Item wise, you would get a Quelling Blade early (usually at the beginning). Other than that, not really.

Orb of Venom is pretty much core unless you're jungling.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 08 2013 16:40 GMT

#542

I am thinking of making a Lone Druid Jungle Guide

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34507 Posts

September 08 2013 16:41 GMT

#543

It would be exactly the same except OOV would be situational instead of core, and even then that's arguable.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 08 2013 16:45 GMT

#544

Wouldn't you put Radiance as situational given how a bit slower jungling is?

Also midas as core?

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Germany38463 Posts

September 08 2013 17:31 GMT

#545

Also looking to improve Abaddon's build as I feel the items are mismatched

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 08 2013 17:36 GMT

#546

The Abaddon items are fine, what do you feel is mismatched about them?

Phase Boots and Ghost Scepter should be situational though.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 08 2013 17:42 GMT

#547

Usually during the early-phase, I don't get any last hits and his mana-pool makes harassing with the shield rather weak. I'm wondering if Soul Ring is overall better and changing arcane to phase and maybe even dropping urn til after phase (thus it'd be: boots -> wand -> phase -> urn)

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 08 2013 18:06 GMT

#548

Soul Ring sucks because when your gold is so limited, it's an enormous waste to buy an item that gives zero combat stats or team utility.

You don't harass with the shield, you use it either defensively or pushing for kills. Harassing with the shield majorly screws lane control anyway.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 08 2013 18:08 GMT

#549

Overall what I mean is that during the laning phase, his presence blows. I understand that's the biggest flaw for him, but I thought SR would alleviate some of that.

You make more sense though

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Germany38463 Posts

September 08 2013 20:11 GMT

#550

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=176984007

Jungle Lone Druid is out

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34507 Posts

September 08 2013 23:46 GMT

#551

Don't always need a full Wand as jungle druid. You don't need the slot space, you won't be in teamfights to use the whole 15 charges. A Magic Stick is sufficient.

You've got Maelstrom in core and Radiance in situational giving the impression that it's feasible to follow up with Radiance after Maelstrom.

Should probably add a note saying that Quelling Blade should also be on the bear. I've seen LD's leave it on the hero before.

OOV note - should be mentioned that it's more for if you plan to be ganking the safelane often early in the game.

Scepter note - 'Purely useful for physical carries' should be 'Purely useful against etc'

Your Vlads note says 'overall good item for you and the best.' I assume that's a typo for bear.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 09 2013 05:18 GMT

#552

DOne, thanks :D

Now all I gotta do is play more games with Lone Druid ):

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Germany38463 Posts

September 09 2013 08:49 GMT

#553

Added Halberd as situational for both Druid guides

Chaosquo

Germany154 Posts

September 12 2013 21:09 GMT

#554

I have some comments after playing some heroes more often:

Doom: I dont believe Aghs is core on him, as cool as the upgrade sounds, its not so useful in reality. I also think both radiance and armlet are both questionable on him, and Shivas is actually quite good if you dont get an AC.

AM: I believe in the Burning-build (W-Q-E-stats x2-ult-max W, maybe even stats at lvl 7). Maxing Mana Break early is not that useful if you dont get a favorable matchup. Also QB really speeds up your farm post BFury, so I would put it as core after it.

Spectre: Phase boots really deserve a mention, Heart should be core after Radiance, and Crit is not that good on her, 6th slot item at most. There are also skill builds that max Desolate first, but they are maybe too advanced?

Lich: I would actually just stay on brown boots, the regen from mek normally covers your hp needs.

Luna: I think RoA and Drums were popular together with Tranquils, but nowadays I would skip them both and just go Treads-(HotD)-BKB-Manta. Butterfly is also really good on her.

Viper: I would get a Mek after Phase, Viper can farm it quite fast and has the mana to spare. The new Corrosive Skin is too good not to get early, I would suggest Q-W-E-Q-Q-ult and than either maxing W or E.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 12 2013 21:11 GMT

#555

Agh's is *awful* on doom now lol.

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34507 Posts

September 12 2013 21:15 GMT

#556

On September 13 2013 06:09 Chaosquo wrote:
I have some comments after playing some heroes more often:

Doom: I dont believe Aghs is core on him, as cool as the upgrade sounds, its not so useful in reality. I also think both radiance and armlet are both questionable on him, and Shivas is actually quite good if you dont get an AC.

AM: I believe in the Burning-build (W-Q-E-stats x2-ult-max W, maybe even stats at lvl 7). Maxing Mana Break early is not that useful if you dont get a favorable matchup. Also QB really speeds up your farm post BFury, so I would put it as core after it.

Spectre: Phase boots really deserve a mention, Heart should be core after Radiance, and Crit is not that good on her, 6th slot item at most. There are also skill builds that max Desolate first, but they are maybe too advanced?

Lich: I would actually just stay on brown boots, the regen from mek normally covers your hp needs.

Luna: I think RoA and Drums were popular together with Tranquils, but nowadays I would skip them both and just go Treads-(HotD)-BKB-Manta. Butterfly is also really good on her.

Viper: I would get a Mek after Phase, Viper can farm it quite fast and has the mana to spare. The new Corrosive Skin is too good not to get early, I would suggest Q-W-E-Q-Q-ult and than either maxing W or E.

Aghs is definitely horrible on Doom. It should not be even in Situational right now.

Burning build is situational and I wouldn't recommend it as a cookie cutter for the average newbie that comes here looking for a guide. Definitely should add QB though.

Mek should be situational for Viper.

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Germany38463 Posts

September 14 2013 08:04 GMT

#557

Ok, I saw this!

I'll be modifying Doom now, except I dont know what would be the item after shadow blade?

Ah, we're talking about Doom [Lane].
Even with [Jungle], I have Aghs as core, but instead; what should the item build be?

Firebolt145

Lalalaland34507 Posts

September 14 2013 08:28 GMT

#558

Doom is an incredibly versatile hero to the point where I can't think of a single item I'd consider core beyond brown boots and a wand (definitely not Shadowblade). I'd simply put AC in luxury and shove everything else into situational, tbh.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

September 14 2013 08:57 GMT

#559

You should probably put Platemail into core, because you're pretty much guaranteed to get at least one of the two Platemail items (since Doom needs Armor and either Mana or Attack Speed so badly). Which one you get depends on the game and you usually won't get both if you got one.