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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 10 2016 00:08 GMT
#6321
Tomorrow is stats. Expecting just below 3 million (2.9?) growth.
Will publish these changes by then.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 10 2016 08:07 GMT
#6322
Riki seems to be being played as a roamer now.

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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
June 10 2016 09:06 GMT
#6323
Yep he has been for well over a month now, he's played as a bounty hunter replacement kinda. You don't really bother getting ulti till late, smoke screen is too much value.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
June 10 2016 10:17 GMT
#6324
Pretty sure u get one point in ult to dodge stuff and maybe for one "ranged" attack to finish off leaving enemy.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 10 2016 21:14 GMT
#6325
Should we change our build to Offlane/Roaming or keep it Core - Safe Lane?

I will research some roaming Riki builds and test them out today.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 10 2016 21:19 GMT
#6326
Riki can definitely still be run as a carry, it just isn't popular at higher mmrs due to his poor farming ability and how much impact he can have as a support with little farm.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-10 21:56:20
June 10 2016 21:27 GMT
#6327
Personal note:

Item build:
Observer, Tango, Orb of Venom, Faerie Fire
Boots of Speed + Wind Lace
Tranquil Boots + Magic Wand
Urn of Shadows + Diffusal Blade + Desolator
(Blink Dagger/Black King Bar)
Eye of Skadi/Butterfly/Daedalus/Manta Style

E Q W Q Q R Q W W W R E E E R
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2423222858
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2426001580
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2423222858
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2420586461
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2418319460

E Q W E Q R Q Q E E R W W W R
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2425646897
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2419483371
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2411603661

E E W Q E R E Q Q Q W R W W Q
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2410966933
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2409573458



I updated the Core version of
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 10 2016 22:07 GMT
#6328
[image loading]

For two weeks.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 11 2016 03:42 GMT
#6329
Publishing Changes
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 11 2016 04:16 GMT
#6330
Guess I'm on vacation until the system is fixed.

Stats in 3 hours.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-17 22:25:02
June 11 2016 08:54 GMT
#6331
After ~15 days (May 26 to June 10), we have risen from 143,175,783 to 146,321,029 combined subscriptions

A difference of 3,145,246
Average Subscribers per Guide is 988,655.60
Growth Percentage is 2.20%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Beastmaster (Jungle) (244,977)
  2. Brewmaster (Core) (218,019)
  3. Warlock (Core) (116,775)
  4. Shadow Shaman (Core) (90,892)
  5. Invoker (Quas/Wex) (633)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Lifestealer (Jungle)
  2. Sven
  3. Phantom Lancer
  4. Juggernaut
  5. Bounty Hunter


Notable Growths in Subscriptions:
  • Lifestealer (Jungle) (1,939,681 -> 1,980,463)
  • Sven (1,907,699 -> 1,971,232)
  • Phantom Assassin (1,586,581 -> 1,629,264)
  • Silencer (Support) (999,053 -> 1,017,206)
  • Lion (977,371 -> 1,009,690)
  • Pudge (980,882 -> 1,009,264)
  • Shadow Demon (998,092 -> 1,008,566)
  • Dark Seer (990,735 -> 1,008,539)
  • Dazzle (983,676 -> 1,004,118)


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Pearson Mewbourne, Sutas, Nicholas Chlumecky, Mikey Kaminski, Dice, Kevin Hutton, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Benjamin Miller, Kitaro Windrider, Elliot Cuite, Patrick Colton, Daniel Thackray, Tobias Iskov Thomsen, Jose Cacho, Max Kemeny, Matthew Nami, Joel Absolom, tale, Dan Shaw, Josh Miller, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, JimmaDaRustla, Slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Ramona Brown, Duncan, Alishams Hassam, Leon Traill, Josh Laseter, Genc Musliu, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster, Alli Goss

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-06-11 10:04:42
    June 11 2016 09:06 GMT
    #6332
      This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Birdie, ahswtini, Belisarius, Logo, Sn0_Man, Velzi, BluemoonSC, TheWanderingZebra, Buckyman,

    • 15.27% of last month's unique players [12,968,879] are subscribed to the our highest subscribed guide: Lifestealer (Jungle) Guide

    • Silencer (Support) (1,017,206)
    • Lion (1,009,690)
    • Pudge (1,009,264)
    • Shadow Demon (1,008,566)
    • Dark Seer (1,008,539)
    • Dazzle (1,004,118) recently hit the 1 million mark

    • Four guides are currently swimming towards the 1 million mark: (997,050), (986,201), (966,374), (961,012)
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-06-13 21:36:58
    June 13 2016 05:30 GMT
    #6333
    6.88 released, guides are still bugged so I can't update them.

    Personal note:

    Spirit Siphon drain redunction from 25 to 16 (max Q instead?)
    Ignore now static mana cost

    Phantom Strike goes through BKB

    Smoke at max mana static cost (90). See if roaming Riki still strong

    Mana cost for Conjure Image is 10 less mana (80 to 70)

    improve ultimate

    nice base regen (0.75 up from 0.25)

    early-game mana issues gone?

    Hurricane Pike First?


    To-do:

    Push Echo Sabre Core on all Lifestealer (Core - Jungle is already Echo Sabre)
    Push latest changes unpublished
    Push 6.88 title change
    Push tab: "Patreon.com/Torte" to after Starting Items (before Early Game/Core Items). Figure Starting + Early Game Items
    Third level -> Q, Soul Ring after Boots + Wand, Quelling Blade before Boots of Speed
    Core -> Phase -> Drums -> Armlet (Shadow Blade to Situational Items). Add Halberd to Situational Items
    relook at starting items + skill build
    fix &amp text
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    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-06-14 23:35:26
    June 14 2016 23:26 GMT
    #6334
    Patch doesn't look like it changes much in terms of builds.

    I'd be in favour of offlane riki.

    He's still fine as a carry but roaming riki is pretty meta right now, and being an early adopter of the meta stuff tends to get you subscribers. The roaming build is honestly pretty unique in that you build all the carry stuff anyway.

    I still don't think ench rushes pike.

    I think armlet replaces drums on kka. He needs one of sb/blink in core. Halberd isn't particularly important.

    PA is definitely Bfury core now, her lategame is so much better.
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    June 15 2016 00:12 GMT
    #6335
    On June 15 2016 08:26 Belisarius wrote:
    Patch doesn't look like it changes much in terms of builds.

    I'd be in favour of offlane riki.

    He's still fine as a carry but roaming riki is pretty meta right now, and being an early adopter of the meta stuff tends to get you subscribers. The roaming build is honestly pretty unique in that you build all the carry stuff anyway.

    I still don't think ench rushes pike.

    I think armlet replaces drums on kka. He needs one of sb/blink in core. Halberd isn't particularly important.

    PA is definitely Bfury core now, her lategame is so much better.


    Builds still bugged, can't update shit. I still have some remnants of the last patch changes that I didn't get to publish so I'm a little upset at how incomplete my work is.

    Can you give me the build for roaming riki? I want to try it but cant nail down the item/skill build order.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
    Belisarius
    Profile Joined November 2010
    Australia6233 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-06-15 03:05:48
    June 15 2016 00:51 GMT
    #6336
    Uh idk it varies by how well you're doing. Only essentials are oov and E into smoke with 1 in blink fairly early. Anything after 1-x-1 depends on how things are going, but you usually end up with like 2-2-1-1 by 6.

    After that you either go tranqs into full utility and QW if you're failing, or ideally treads wand diffu and start taking E like normal if you're picking up kills. I'd probably say boots wand (upboots) diffu, maybe with tranqs over treads and like EQWQWRWWEER maybe.

    It's kind of weird really. It has a lot of the same issues as DPS BH that I'm aware I was ranting about earlier, but smoke and diffu usually means that even if he's super behind, he can at least take a support out of the fight or disrupt a core at a key moment.
    ahswtini
    Profile Blog Joined June 2008
    Northern Ireland22213 Posts
    June 15 2016 10:43 GMT
    #6337
    most ppl i see keep smoke at lvl 1 until last
    "As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
    Logo
    Profile Blog Joined April 2010
    United States7542 Posts
    Last Edited: 2016-06-15 16:00:26
    June 15 2016 15:59 GMT
    #6338
    It's kind of weird really. It has a lot of the same issues as DPS BH that I'm aware I was ranting about earlier, but smoke and diffu usually means that even if he's super behind, he can at least take a support out of the fight or disrupt a core at a key moment.


    At the same time not really though. Blinkstrike & Ult mean you can get off at least a few auto-attacks in any fight ensuring that you get value out of your combat oriented items even if smoking on top of a support to take them out isn't an option. Even if the ult partially wiffs it's still a zoning tool if you have a combat item.

    Battle BH often runs the risk of getting 0 to 1 auto-attacks off in a fight because he just gets caught out and controlled (or killed).
    Logo
    ahswtini
    Profile Blog Joined June 2008
    Northern Ireland22213 Posts
    June 15 2016 16:16 GMT
    #6339
    smoke and his ult means he can quite safely be in the thick of it right clicking. the problem is riki doesnt have any other utility other than smoke. bounty can comfortably sit from a distance to track and throw shurikens. riki needs to be right clicking if he wants to contribute to a fight meaningfully outside of just dropping a smoke
    "As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    June 15 2016 23:13 GMT
    #6340
    Hero Builds are fixed, Daniel (Valve) reached out to me personally to let me know.

    Thank you Daniel and Valve.
    https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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