti-Mage
Arc Warden (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Flux 2. Spark Wraith 3. Magnetic Field)
Added Wraith Band to Starting Items
Added Manta Style to Core Items
Added Diffusal Blade to Core Items
Added Satanic to Extension Items
Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Ring of Protection
Removed Clarity
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3

Axe (Lane)
Bloodseeker (Middle)
New Skill Build: W Q E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Shadow Blade to Core Items
Added Silver Edge to Extension Items
Removed Skull Basher

Bloodseeker (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Boots of Speed to Early Game
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Healing Salve
Removed Skull Basher

Brewmaster (Middle)
Chaos Knight
Clinkz
Death Prophet
Dragon Knight (Lane)
Dragon Knight (Middle)
Drow Ranger
Earth Spirit (Middle)
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Moved Orb of Venom to Starting Items

Elder Titan (Middle)
Ember Spirit (Lane)
Ember Spirit (Middle)
Gyrocopter (Lane)
Gyrocopter (Middle)
Kunkka (Lane)
New Skill Build: W Q W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Tidebringer 2. X Marks the Spot 3. Torrent)
Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Extension Items
Removed Boots of Travel

Huskar
Invoker (Quas/Exort)
Invoker (Quas/Wex)
Juggernaut
Legion Commander (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Press The Attack 3. Moment of Courage)
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Desolator to Extension Items
Removed Satanic

Leshrac (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm)
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items
Added Aether Lens to Situational Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Circlet of Nobility
Removed Aghanim's Scepter

Lifestealer (Lane)
Lina (Middle)
Luna
Lone Druid (Lane)
Lycan (Lane)
Magnus
Medusa
Meepo
Added Bottle to Core Items
Added Iron Talon to Core Items
Added Boots of Travel to Core Items
Removed Power Treads
Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2

Morphling
Naga Siren (Lane)
New Skill Build:
Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game
Added Arcane Boots to Early Game
Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items
Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items
Moved Manta Style to Core Items
Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items
Removed Wraith Band

Necrophos
Night Stalker
Nyx Assassin (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Impale 2. Mana Burn 3. Spiked Carapace)
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items
Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items
Added Ethereal Blade to Extension Items
Added Octarine Core to Extension Items
Added Dagon - Level 5 to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items
Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items
Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Magic Wand
Removed Lotus Orb

Oracle (Middle)
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Wind Lace to Starting Items
Added Clairty to Starting Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items
Removed Null Talisman
Removed Bottle

Outworld Devourer
Phantom Assassin
Phantom Lancer
Puck
Pudge
Pugna
Queen of Pain
Razor
Riki
Silencer (Middle)
Skywrath Mage (Middle)
Added Null Talisman to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Bloodstone to Extension Items
Added Black King Bar to Situational Items
Moved Rod of Atos to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Force Staff to Situational Items
Removed Clarity
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Faerie Fire
Removed Urn of Shadows
Removed Power Treads

Slark (Lane)
Slark (Middle)
Shadow Fiend
Added Healing Salve to Core Items
Added Ring of Aquila to Core Items
Added Helm of the Dominator to Core Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Moved Bottle to Situational Items
Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Sniper (Lane)
Sniper (Middle)
Spectre
Storm Spirit
Sven
Terrorblade
Tinker
Tiny (Lane)
Tiny (Middle)
New Skill Build: Q W Q WW Q R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Toss 2. Avalanche 3. Craggy Exterior)
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Moved Quelling Blade to Situational Items
Removed Wind Lace

Troll Warlord (Middle)
Troll Warlord (Lane)
Ursa (Lane)
Viper
Warlock (Middle)
Weaver (Lane)
Weaver (Middle)
Windranger (Lane)
Wraith King
Zeus


Renamed Support
Ancient Apparition (Lane)
Arc Warden (Middle)
Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Core Items
Added Aether Lens to Core Items
Added Observer Ward to Utility Items
Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items
Added Smoke of Deceit to Utility Items
Added Dust of Appearance to Utility Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items
Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items
Added Force Staff to Extension Items
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items
Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items
Added Dagon - Level 5 to Extension Items
Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Removed Faerie Fire x2
Removed Bottle
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Necromonicon - Level 3
Removed Desolator
Removed Diffusal Blade - Level 2
Removed Black King Bar
Removed Daedalus
Removed Mjollnir

Bane
Bounty Hunter
New Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shuriken Toss 2. Shadow Walk 3. Jinada)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Created New Tab: "Situational Items"
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Pipe of Insight to "Situational Items"
Added Heaven's Halberd to "Situational Items"
Added Linken's Sphere to "Situational Items"
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to "Situational Items"
Moved Lotus Orb to "Situational Items"
Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Removed Iron Branch x2
Removed Stout Shield
Removed Tango
Removed Clarity
Removed Animal Courier
Remove Phase Boots
Removed Bottle
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Diffusal Blade - Level 2
Removed Sange & Yasha
Removed Desolator
Removed Abyssal Blade
Removed Monkey King Bar
Removed Black King Bar

Crystal Maiden
Dazzle
Disruptor
Earthshaker
Earth Spirit (Lane)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Core Items
Added Flying Courier to "Utility Items"
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items
Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items
Removed Orb of Venom
Removed Enchanted Mango

IO
Jakiro
Keeper of the Light
New Skill Build: W E E W E Q Q Q Q R W W E R R (1. Illuminate 2. Mana Leak 3. Chakra Magic)

Kunkka (Middle)
Lich
Lion
Leshrac (Lane)
New Skill Build: Q E Q W W R W W Q Q R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm
Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items
Moved Aether Lens to Core Items
Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items

Lina (Lane)
Naga Siren (Middle)
New Skill Build:
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Animal Courier to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items
Added Healing Salve to Starting Items
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Arcane Boots to Core Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items
Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items
Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items
Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items
Added Solar Crest to Extension Items
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items
Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items
Added Flying Courier to "Utility Items"
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Removed Quelling Blade
Removed Stout Shield
Removed Bottle
Removed Ring of Aquila
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Power Treads
Removed Diffusal Blade
Removed Radiance
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Yasha
Removed Town Portal Scroll
Removed Manta Style
Removed Heart of Tarrasque
Removed Butterfly
Removed Octarine Core

Nyx Assassin (Lane)
Ogre Magi
Omniknight
Oracle (Lane)
Phoenix (Lane)
Rubick
Sand King
New Skill Build: Q W W Q W Q Q W R E R E E E R (1. Burrowstrike 2. Sand Storm 3. Caustic Finale)
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Flying Courier to "Utility Items"
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items"
Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items"
Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"
Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items"
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items
Moved Force Staff to Core Items
Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items

Shadow Demon
Shadow Shaman (Lane)
Techies
Treant Protector
Tusk
Vengeful Spirit
Venomancer
Visage
Warlock (Lane)
Winter Wyvern
Witch Doctor


Renamed Offlane
Batrider
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Boots of Speed to Starting Items
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items"
Moved Bottle to Situational Items
Removed Faerie Fire x2
Removed Iron Branch x2

Brewmaster (Lane)
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Removed Enchanted Mango

Bristleback
Broodmother
Created New Tab: "Utility Items"
Added Observer Ward to Utility Items
Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items
Added Dust of Appearance to Utility Items
Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items

Centaur Warrunner
Clockwerk
Dark Seer
Doom (Lane)
Earth Spirit (Lane)
Faceless Void
Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items
Added Manta Style to Extension Items
Moved Diffusal Blade to Core Items
Moved Infused Raindrop to Situational Items
Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Refresher Orb
Removed Monkey King Bar

Mirana
Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items
Moved Desolator to Situational Items
Moved Manta Style to Extension Items

Spirit Breaker
Tidehunter
Added Mekansm to Core Items
Added Force Staff to Extension Items

Timbersaw
Undying


Renamed Jungle
Bloodseeker (Jungle)
New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite)
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Removed Power Treads
Removed Skull Basher

Chen
Doom (Jungle)
Enchantress
Added Wind Lace to Situational Items
Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items
Removed Drums of Endurance
Removed Force Staff

Enigma
New Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W E Q Q R E E E R (1. Demonic Conversion 2. Malefice 3. Midnight Pulse)

Lifestealer (Jungle)
Legion Commander (Middle)
New Skill Build: E W E Q Q R Q Q W E R E W W R (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Moment of Courage 3. Press The Attack)
Added Quelling Blade to Starting Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items
Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items
Moved Desolator to Extension Items
Removed Bottle
Removed Satanic

Lone Druid (Jungle)
Lycan (Jungle)
Nature's Prophet
Ursa (Jungle)




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To-Do
Arc Warden (Middle) - Starting Core Lane Items
Earth Spirit (Lane) - Offlane Starting Items
Enchantress - Offlane Starting Items
Keeper of the Light - Offlane Starting Items
Magnus - Offlane Starting Items
Nature's Prophet - Offlane Starting Items
Necrophos - Middle Starting Items
Pudge - Roam Starting Items
Weaver (Lane) - Offlane Starting Items
Beastmaster (Lane) - Offlane + Middle Starting Items

CONSIDER CHANGING REDUNDANT GUIDES TO DUPLICATE GUIDES
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-04 05:39:14
June 04 2016 05:38 GMT
#6259
Nice work.

Hey rightclick BH is dead. Extra nice work.

I think sky definitely wants veil if you're going bloodstone. It gives him precisely eleventy billion damage.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 04 2016 06:20 GMT
#6260
Yeah I mentiones that above. What do you think about the other suggestions for the mid build?
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