In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project - Page 313

On June 04 2016 09:20 BluemoonSC wrote:
OK, so I cannot comment on the new arc warden as I have not gotten the opportunity to play him yet. same with oracle in the recent patch.

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Nyx - you don't need to go for the dagon and in fact I don't think dagon is particularly useful when you compare things like an aether, blink, agha, or force.

instead of converting to a dagon build, nyx mid should probably aim for a quick aghanims or a quick blink. i like the mobility of a blink, but other people would prefer being able to stun from a screen away sooner rather than later. anyway, look at the impact a non-dagon build had in the bracket you're aiming for. specifically check out that AM's item choices at around 11 minutes. he clearly sold them but...

the key here is being useful apart from zapping ppl. i dont like the cost or buildup of dagon unless you're super DUPER ahead and clowning around. i pooped on the mid lina (9cs @10 and i had 22 denies all in prolly the first 5 minutes bc i roamed after.

TLDR: your levels, mobility, and ability to be a nuisance is far more valuable than a dagon will provide. your goal as a mid nyx is to hit 6 quick and make everyone miserable. if you can gather a massive gold lead in hte meantime, go dagon as situational. if not, quick arcane -> agha -> blink/aether is perfect

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mid sky plays similar to zeus. arcanes, veil (no aether bc he gets more from INT than straight mana and veil gives much needed stats), bloodstone for sustain (too good to pass up), defensive item (likely a bkb), extension items (shivas, sheep, atos, travels).

situational euls/force/blink bc he's pretty speedy, but you may need to worry about certain heroes getting the better of you since you're squishy

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i'll have to think about the support naga a bit. whats wrong with making a core build?

On June 04 2016 11:26 BluemoonSC wrote:
yeah there's definitely some use for a dagon and its a little bit of opinion when i say it, but I think agha is of greater value than a dagon

On June 04 2016 13:21 Belisarius wrote:
Having a "dagon" build doesn't make sense.

One nyx should be support, with wards/cour/sents etc building aether into blink with no dagon anywhere and like ghost/euls etc in extension.

The other nyx should be offlane or core, building aether/blink/aghs with dagon situatonal and bigger things like octarine/sheep/shivas in extension.

On March 15 2016 03:07 TheYango wrote:

This is already true of a ton of other heroes though. Your QoP guide has Agha first item and that suffers from the same "item is significantly worse if the player falls behind and misses the timing" problem. That doesn't make the build "wrong".

If a build not being robust to being behind and getting an item late was a reason to dislike a build then half your guides have this problem.

On June 04 2016 13:44 Belisarius wrote:
Probably core? He's kind of both.

Starting: PMS tangoes? idk I think ffire is overrated in pubs but maybe i'm just old fashioned.

Either that or tango salve stout mango and PMS from sideshop.

Core: arcanes aether blink aghs
Situational: dagon urn ghost euls force (maybe midas)
Extension: oct sheep eblade dagon5

Bottle in either situational or core.

On June 04 2016 13:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
i think we agree on most everything here. PMS tango is my preferred mid lane starting items on the hero.

hey torte, check out support nyx in the liquid vs alliance game