EPTEspecially if the other items are in view of Aether Lens (Atos + Euls ++)
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Especially if the other items are in view of Aether Lens (Atos + Euls ++) | ||
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To me bloodstone is a bit questionable. Zeus can use bloodstone to farm or fight, but sky doesn't flashfarm well at all so it's a lot less effective on him. I think he's better going veil>blink/atos with like euls etc as defensive. He doesn't scale all that well so he needs to be very active. I think you get aether if you aren't going bloodstone, since they both build from your boots. I wouldn't build arcanes again just to get it. idk core sky is kind of cheesy at the best of times. | ||
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I referenced Akke's build. The Core build is seldom used. | ||
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No other item combination will give dmg and sustain in quite the same manner. | ||
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On June 04 2016 22:52 BluemoonSC wrote: Veil is superior bc skywrath benefits from the int (arcane bolt!) over mana. Veil bloodstone is ideal. No other item combination will give dmg and sustain in quite the same manner. Atos into Bloodstone http://www.dotabuff.com/players/42989814/matches?hero=skywrath-mage a combination of Atos, Aether Lens + Veil. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/29110522/matches?hero=skywrath-mage Atos, Bloodstone, Eul's Scepter + Aether Lens I think Veil is fine where it is. I checked the replay: it is Atos -> Aether Lens -> BoT -> Eul's. I prefer that build as well, so I will adjust. | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:30 Erasme wrote: support skywrath doesn't get mana boots but rushes veil. its not support. | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:40 Erasme wrote: Then update your support skywrath. Walk in uninformed, get corrected then make demands. I'm not interested in your help if that is your approach. | ||
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But sure why wouldnt you take the words of low 5k or 4ks instead of mine lmao | ||
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On June 05 2016 02:49 Erasme wrote: Afaik mid skywrath should rush veil too. But sure why wouldnt you take the words of low 5k or 4ks instead of mine lmao 1. Because they aren't rude in their feedback or make demands 2. Because they don't use their MMR to justify their arguments 3. Because they don't disregard all of the previous conversation 4. Because they explain their suggestions so that it makes sense for everyone (including me) 5. Because they have dedicated a year+ in help and feedback that has been consistently useful If I want the opinion of higher MMR, there are tools available to gather it, that doesn't make yours more of value than others. Someone with presumably lower MMR said the same thing as you, but explained their suggestion. | ||
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Support - the most recent match was Veil, but I will continue looking. But I am not sure if it is consistently bought. I don't acknowledge suggestions given with the wrong attitude or tone. I get private messages from 6k-7k players who think their word is gospel or above everyone else's. Either they don't want to communicate their feedback publicly or want a private line with me where I just do what they say. That isn't what this project is and condescension is disliked. | ||
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I'm pretty sure if i had the time i would correct all of your builds but lets be honest, its not worth the time. Especially since you don't value my advices On June 05 2016 07:28 Torte de Lini wrote: For Core - Skywrath. I do not see Veil consistently being bought first (see previous posts) Support - the most recent match was Veil, but I will continue looking. But I am not sure if it is consistently bought. I don't acknowledge suggestions given with the wrong attitude or tone. I get private messages from 6k-7k players who think their word is gospel or above everyone else's. Either they don't want to communicate their feedback publicly or want a private line with me where I just do what they say. That isn't what this project is and condescension is disliked. You are simply wrong. | ||
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On June 05 2016 11:31 Erasme wrote: Ya i dont see where i was a dick but if you don't put veil as core in any skywrath build then your builds are shit. Like LMAO sure take the advices of 4ks players instead of mine I'm pretty sure if i had the time i would correct all of your builds but lets be honest, its not worth the time. Especially since you don't value my advices You are simply wrong. You still come across as an arrogant dick m8ey | ||
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On June 05 2016 11:31 Erasme wrote: Ya i dont see where i was a dick but if you don't put veil as core in any skywrath build then your builds are shit. Like LMAO sure take the advices of 4ks players instead of mine I'm pretty sure if i had the time i would correct all of your builds but lets be honest, its not worth the time. Especially since you don't value my advices You are simply wrong. Nice temper tantrum. When you can learn to be civil instead of being a childish person, maybe then will people acknowledge what you have to say instead of your outbursts you're making for being called out on your terrible attitude. Right or wrong, the project has done fine for over 3 years and has never declined in any form. I think it'll be fine without your unwanted and unhelpful presence. Your feedback is literally the same as everyone that you're needlessly putting down, you're just too busy projecting your frustration to read. | ||
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and to be fair, that is frustrating considering he is better than I. and the fact that there are 3 knowledgeable people (1 being more knowledgeable than the rest) saying you should put veil in the build...you should probably rush that veil lol also - i would NEVER use slahser's builds in any of your guides. all due respect to slahser, but your target audience is not capable. atos Skywrath is fine. its just that your target audience (and this CURRENT patch), veil is much better than when slahser made his video almost 2 years ago. dota is a completely different game. | ||
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you cannot possibly equate pro player farm, with 5 kills in the midlane before 10 minutes to your target audience's farm. please consider that when you're adjusting your guides. | ||
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On June 05 2016 12:47 BluemoonSC wrote: wanna comment on the game that you watched. you cannot possibly equate pro player farm, with 5 kills in the midlane before 10 minutes to your target audience's farm. please consider that when you're adjusting your guides. Core build is adjusted appropriately. On June 05 2016 12:40 BluemoonSC wrote: to be fair to erasme (though he sometimes doesnt deserve it) he knows he's agreeing with us. he just doesn't realize that his form of critique is off-putting and he cares too much if he's not acknowledged or listened to. and to be fair, that is frustrating considering he is better than I. and the fact that there are 3 knowledgeable people (1 being more knowledgeable than the rest) saying you should put veil in the build...you should probably rush that veil lol also - i would NEVER use slahser's builds in any of your guides. all due respect to slahser, but your target audience is not capable. atos Skywrath is fine. its just that your target audience (and this CURRENT patch), veil is much better than when slahser made his video almost 2 years ago. dota is a completely different game. I'm no longer interested or acknowledging Erasme's future posts. Everyone is better than me, how much better from each other is irrelevant when it comes to suggestions. In the end, you all have to work with me (as unfortunate and frustrating as that can be sometimes). Egotistical it seems, that's the truth of the matter and I rarely make such authoritative statements, but I don't tolerate or enable that sort of behavior, frustrated or not. I never use Slahser videos in my builds. I am well-aware of his unorthodox plays. I am just showing several points of view that suggest Bloodstone be a part of the Skywrath - Core build. It's already updated: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=286895078. This is the build as it currently stands. Nowhere near Slahser's video or Akke's play, so I am not sure why it is still a point of subject right now. Here are the builds I am seeing right now: Support - Skywrath: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2337627115 - Boots + Null http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2338518261 - Arcane + Meka http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2338823961 - Tranq + Veil http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2340813766 - Arcane + Veil http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2352938620 - Arcane + Meka http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2270853865 - Arcane + Urn http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2263278120 - Boots http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2247054693/builds - Arcane + Veil http://www.dotabuff.com/players/86750028/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Veil + Arcane + Force Staff http://www.dotabuff.com/players/131043881/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Treads + Atos + Eul's http://www.dotabuff.com/players/114559048/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Treads + Veil Summary: Veil is seeing more use, but it is not a clear case as stated before - hence I will look into it Core - Skywrath: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/135726105/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Majority Bloodstone/Force Staff/ Eul's/Atos http://www.dotabuff.com/players/158256651/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Blink/Atos/Eul's/Arcane http://www.dotabuff.com/players/29110522/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Atos/Bloodstone/Eul's /Aether Lens http://www.dotabuff.com/players/86700461/matches?hero=skywrath-mage - Atos + Aether Lens + Blink + Eul's Summary: Veil is not bought on Core - Skywrath Mage players at the higher level -- that's including a limit of two months of competitive matches (nothing too outdated) + higher level public matches + anecdotal experience watching replays and live public matches of today (and tomorrow) On June 05 2016 03:01 Torte de Lini wrote: 1. Because they aren't rude in their feedback or make demands 2. Because they don't use their MMR to justify their arguments 3. Because they don't disregard all of the previous conversation 4. Because they explain their suggestions so that it makes sense for everyone (including me) 5. Because they have dedicated a year+ in help and feedback that has been consistently useful If I want the opinion of higher MMR, there are tools available to gather it, that doesn't make yours more of value than others. Someone with presumably lower MMR said the same thing as you, but explained their suggestion. Going to re-emphasize this statement. | ||
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