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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 18 2016 23:19 GMT
#6361
On June 18 2016 09:19 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2016 05:01 Logo wrote:
How is Q more kill potential than another point in W though? I can't imagine the 50 damage and 10% slow is going to be more damage than 1-2 extra auto-attacks from overpower.

It's more about being able to frontload the damage and get larger burst off at levels higher than 4. The theory behind it pretty much is that Ursa almost never has issues doing enough damage with even a single point in his passive, he has issues being able to stick to the target and kill them before they walk to safety. It's why people used to go 4-1-1 on ursa safelane, it's better at speedily blowing people up and for solo kills in general (with sufficient lockdown his q is almost pointless).

So you go 4-1-1 and get a fast blink/shadowblade to make it easier to roam around picking off supports or isolated heroes without escapes as with even 0-1-1 and lifesteal ursa should win most 1v1s as long as the enemy doesn't kite him, which is what the extra points in his q are to prevent.

With that said, the current build of earth shock at 2 + 4 and then delay until much later doesn't seem ideal for much. A quick glance through the top few dotabuff players shows a preference for an early point and then levelling it last as the most common. For example mvp players - http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2416637106 (febby)

Note that there are some that still do the max q build, and there are plenty that do pretty much every imaginable build, including stats over earth shock.


Yes, I am thinking of just doing a single point also. I will change it now.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 18 2016 23:20 GMT
#6362
By the way, we hit 2 million twice on Lifestealer and Tidehunter.

We'll hit 1 million average by tomorrow also. Nice little achievement
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 19 2016 07:41 GMT
#6363
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1 million average.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
June 19 2016 16:17 GMT
#6364
Also, Sven passed Lifestealer (Jungle) at the top.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 21:01:40
June 19 2016 20:44 GMT
#6365
Someone's intentionally downvoting my guide for Nature's Prophet.

On June 20 2016 01:17 Buckyman wrote:
Also, Sven passed Lifestealer (Jungle) at the top.


yeah, that sucks though ):
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 19 2016 22:04 GMT
#6366
Monumental week:

  • Estimated 150 million subscriptions by the end of this 15-day checkpoint (May 25)
  • Two Hero Builds reaching 2 million subscriptions, the first of any Steam Guide or Hero Build across all games
  • Reached 1 Million Average subscribers
  • Despite an 8-month difference, Sven has toppled Lifestealer (Jungle) as the #1 guide

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kblueriver
Profile Joined July 2012
Argentina430 Posts
June 20 2016 01:40 GMT
#6367
Hey. Just want to say, these guides are awesome. I almost never actually follow them, but I love them for easy access to the items, and I recognize their huge value to newer players. Thanks a lot for making them!

Also, please add Bloodstone as an extension item to Lina (core), it's sometimes useful
Your ever humble pwnage provider
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 05:06:00
June 20 2016 05:05 GMT
#6368
On June 20 2016 10:40 kblueriver wrote:
Hey. Just want to say, these guides are awesome. I almost never actually follow them, but I love them for easy access to the items, and I recognize their huge value to newer players. Thanks a lot for making them!

Also, please add Bloodstone as an extension item to Lina (core), it's sometimes useful


I intentionally avoided Bloodstone as it would conflict with other items that have Lina split. Right now, it has a good balance of attainable items that don't necessarily demand Lina to snowball to make the most use of it!

Also, thank you for using the guides (:
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 05:07:55
June 20 2016 05:07 GMT
#6369
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Live-Stream ready.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 20 2016 19:50 GMT
#6370
servers are back online
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 20:35:57
June 20 2016 20:30 GMT
#6371
Need help figuring out +
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 20:31:52
June 20 2016 20:31 GMT
#6372
so does icefrog lel

that hero's unpickable
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 20 2016 20:36 GMT
#6373
On June 21 2016 05:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
so does icefrog lel

that hero's unpickable


His skill build and item build is inconsistent every where.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 20:39:54
June 20 2016 20:37 GMT
#6374
on account of good ones not existing

he's probably some awful safelane forcestaff + atos rushing hero that will win like 40% of his games by dint of existing
hurricane pike eventually

the thing about his 6.88 buff is that it's 50 more mana at level1 passive but the next levels aren't any better than they used to be so it's hard to suggest that it changes how the hero should be skilled it's just a public acknowledgement that the hero's ass.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 20 2016 20:39 GMT
#6375
On June 21 2016 05:37 Sn0_Man wrote:
on account of good ones not existing

he's probably some awful safelane forcestaff + atos rushing hero that will win like 40% of his games by dint of existing


same with Phantom Assassin. Skill build and item build is inconsistent. No more Bfury into Deso now again.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 20:44:06
June 20 2016 20:42 GMT
#6376
pa's bad on account of you have to buy bfury to farm but there aren't that many champions that can get away with just buying a bfury with the game's pace right now and pa is definitely not one of them.

In an ideal world I think PA builds like vanguard aquila into deso into abyssal into daedalus (yes daedalus) but u still don't shove waves well all u can do is fight like that which is kinda ass. U do own fights though. PS insert BKB wherever but definitely after deso otherwise u have vanguard bkb and don't do anything at all

I'm not really a carry player tho also im bad etc
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 03:41:08
June 20 2016 20:51 GMT
#6377
ed
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 20 2016 20:56 GMT
#6378
riki isn't really offlane he's roaming
Good kunkka players ALWAYS buy blink and SOMETIMES also buy shadowblade
there's no way in hell you start PMS tangoes on kunkka though, stout is plenty for a strength hero like kunkka who doesn't need to tank too many autos in lane.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 20:59:44
June 20 2016 20:59 GMT
#6379
On June 21 2016 05:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
riki isn't really offlane he's roaming
Good kunkka players ALWAYS buy blink and SOMETIMES also buy shadowblade
there's no way in hell you start PMS tangoes on kunkka though, stout is plenty for a strength hero like kunkka who doesn't need to tank too many autos in lane.


We denote the title as Offlane with a sub-title in roaming.

I have never seena kunkka buy both Blink and Shadowblade. But I have seen both purchased on different builds (Frankfurt was Shadow Blade/Silver Edge)

I can remove PMS
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-20 21:07:39
June 20 2016 21:06 GMT
#6380
On June 21 2016 05:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
(Frankfurt was Shadow Blade/Silver Edge)

???
?????
there were 2 kunkka games at ESL One Frankfurt this last weekend and both were blink builds without shadowblade
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