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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Bash vs charge is the age-old question. If you search Yango's posts he has an essay somewhere. Basically they both have situations where they're better, but the extra charge speed is really valuable in pubs to respond to random junk that goes down. Drums is pretty trash on everyone now. Maybe keeping it situational is ok, for both heroes. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 08 2016 11:12 Belisarius wrote: I agree sblade is good but I don't know that it's core. I just think BKB and aghs are more generally applicable. Bash vs charge is the age-old question. If you search Yango's posts he has an essay somewhere. Basically they both have situations where they're better, but the extra charge speed is really valuable in pubs to respond to random junk that goes down. Drums is pretty trash on everyone now. Maybe keeping it situational is ok, for both heroes. The BKB -> Aghs build is almost never bought. Urn into Shadow Blade is still good and there is no reason you can't get Aghs later. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/117005046/matches?hero=spirit-breaker He gets BKB really late. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
I do agree on Shadowblade, it should be there but whether its core or situational, both fine. I would go Treads over Phase, seems safer option, also Veil seems really popular right now with the Spirit Siphon change to magical. Eul's is still good, keep that. I would leave Drums in the situational, its still a good pick up if u struggle. After all DP is all about getting HP, Armor, MS and Immunity (BKB Ghost Eul), focus on those before anything else. Im pretty sure there was discussion about lvl1 mana leak earlier, how good the skill is but there are still no lvls in it before lvl9? Honestly i would rather see lvls in w than q just because pub kotls always think its their job to spam illuminate on lane creeps to push the lane rather than actually doing something useful. Most popular build is still start with w and max e>q after that. WQEEEREQQQ.... something like that. | ||
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On June 08 2016 15:21 Velzi wrote: I cant imagine maxing bash over charge with SB purely because 17% is actually 17% for me, not 83% like it is for some people.. I do agree on Shadowblade, it should be there but whether its core or situational, both fine. I would go Treads over Phase, seems safer option, also Veil seems really popular right now with the Spirit Siphon change to magical. Eul's is still good, keep that. I would leave Drums in the situational, its still a good pick up if u struggle. After all DP is all about getting HP, Armor, MS and Immunity (BKB Ghost Eul), focus on those before anything else. Im pretty sure there was discussion about lvl1 mana leak earlier, how good the skill is but there are still no lvls in it before lvl9? Honestly i would rather see lvls in w than q just because pub kotls always think its their job to spam illuminate on lane creeps to push the lane rather than actually doing something useful. Most popular build is still start with w and max e>q after that. WQEEEREQQQ.... something like that. - done - I opted for Phase since we get Eul's even later than usual - that is what the skill build is. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/30ce63a96dc9f032e24694a10bb81f11.png) This is the build i see. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Aliens. | ||
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United States7542 Posts
On June 08 2016 15:21 Velzi wrote: I cant imagine maxing bash over charge with SB purely because 17% is actually 17% for me, not 83% like it is for some people.. I do agree on Shadowblade, it should be there but whether its core or situational, both fine. I would go Treads over Phase, seems safer option, also Veil seems really popular right now with the Spirit Siphon change to magical. Eul's is still good, keep that. I would leave Drums in the situational, its still a good pick up if u struggle. After all DP is all about getting HP, Armor, MS and Immunity (BKB Ghost Eul), focus on those before anything else. Im pretty sure there was discussion about lvl1 mana leak earlier, how good the skill is but there are still no lvls in it before lvl9? Honestly i would rather see lvls in w than q just because pub kotls always think its their job to spam illuminate on lane creeps to push the lane rather than actually doing something useful. Most popular build is still start with w and max e>q after that. WQEEEREQQQ.... something like that. The thing is if you pick up Veil on DP it does everything that Drums does for DP and more (except the move speed) and getting both is pretty silly because you're really delaying your Eul's and slotting yourself out very early. Situational is probably still fine, but I don't think personally I'd ever make it. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Now your role is basically to mana leak their whole team and giff mana to all your teammates. I think like... 2 points in illuminate is probably good. The reason people buy veil on DP is because it works with spirit siphon which makes you heal more too. Combined with the too-good buildup (double null in lane is fabulous etc) and the ability to 1-shot ranged creeps with veil on them for most of the game, it's not hard to see why pros buy it although there are arguments against it. In any case its STRICTLY better than drums for a only mildly higher investment and a better buildup (traditionally one of drum's key selling points) | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
Drums is basicly middle ground of both survivability in terms of EHP and MS, if u need both quickly, drums is fine, if u can live with the fact that u get only one of them now and other 5-10min later, then sure, go ahead and skip drums. E: Also take in account the active component of Veil vs. Drums Aura, they are kinda even in paper but situationally one beats the other by quite a big margin | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Competitive Matches: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2421177492/builds - Power Treads/Veil First/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2420952614/builds - Phase Boots/Rod of Atos/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2420649625/builds - Power Treads/Eul's Scepter of Divinity/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2420586461/builds - Power Treads/Eul's/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2420526669/builds - Phase Boots/(Wind Lace)/Veil/Max Crypt Swarm http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2419236363/builds - Power Treads/Veil/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2419012929/builds - Phase Boots/Veil/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2418854718/builds - Power Treads/Veil/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2418415538/builds - Power Treads/Veil/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2411940567/builds - Veil/Max Crypt Swarm/Boots of Travel Public Matches: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/121600528/matches?hero=death-prophet - Phase Boots/Eul's/Max Crypt Swarm http://www.dotabuff.com/players/31818853/matches?hero=death-prophet - Phase Boots/Eul's/Max Siphon http://www.dotabuff.com/players/118760604/matches?hero=death-prophet - Phase Boots/Veil/Max Crypt Swarm Questions: 1. Do we max Crypt Swarm or Siphon first 2. Do we get Eul's or Veil first 3. Do we get Power Treads or Phase Boots My weak understanding is that you get Power Treads + Veil and max Siphon to compensate for the difference in movement speed (higher levels of Siphon, means bigger slow + Veil amplified damage) Competitive Matches: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2419012929/builds - Max Illuminate/Dual Offlane http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2408596812/builds - 3 Points Illuminate/Dual Offlane Both builds don't level Mana Leak until lvl8 Public Matches: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/130322850/matches?hero=keeper-of-the-light - Max Illuminate http://www.dotabuff.com/players/25559123/matches?hero=keeper-of-the-light - Max Chakra Magic http://www.dotabuff.com/players/85752398/matches?hero=keeper-of-the-light - Max Chakra Magic http://www.dotabuff.com/players/250083/matches?hero=keeper-of-the-light - Max Illuminate http://www.dotabuff.com/players/18322503/matches?hero=keeper-of-the-light - Max Illuminate http://www.dotabuff.com/players/100448239/matches?hero=keeper-of-the-light - Max Illuminate Questions: 1. Switch the build to be Offlane instead of Support 2. Illuminate to Level 3 then max Mana Leak (Level 8+) 3. Tranqs -> Mekansm -> Aghs (Core Items) 4. Early Point in Mana Leak? I think the issue is that if you get an early point in Mana Leak, there is no guarantee in your line-up to take advantage of the enemy staying still to dish some damage, making an early point a potential wasted. To add, you're then only getting a point in Chakra Magic which isn't that amazing. I think players are still maxing Illuminate for the flash-farm to wipe out enemy pull camps and stack their own even if it is less damage. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
Both competitive KOTLs were played in lane for the bullying purpose, not for the killing potential. Also both games KOTL against a lane where enemy core had way to get rid of mana leak / get away without losing mana. Jugger Spin and AM Blink. Pub KOTLs had both lvl 1 illuminate and lvl 1 mana leak with mixed results. E: where comes the idea of switching KOTL to offlane? u literally cant play this hero solo offlane. E2: Early point in mana leak forces ur opponent, preferably melee, to either lose their mana or get harassed down if they stand still, U most certainly want atleast one point in mana leak early on. Also no one is suggesting 4-1-1-1, thats stupid, chakra magic should be maxed out first in almost any situation. Whether u get 2-3 points in illuminate during early game should be game dependent. | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On June 08 2016 16:20 Torte de Lini wrote: That's strange. Should be a point in W before 4. ya I suggested that point in mana leak like 100 pages back..i still think it should probably be before lvl 4, honestly  ------------- SB lothar is definitely a great pub build because no one knows how to ward properly at the level for which the guides are made..it should see lots of success. but I don't pick it up first item since you'll benefit more from the urn + blademail earlier on IMO blademail is terrific because it solves your armor problem and makes it hard for enemy heroes to fight back without hurting themselves in the process. urn is also an obvious choice because you should be gaining (and spending) charges as you continue to gank. agha on SB is not really a worthwhile build and I've only experienced success with it on accident (I built it as a joke because my team was losing severely and wound up salvaging a team fight with a good charge, not related to itemization at all). it's CD is just long enough where you probably won't get to use it twice in a team fight and the AOE isn't really a selling point. for all intents and purposes in a guide, charge should be maxed first like belasarius suggested. drums is garbo tier on core heroes. --------------- phase on DP is correct because it gives you mobility to stay out of pain range, but still maintain your soul siphon. euls is definitely core. veil is the up and coming 1st item, but it makes sense. she's super squishy early on and the build up is very natural. like sn0 said, double null tali is great for laning. skill build is questionable, but I tend to like max soul siphon because the ability is just so good and leaving it at lvl 1 is pointless IMO. 2-1-4-1 at lvl 8 is fine especially if you're opting for the current itemization including veil. | ||
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 -> Delay Ult til 8/9 + Eul's after Tranqs + VeilAghs to Extension Items  -> Check if Hurricane Pike in Extension Items -> inspect validity of Diffusal -> Blink -> S&Y build -> Push Aghs to Extension? + Hurricane Pike Core or Force Staff? | ||
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Added another Null Talisman after Bottle Replace Phase with Power Treads and max Siphon (4/0/2). There aren't many people going phase + Veil and I guess they're opting for more tankiness over the maneuverability of Phase Boots (which the straight damage is wasted on DP). With Siphon'd maxed. You can slow opponents hard enough to compensate the delayed Eul's and use Veil to get more damage. Thus more tankiness and end-game goals over short-term value of speed from Phase (later compensated with Eul's anyways). E Q W E E Q Q Q R W W W E R R (1. Illuminate 2. Mana Leak 3. Chakra Magic) Basically, early Chakra Magic levels for the early game. Illuminate for the mid-game flash-farm and then Mana Leak maxing late-game. Move Eul's Scepter to Situational Items Removing Rod of Atos I adjusted his item build: Phase -> Dragon Lance -> Maelstrom -> BKB Manta is in Extension Items + Hurricane Pike Not sure if to include Helm of the Dominator Delayed ultimate to 8 Not sure if to remove Ring of Aquila Added Veil to Core Items Pushed Aghanims to Extension Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items | ||
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Renamed Core Abaddon  Alchemist (Middle) Alchemist (Lane)New Core Build: E W W Q W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed) Ancient Apparition (Middle)  Anti-MageArc Warden (Lane) New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Flux 2. Spark Wraith 3. Magnetic Field) Added Wraith Band to Starting Items Added Manta Style to Core Items Added Diffusal Blade to Core Items Added Satanic to Extension Items Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Healing Salve Removed Ring of Protection Removed Clarity Removed Boots of Speed Removed Necromonicon - Level 3  Axe (Lane) Bloodseeker (Middle)New Skill Build: W Q E E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite) Added Shadow Blade to Core Items Added Silver Edge to Extension Items Removed Skull Basher Bloodseeker (Lane)New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W Q Q R W W W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite) Added Boots of Speed to Early Game Removed Magic Wand Removed Healing Salve Removed Skull Basher  Brewmaster (Middle)Chaos Knight  ClinkzDeath Prophet Added Null Talisman to Core Items Added Power Treads to Core Items Added Veil of Discord to Core Items Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Mekansm to Situational Items Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Aether Lens to Situational Items Removed Rod of Atos Removed Phase Boots Dragon Knight (Lane) Dragon Knight (Middle) Drow Ranger Earth Spirit (Middle) Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Orb of Venom to Starting Items Elder Titan (Middle) Ember Spirit (Lane) Ember Spirit (Middle)  Gyrocopter (Lane) Gyrocopter (Middle) Kunkka (Lane)New Skill Build: W Q W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Tidebringer 2. X Marks the Spot 3. Torrent) Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items Added Tango to Starting Items Added Armlet of Mordiggan to Extension Items Removed Boots of Travel  Huskar Invoker (Quas/Exort) Invoker (Quas/Wex) JuggernautLegion Commander (Lane) New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Press The Attack 3. Moment of Courage) Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Desolator to Extension Items Removed Satanic  Leshrac (Middle)New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm) Added Null Talisman to Starting Items Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items Added Aether Lens to Situational Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Circlet of Nobility Removed Aghanim's Scepter  Lifestealer (Lane) Lina (Middle) LunaLone Druid (Lane) Lycan (Lane)  Magnus Medusa MeepoAdded Bottle to Core Items Added Iron Talon to Core Items Added Boots of Travel to Core Items Removed Power Treads Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2  MorphlingNaga Siren (Lane) New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Mirror Image 2. Rip Tide 3. Ensnare) Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game Added Arcane Boots to Early Game Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items Moved Manta Style to Core Items Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items Removed Wraith Band Necrophos Night Stalker Nyx Assassin (Middle) New Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Impale 2. Mana Burn 3. Spiked Carapace) Added Tango to Starting Items Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Added Ethereal Blade to Extension Items Added Octarine Core to Extension Items Added Dagon - Level 5 to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Magic Wand Removed Lotus Orb Oracle (Middle) Added Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Tango to Starting Items Added Wind Lace to Starting Items Added Clairty to Starting Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Mekansm to Core Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items Removed Null Talisman Removed Bottle Outworld Devourer  Phantom Assassin Phantom Lancer Puck Pudge PugnaQueen of Pain  Razor Riki Silencer (Middle)Skywrath Mage (Middle) Added Null Talisman to Starting Items Added Boots of Speed to Core Items Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Bloodstone to Extension Items Added Black King Bar to Situational Items Moved Rod of Atos to Core Items Moved Aether Lens to Core Items Moved Force Staff to Situational Items Removed Clarity Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Faerie Fire Removed Urn of Shadows Removed Power Treads  Slark (Lane) Slark (Middle) Shadow FiendAdded Healing Salve to Core Items Added Ring of Aquila to Core Items Added Helm of the Dominator to Core Items Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Bottle to Situational Items Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items Sniper (Lane)Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar Sniper (Middle)Added Hurricane Pike to Extension Items Moved Black King Bar to Core Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Removed Monkey King Bar  SpectreStorm Spirit  SvenTerrorblade  Tinker Tiny (Lane) Tiny (Middle)New Skill Build: Q W Q WW Q R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Toss 2. Avalanche 3. Craggy Exterior) Added Magic Wand to Core Items Moved Quelling Blade to Situational Items Removed Wind Lace Troll Warlord (Middle) Troll Warlord (Lane)  Ursa (Lane) Viper Warlock (Middle) Weaver (Lane) Weaver (Middle)Windranger (Lane) Wraith King  ZeusRenamed Support Ancient Apparition (Lane) Arc Warden (Middle) Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items Added Tango to Starting Items Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Urn of Shadows to Core Items Added Aether Lens to Core Items Added Observer Ward to Utility Items Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items Added Smoke of Deceit to Utility Items Added Dust of Appearance to Utility Items Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items Added Force Staff to Extension Items Added Solar Crest to Extension Items Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items Added Dagon - Level 5 to Extension Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Removed Faerie Fire x2 Removed Bottle Removed Boots of Speed Removed Necromonicon - Level 3 Removed Desolator Removed Diffusal Blade - Level 2 Removed Black King Bar Removed Daedalus Removed Mjollnir  BaneBounty Hunter New Skill Build: E W Q Q Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shuriken Toss 2. Shadow Walk 3. Jinada) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Created New Tab: "Situational Items" Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Added Pipe of Insight to "Situational Items" Added Heaven's Halberd to "Situational Items" Added Linken's Sphere to "Situational Items" Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items Moved Force Staff to "Situational Items" Moved Lotus Orb to "Situational Items" Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Stout Shield Removed Tango Removed Clarity Removed Animal Courier Remove Phase Boots Removed Bottle Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Diffusal Blade - Level 2 Removed Sange & Yasha Removed Desolator Removed Abyssal Blade Removed Monkey King Bar Removed Black King Bar Crystal Maiden  Dazzle Disruptor EarthshakerEarth Spirit (Lane) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Boots of Speed to Core Items Added Flying Courier to "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Added Glimmer Cape to Situational Items Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items Removed Orb of Venom Removed Enchanted Mango IO  JakiroKeeper of the Light New Skill Build: Q E E Q E Q Q R W W W W E R R (1. Illuminate 2. Chakra Magic 3. Mana Leak) Added Clarity x2 Moved Mekansm to Core Items Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items Removed Magic Wand Removed Iron Branch x2 Removed Healing Salve Removed Rod of Atos Kunkka (Middle) Lich Lion Leshrac (Lane)New Skill Build: Q E Q W W R W W Q Q R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm Added Blink Dagger to Situational Items Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Added Veil of Discord to Situational Items Moved Aether Lens to Core Items Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Lina (Lane)Naga Siren (Middle) New Skill Build: W E W E E R E W W Q R Q Q Q R (1. Rip Tide 2. Ensnare 3. Mirror Image) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Animal Courier to Starting Items Added Observer Ward x2 to Starting Items Added Healing Salve to Starting Items Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Arcane Boots to Core Items Added Magic Wand to Core Items Added Mekansm to Core Items Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Added Rod of Atos to Situational Items Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items Added Glimmer Cape to Extension Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items Added Solar Crest to Extension Items Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items Added Flying Courier to "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Removed Quelling Blade Removed Stout Shield Removed Bottle Removed Ring of Aquila Removed Boots of Speed Removed Power Treads Removed Diffusal Blade Removed Radiance Removed Boots of Speed Removed Yasha Removed Town Portal Scroll Removed Manta Style Removed Heart of Tarrasque Removed Butterfly Removed Octarine Core Nyx Assassin (Lane) Ogre Magi  OmniknightOracle (Lane) Phoenix (Lane)  RubickSand King New Skill Build: Q W W Q W Q Q W R E R E E E R (1. Burrowstrike 2. Sand Storm 3. Caustic Finale) Created New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Flying Courier to "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Added Sentry Ward to "Utility Items" Added Dust of Appearance to "Utility Items" Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items" Added Smoke of Deceit to "Utility Items" Added Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items Moved Force Staff to Core Items Moved Aether Lens to Extension Items  Shadow Demon Shadow Shaman (Lane) Skywrath Mage (Lane) Added Mantle of Intelligence to Starting Items Moved Veil of Discord to Core Items Moved Aether Lens to Core Items Moved Force Staff to Extension Items Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items Removed Faerie Fire Removed Clarity Techies Treant Protector  TuskVengeful Spirit VenomancerNew Skill Build: Q W E E E W E R W W R Q Q Q R (1. Plague Ward 2. Poison Sting 3. Venomous Gale) Added Eul's Scepter to Extension Items Moved Veil of Discord to Core Items Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items  Visage Warlock (Lane) Winter Wyvern  Witch DoctorRenamed Offlane  BatriderCreated New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Boots of Speed to Starting Items Added Tango to Starting Items Added Clarity to Starting Items Added Observer Ward to "Utility Items" Moved Bottle to Situational Items Removed Faerie Fire x2 Removed Iron Branch x2 Brewmaster (Lane)Added Observer Ward to Starting Items Removed Enchanted Mango  Bristleback BroodmotherCreated New Tab: "Utility Items" Added Observer Ward to Utility Items Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items Added Dust of Appearance to Utility Items Added Infused Raindrop to Utility Items Centaur Warrunner  Clockwerk Dark Seer Doom (Lane)Earth Spirit (Lane) Faceless Void Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items Added Manta Style to Extension Items Moved Diffusal Blade to Core Items Moved Infused Raindrop to Situational Items Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items Removed Refresher Orb Removed Monkey King Bar  MiranaMoved Blink Dagger to Core Items Moved Desolator to Situational Items Moved Manta Style to Extension Items Spirit Breaker  TidehunterAdded Mekansm to Core Items Added Force Staff to Extension Items  Timbersaw UndyingRenamed Jungle Bloodseeker (Jungle)New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E W R W W W R (1. Thirst 2. Bloodrage 3. Blood Rite) Added Phase Boots to Core Items Removed Power Treads Removed Skull Basher  Chen Doom (Jungle) EnchantressAdded Wind Lace to Situational Items Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items Removed Drums of Endurance Removed Force Staff  EnigmaNew Skill Build: W Q W Q W R W E Q Q R E E E R (1. Demonic Conversion 2. Malefice 3. Midnight Pulse) Lifestealer (Jungle)Legion Commander (Middle) New Skill Build: E W E Q Q R Q Q W E R E W W R (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Moment of Courage 3. Press The Attack) Added Quelling Blade to Starting Items Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items Moved Desolator to Extension Items Removed Bottle Removed Satanic Lone Druid (Jungle) Lycan (Jungle) Nature's Prophet Ursa (Jungle) + Show Spoiler [To Consider] + To-Do Arc Warden (Middle) - Starting Core Lane Items Earth Spirit (Lane) - Offlane Starting Items Enchantress - Offlane Starting ItemsKeeper of the Light - Offlane Starting Items Magnus - Offlane Starting ItemsNature's Prophet - Offlane Starting Items Necrophos - Middle Starting Items Pudge - Roam Starting Items Weaver (Lane) - Offlane Starting Items Beastmaster (Lane) - Offlane + Middle Starting ItemsCONSIDER CHANGING REDUNDANT GUIDES TO DUPLICATE GUIDES | ||
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On June 09 2016 09:30 Torte de Lini wrote: I'm also curious on why Aghs is good on Spirit Breaker now I'm pretty sure it's still not | ||
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