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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Not sure if you got that or not, but i keep seeing that repeated when it's a logical fallacy and temperature is not the same thing as heat output 290x does put out a lot of heat, but even if the GPU was at 50c, it'd heat the case (or coolant) the same amount as being @95c | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Well, after breaking my laptop, deciding to try building a new desktop, and needing several days to educate myself on all these parts, I can safely agree that it's a significant learning experience for someone like me with very little tech knowledge. I was hoping to use the "typical gamer" (~$865) template. I'm not sure, however, if I actually need to spend that much to reach the minimum level of performance I'm content with (basically, hearthstone, sc2, and dota 2 on medium settings); and if in fact I don't, if spending that extra money will dramatically improve the gaming experience and/or let me keep using the system an appreciably time longer than going for a much cheaper one would. More specifically, looking over the parts, it seems like I could save the most on the storage: either getting a 120gb ssd instead of 250gb or not getting a ssd at all. Is this correct, and/or should I be looking elsewhere in the setup to save money? Intel Core i5-4670: $220 MSI B85M-G43: $80 G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $60 Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB: $185 (and newegg says it comes with 2 free games!) Samsung 840 250GB: $175 Western Digital Blue 500GB: $55 Rosewill Capstone 450: $60 Corsair Carbide 200R: $60 Total: $895 What is your budget? Hoping to get under $1000 incl. peripherals and software, though 100-200 over is acceptable What is your monitor's native resolution? I need to buy a monitor too... What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily SC2, Dota2, and Hearthstone, and possibly civ 5, far cry 3, Deus ex, mass effect 3. I'm comfortable with flashy games on medium, though of course I enjoy higher. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing demanding. Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes. At first glance I don't like the look of Windows 8 though. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, everything besides a mouse - monitor, speakers, keyboard, cd/dvd drive If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None + Show Spoiler + Thank you both very much for the suggestions. With dropping the SSD and getting the Radeon HD7790 I'm very satisfied with the cost, and as I understand things, I can always add an SSD or buy a better GPU sometime in the future if necessary. Well, the old family computer finally broke and my dad bought a new one - a Gateway, model DX 4885. He was wondering if I could take the relatively new graphics card (Sapphire Radeon HD 7790) out of the old broken computer and put it in the new one. The box just says "Intel HD Graphics" and from a brief glimpse inside I don't see anything in its PCIe x16 slot, so I assume it has some kind of integrated graphics, so the physical installation process would not be an issue. As I understand it, the only problem would be the power supply - which the Gateway website says for this model is only 300W, though the OP recommends 400-450W. So my question is, can this work? If it makes a difference, I'm quite sure they don't play AAA next-gen FPS games or anything like that, so I'm not sure how relevant the power tests of cards running Battlefield 3 on high settings are. (He actually primarily wants the newer card because the new computer alone doesn't have the same DVI connection to the monitor, and he doesn't want to use a VGA because then you apparently can't use USB ports on the monitor.) | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:30 jubil wrote: Hi everyone, I'm very satisfied with my new computer I built about a month and a half ago using your suggestions (my old post in spoilers below). In fact, my family's home computer's video card died right when I was receiving my parts and to compensate me for replacing it with the one I had bought, my father funded an upgraded one for me. + Show Spoiler + Well, after breaking my laptop, deciding to try building a new desktop, and needing several days to educate myself on all these parts, I can safely agree that it's a significant learning experience for someone like me with very little tech knowledge. I was hoping to use the "typical gamer" (~$865) template. I'm not sure, however, if I actually need to spend that much to reach the minimum level of performance I'm content with (basically, hearthstone, sc2, and dota 2 on medium settings); and if in fact I don't, if spending that extra money will dramatically improve the gaming experience and/or let me keep using the system an appreciably time longer than going for a much cheaper one would. More specifically, looking over the parts, it seems like I could save the most on the storage: either getting a 120gb ssd instead of 250gb or not getting a ssd at all. Is this correct, and/or should I be looking elsewhere in the setup to save money? Intel Core i5-4670: $220 MSI B85M-G43: $80 G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $60 Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB: $185 (and newegg says it comes with 2 free games!) Samsung 840 250GB: $175 Western Digital Blue 500GB: $55 Rosewill Capstone 450: $60 Corsair Carbide 200R: $60 Total: $895 What is your budget? Hoping to get under $1000 incl. peripherals and software, though 100-200 over is acceptable What is your monitor's native resolution? I need to buy a monitor too... What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily SC2, Dota2, and Hearthstone, and possibly civ 5, far cry 3, Deus ex, mass effect 3. I'm comfortable with flashy games on medium, though of course I enjoy higher. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing demanding. Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes. At first glance I don't like the look of Windows 8 though. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, everything besides a mouse - monitor, speakers, keyboard, cd/dvd drive If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None + Show Spoiler + Thank you both very much for the suggestions. With dropping the SSD and getting the Radeon HD7790 I'm very satisfied with the cost, and as I understand things, I can always add an SSD or buy a better GPU sometime in the future if necessary. Well, the old family computer finally broke and my dad bought a new one - a Gateway, model DX 4885. He was wondering if I could take the relatively new graphics card (Sapphire Radeon HD 7790) out of the old broken computer and put it in the new one. The box just says "Intel HD Graphics" and from a brief glimpse inside I don't see anything in its PCIe x16 slot, so I assume it has some kind of integrated graphics, so the physical installation process would not be an issue. As I understand it, the only problem would be the power supply - which the Gateway website says for this model is only 300W, though the OP recommends 400-450W. So my question is, can this work? If it makes a difference, I'm quite sure they don't play AAA next-gen FPS games or anything like that, so I'm not sure how relevant the power tests of cards running Battlefield 3 on high settings are. (He actually primarily wants the newer card because the new computer alone doesn't have the same DVI connection to the monitor, and he doesn't want to use a VGA because then you apparently can't use USB ports on the monitor.) Putting in a new graphics card in order to use usb ports on the monitor heh. I thought most monitors use a separate cable for getting their usb ports to work via a usb-a to usb-b cable (usb-a goes into mobo, usb-b goes into monitor, thus connecting the monitor's normal usb ports). My instinct says that VGA vs. DVI shouldn't matter for the usb ports on the monitor but I could be wrong. Oh and my guess is that the PSU would definitely not have the needed plugs in order to power the graphics card, and that is assuming the motherboard even has the appropriate PCI-E x16 slot for it (you said you saw one, but can you tell just by looking at it? I dunno maybe.) If it was my dad I'd ask him what he needs the usb ports on the monitor for so much anyway, but I am not a very respectful son. | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:55 Cyro wrote: Haswell runs like 20c or more hotter than Piledriver while outputting half as much heat Not sure if you got that or not, but i keep seeing that repeated when it's a logical fallacy and temperature is not the same thing as heat output 290x does put out a lot of heat, but even if the GPU was at 50c, it'd heat the case (or coolant) the same amount as being @95c Yeah I messed that up regarding total heat output. I usually catch that mistake, but not this time. Nevertheless my main point stands. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
i plan on using green LED fans for my set up inside and i want it to be able to show through by the window. atm I am liking the corsair carbide 200r but it has no side window panel | ||
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Leeoku
1617 Posts
On October 25 2013 03:43 Leeoku wrote: How good is msi in the gpu category? I saw someone selling it for $300CAD MSI GeForce GTX 680 Twin Frozr 2GB GDDR5 | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On October 25 2013 04:48 IMKR wrote: what is a good cheap case that has a side panel window? i plan on using green LED fans for my set up inside and i want it to be able to show through by the window. atm I am liking the corsair carbide 200r but it has no side window panel BitFenix Shinobi Window. Some would say the weakness is not having many fans at stock, so that is presumably no issue if you're buying fans anyway. $50 from us.ncix with free shipping if your oroder is above $100 (get something else from there too): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60585&promoid=1145 edit: wait a sec, the windowed version comes with two; it's the non-windowed that only has the back one by default | ||
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Baldour
Costa Rica12 Posts
What is your budget? About 1500 US dollars. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Most of the time Starcraft, but pretty much everything, Battlefield, Final Fantasy, FarCray, Tomb Rider, hopefully GTA V someday. I want to be able to play in High - Ultra. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming, and surfing the web. Do you intend to overclock? Yes. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Im planning of getting a 3 Monitor setup in a couple months, i need to SLI for this right? Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No. What country will you be buying your parts in? Im from Costa Rica, so im buying the parts in Amazon in United States. [b]If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.[/b No. The guide you guys post really help me, this is what i planning to get, but i just want to be sure im getting the most for my money, if i can upgrade for a few extra bucks im totally doing it, i really appreciate a great gaming experience. Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ------------------------------- $219.99 Cooler Master GeminII S524 77.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler -------------------- $32.92 MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ------------------------- $167.99 G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ---------------- $126.92 Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk --------------------------- $99.99 Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ------------------------- $58.9 MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ------------------------------- $255.91 Cooler Master HAF 932 Blue ATX Full Tower Case ----------------------- $119.99 EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ---------------------- $79.99 This is my first computer that im gonna buy this way, i usually just buy a Dell computer or get one in Walmart, so im a noob when it come to finding computers parts, every suggestion will be depply appreciated. ( Please excuse the grammar and any mistakes, English not my mother language). | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
I haven't got my classified running at a particularly high OC (about 1250mhz) because it seems the voltage lock is an impediment to stability in games at higher clock speeds despite stability in testing (well known issue with games when using DX11 features on OC'd cards), so I probably could get away with 'non-top-of-range' 780's so long as they overclock reasonably well. Was considering this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24887 Thoughts? | ||
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Jaxx
Slovakia758 Posts
On October 24 2013 03:32 Cyro wrote: The temp drop is nice but i wouldn't do it unless the chip scaled. My temps @4.8ghz ht off are like the same as 4.6 ht on, even though i need aggressive voltage scaling to get there, but i can't stabilize it regardless of voltage/temperatures (can only get "halfway" there and then stop seeing returns) because of weird stuff i dont and apparently nobody understands Also, it's kinda hard for delidding services. If they offer a warranty on the CPU (i break it, i get you a new one) then they can't make good profit, because they'd lose the profit from delidding a dozen or more cpu's just because a single one broke in a freak accident. ^If they don't offer warranty, you're paying somebody else to do something with your CPU that you should be learning about anyway, and can do with your own hands, and have to deal with shipping, and then you have to do stuff like being careful putting CPU in socket (because IHS slides) and maybe maintaining the paste which would mean removing and reapplying (and also buying your own paste for like another 10 euros) I don't really like some things in the destiny vid, he's using the wrong type of vice, CLP instead of CLU etc. Almost all of the issues with people delidding are from using the wrong kind of vice or formerly, the wrong type of blade, and only a few have been lost in freak accidents with the right equipment and research, so it seems silly not to do it right IMO Thnx for info, I guess I won't delid for now and will see how it runs. I have one stupid question tho, since this took me 2 weeks to realize  Are smaller PCIe x1 cards compatible with big PCIe x4/8/16 slots? I somehow didn't think this could be the case and couldn't believe how stupid the mATX motherboard manufacturers are to put 3 big PCIe slots onto MB when they are only good for graphics. FML I guess  If this is true, it changes my choice of MB between ASUS Z87M-PLUS (105€), ASUS GRYPHON Z87 (131€), GIGABYTE Z87M-D3H (99€) and GIGABYTE Z87MX-D3H (119€). Which would you guys recommend with Intel 4670K? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 25 2013 08:52 Baldour wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi everyone, i have been thinking of buying a gaming computer for a while, and i finally ready to do it. I consider myself as a hardcore gamer, been playing video games my entire life but most of them in consoles, and only use the computer for the game I love the most: Starcraft2 (and others rts games and simulators like Simcity etc) but now i decide that i wont get any console from the upcoming gen (PS4, Xbox One) so focus on a good gaming desktop is pretty good idea for me. What is your budget? About 1500 US dollars. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Most of the time Starcraft, but pretty much everything, Battlefield, Final Fantasy, FarCray, Tomb Rider, hopefully GTA V someday. I want to be able to play in High - Ultra. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming, and surfing the web. Do you intend to overclock? Yes. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Im planning of getting a 3 Monitor setup in a couple months, i need to SLI for this right? Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No. What country will you be buying your parts in? Im from Costa Rica, so im buying the parts in Amazon in United States. [b]If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.[/b No. The guide you guys post really help me, this is what i planning to get, but i just want to be sure im getting the most for my money, if i can upgrade for a few extra bucks im totally doing it, i really appreciate a great gaming experience. Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ------------------------------- $219.99 Cooler Master GeminII S524 77.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler -------------------- $32.92 MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ------------------------- $167.99 G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ---------------- $126.92 Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk --------------------------- $99.99 Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ------------------------- $58.9 MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ------------------------------- $255.91 Cooler Master HAF 932 Blue ATX Full Tower Case ----------------------- $119.99 EVGA SuperNOVA 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ---------------------- $79.99 This is my first computer that im gonna buy this way, i usually just buy a Dell computer or get one in Walmart, so im a noob when it come to finding computers parts, every suggestion will be depply appreciated. ( Please excuse the grammar and any mistakes, English not my mother language). If you are going to be gaming at 5760*1080 than yes SLI / Crossfire would be necessary to maintain decent framerates. A Radeon HD7970 / R9 280X Crossfire would fare much better at that resolution than a GTX 760 SLI setup. If you will only be gaming at 1080p and using the two other monitors for browsing / other stuff than you SLI / Crossfire is not necessary. You want a tower heatsink like a Thermalright Macho / True Spirit or Noctua NH-U14S, not a low profile heatsink like the one you selected. Motherboard is unnecessary? A Gigabyte Z87X-D3H or MSI Z87-G45 would probably accomplish everything you want. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:37 Jaxx wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 24 2013 03:32 Cyro wrote:The temp drop is nice but i wouldn't do it unless the chip scaled. My temps @4.8ghz ht off are like the same as 4.6 ht on, even though i need aggressive voltage scaling to get there, but i can't stabilize it regardless of voltage/temperatures (can only get "halfway" there and then stop seeing returns) because of weird stuff i dont and apparently nobody understands Also, it's kinda hard for delidding services. If they offer a warranty on the CPU (i break it, i get you a new one) then they can't make good profit, because they'd lose the profit from delidding a dozen or more cpu's just because a single one broke in a freak accident. ^If they don't offer warranty, you're paying somebody else to do something with your CPU that you should be learning about anyway, and can do with your own hands, and have to deal with shipping, and then you have to do stuff like being careful putting CPU in socket (because IHS slides) and maybe maintaining the paste which would mean removing and reapplying (and also buying your own paste for like another 10 euros) I don't really like some things in the destiny vid, he's using the wrong type of vice, CLP instead of CLU etc. Almost all of the issues with people delidding are from using the wrong kind of vice or formerly, the wrong type of blade, and only a few have been lost in freak accidents with the right equipment and research, so it seems silly not to do it right IMO Thnx for info, I guess I won't delid for now and will see how it runs. I have one stupid question tho, since this took me 2 weeks to realize Are smaller PCIe x1 cards compatible with big PCIe x4/8/16 slots? I somehow didn't think this could be the case and couldn't believe how stupid the mATX motherboard manufacturers are to put 3 big PCIe slots onto MB when they are only good for graphics. FML I guess If this is true, it changes my choice of MB between ASUS Z87M-PLUS (105€), ASUS GRYPHON Z87 (131€), GIGABYTE Z87M-D3H (99€) and GIGABYTE Z87MX-D3H (119€). Which would you guys recommend with Intel 4670K? Yes PCIe x1 cards can fit into PCIe x16 slots. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On October 25 2013 05:19 Myrmidon wrote: BitFenix Shinobi Window. Some would say the weakness is not having many fans at stock, so that is presumably no issue if you're buying fans anyway. $50 from us.ncix with free shipping if your oroder is above $100 (get something else from there too): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60585&promoid=1145 edit: wait a sec, the windowed version comes with two; it's the non-windowed that only has the back one by default ty for the recommendation. So far, this case might be 2nd choice. (i dont like the knob method for harddrives installation on this) I just found a case that fits all what im looking for. and thats the NZXT source 210 the windowed version. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146102 so far i like the reviews on it. but i dont like how its not screwless on this one too. I like the ones where you like snap the drive into a tray Still looking around atm though :D | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:35 Jonoman92 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2013 02:30 jubil wrote: Hi everyone, I'm very satisfied with my new computer I built about a month and a half ago using your suggestions (my old post in spoilers below). In fact, my family's home computer's video card died right when I was receiving my parts and to compensate me for replacing it with the one I had bought, my father funded an upgraded one for me. + Show Spoiler + Well, after breaking my laptop, deciding to try building a new desktop, and needing several days to educate myself on all these parts, I can safely agree that it's a significant learning experience for someone like me with very little tech knowledge. I was hoping to use the "typical gamer" (~$865) template. I'm not sure, however, if I actually need to spend that much to reach the minimum level of performance I'm content with (basically, hearthstone, sc2, and dota 2 on medium settings); and if in fact I don't, if spending that extra money will dramatically improve the gaming experience and/or let me keep using the system an appreciably time longer than going for a much cheaper one would. More specifically, looking over the parts, it seems like I could save the most on the storage: either getting a 120gb ssd instead of 250gb or not getting a ssd at all. Is this correct, and/or should I be looking elsewhere in the setup to save money? Intel Core i5-4670: $220 MSI B85M-G43: $80 G.Skill Ripjaws 2x4GB: $60 Sapphire Radeon HD7870 GHz Edition OC 2GB: $185 (and newegg says it comes with 2 free games!) Samsung 840 250GB: $175 Western Digital Blue 500GB: $55 Rosewill Capstone 450: $60 Corsair Carbide 200R: $60 Total: $895 What is your budget? Hoping to get under $1000 incl. peripherals and software, though 100-200 over is acceptable What is your monitor's native resolution? I need to buy a monitor too... What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Primarily SC2, Dota2, and Hearthstone, and possibly civ 5, far cry 3, Deus ex, mass effect 3. I'm comfortable with flashy games on medium, though of course I enjoy higher. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing demanding. Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes. At first glance I don't like the look of Windows 8 though. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, everything besides a mouse - monitor, speakers, keyboard, cd/dvd drive If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None + Show Spoiler + Thank you both very much for the suggestions. With dropping the SSD and getting the Radeon HD7790 I'm very satisfied with the cost, and as I understand things, I can always add an SSD or buy a better GPU sometime in the future if necessary. Well, the old family computer finally broke and my dad bought a new one - a Gateway, model DX 4885. He was wondering if I could take the relatively new graphics card (Sapphire Radeon HD 7790) out of the old broken computer and put it in the new one. The box just says "Intel HD Graphics" and from a brief glimpse inside I don't see anything in its PCIe x16 slot, so I assume it has some kind of integrated graphics, so the physical installation process would not be an issue. As I understand it, the only problem would be the power supply - which the Gateway website says for this model is only 300W, though the OP recommends 400-450W. So my question is, can this work? If it makes a difference, I'm quite sure they don't play AAA next-gen FPS games or anything like that, so I'm not sure how relevant the power tests of cards running Battlefield 3 on high settings are. (He actually primarily wants the newer card because the new computer alone doesn't have the same DVI connection to the monitor, and he doesn't want to use a VGA because then you apparently can't use USB ports on the monitor.) Putting in a new graphics card in order to use usb ports on the monitor heh. I thought most monitors use a separate cable for getting their usb ports to work via a usb-a to usb-b cable (usb-a goes into mobo, usb-b goes into monitor, thus connecting the monitor's normal usb ports). My instinct says that VGA vs. DVI shouldn't matter for the usb ports on the monitor but I could be wrong. Oh and my guess is that the PSU would definitely not have the needed plugs in order to power the graphics card, and that is assuming the motherboard even has the appropriate PCI-E x16 slot for it (you said you saw one, but can you tell just by looking at it? I dunno maybe.) If it was my dad I'd ask him what he needs the usb ports on the monitor for so much anyway, but I am not a very respectful son. Yeah....after actually getting the case open I couldn't find a power cord connection for the card. I guess if the power supply is that awful they don't even both including connections for stuff like that? So we canned the project and he set it up. Seems pretty stupid to me though, selling computers with 4th gen i5, 8 GB memory, a 1 TB hard drive (these specs seem good, I think)....and then such a low power supply and no graphics card whatsoever. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On October 25 2013 12:53 jubil wrote: Yeah....after actually getting the case open I couldn't find a power cord connection for the card. I guess if the power supply is that awful they don't even both including connections for stuff like that? So we canned the project and he set it up. Seems pretty stupid to me though, selling computers with 4th gen i5, 8 GB memory, a 1 TB hard drive (these specs seem good, I think)....and then such a low power supply and no graphics card whatsoever. They always sold those kind of PCs, and the 4th gen CPU uses less power than all its predecessors.  Look in the box of the graphics card. There should be an adapter to turn two 4-pin Molex connectors into a PCI-E power connector. It's an Y-cable. Two sets of cables come out of the PCI-E power connector side. I looked up a picture of that HD 7790 you have, and it should just need one of those adapters, so you just need two 4-pin Molex on the PSU. The PSU should have that. About the PSU requirements, look at its label. It has a spec sheet on there. Look for the 12V section. That is what the CPU and GPU use. That 300W PSU might not be that bad if it does the 300W it mentions on 12V. For example a Corsair CX430, it can only do 336W on 12V according to this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KuD2blo.png) If it does not say Watts, you need to take the Amps mentioned and multiply by 12. In that CX430 example picture, that would be 12V*28A=336W | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
If you run 'Auto' memory voltage, it runs my DDR3-1333 c7 at >2.1v regardless of Speed/Latency. Under 2v I can't even boot into windows. Looks like I need new RAM t.t | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On October 25 2013 10:26 Brett wrote: It's been a while since I originally posted, but I ended up getting only one GTX780 Classified as there wasn't enough stock... Am now waiting to see what the performance of BF4 is like at launch, but I dare say I will want another card to SLI and head back up to ~120FPS. All major pc part retailers in Aus seem to have no stock and no ETA for these cards... What would everyone else recommend as an alternative to the Classified if I can't get my hands on another to pair up with my existing card? I haven't got my classified running at a particularly high OC (about 1250mhz) because it seems the voltage lock is an impediment to stability in games at higher clock speeds despite stability in testing (well known issue with games when using DX11 features on OC'd cards), so I probably could get away with 'non-top-of-range' 780's so long as they overclock reasonably well. Was considering this: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24887 Thoughts? Voltage lock? What voltage lock  Check out www.overclock.net, they'll guide you through what's safe etc. You can add a bit more juice than stock. 1250 is a good OC considering it's cleanly >30% faster than stock reference, but you can do more, 99% Before you make a purchase though, make sure you're not CPU limited. Benchmark Battlefield 4 on 720p - A single 780 on 720p will perform better than two on 1080. If you don't have the framerates you want*, you're probably CPU limited. Unless they improved the game engine a lot, it won't be possible to consistently have >120fps, because the beta was terrible. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L6dSHWw.png) *^pm me a fraps frametimes.csv file if you want one of those graphs with a datapoint for every frame, they are super useful ^entirely CPU limited, 720p on 4770k @4.6ghz ht on, gtx770 @1293mhz. A lot of time at high FPS, but a lot of time below 60 sub-second too. That would still be there if i had two classified 780's on the build of the game i was playing, even if i had peaks of 200fps and my fps averaged to 100, so it would be quite a pointless upgrade I hear it improved, but don't have numbers on that. On October 25 2013 13:24 iTzSnypah wrote: Guess what I found out about my motherboard today? If you run 'Auto' memory voltage, it runs my DDR3-1333 c7 at >2.1v regardless of Speed/Latency. Under 2v I can't even boot into windows. Looks like I need new RAM t.t Sounds like you're having fun as always :D | ||
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