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I am doing a half rebuild on my PC including CPU, RAM, Board, SSD and HDD + Show Spoiler +
4770K, 16G (not exactly decided which), Samsung 840 EVO (not decided yet whether 250G or 500G), HDD from the usual manufacturer
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Where i have problems selecting is the motherboard because i don´t really get the point of them and i find it hard to judge them. For example the recommended board in this thread in the upper class: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H. I know its just an example build and that these boards are basically the same due to intel specifications but i don´t get why this was picked. Or why one board is 50€ more expensive then the other. Besides some Over clocking thing that aren´t interesting for me but cost for some reason 200€ more.
Thats also a point were tests aren´t that helpful and i am not really that smart into buying pc parts (seen in the 4770K and my "i will never overclock this thing with the chance of 99%" attitude ). Seriously i am stupid as fuck buying pc components, i bought a Phenom II X6 because "6 cores look cool in the task manager".
z87 is for oc, i7 is for when you need hyperthreading and 16gb RAM is for when you need more than 8. If you don't meet any of those, you'd go for a standard build (h87, i5, 8gb RAM)
A lot of boards are very similar, as long as it has features you want you probably won't notice difference
^will be an extension of it being CPU bound to a large degree. I'd actually like benchmarks showing frametimes now, maybe i'll grab bf4 and take some, because high end framerates dilute and inflate the low end when you measure in basic ways like that (vs charting frametimes)
On October 22 2013 17:38 USvBleakill wrote: I am doing a half rebuild on my PC including CPU, RAM, Board, SSD and HDD + Show Spoiler +
4770K, 16G (not exactly decided which), Samsung 840 EVO (not decided yet whether 250G or 500G), HDD from the usual manufacturer
.
Where i have problems selecting is the motherboard because i don´t really get the point of them and i find it hard to judge them. For example the recommended board in this thread in the upper class: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H. I know its just an example build and that these boards are basically the same due to intel specifications but i don´t get why this was picked. Or why one board is 50€ more expensive then the other. Besides some Over clocking thing that aren´t interesting for me but cost for some reason 200€ more.
Thats also a point were tests aren´t that helpful and i am not really that smart into buying pc parts (seen in the 4770K and my "i will never overclock this thing with the chance of 99%" attitude ). Seriously i am stupid as fuck buying pc components, i bought a Phenom II X6 because "6 cores look cool in the task manager".
well, the difference in price between motherboards comes from the oc possibilities (which you don't care about ), pci ports configurations, as well as the quality of components which the manufacturer uses. sure they all meet intel's standards, but, for example, gigabyte used texas instruments' firewire chip on their x58 motherboards (which is the only way to go). unfortunately, they don't do that anymore
On October 22 2013 18:40 Cyro wrote: z87 is for oc, i7 is for when you need hyperthreading and 16gb RAM is for when you need more than 8. If you don't meet any of those, you'd go for a standard build (h87, i5, 8gb RAM)
A lot of boards are very similar, as long as it has features you want you probably won't notice difference
he pretty much summed up all you have to know and do. the i7 nails it when it comes to floating point operations (video and audio rendering are floating point operations).
I did it. 4.1Ghz stable with IBT. Only required a stupid scary 1.575v Vcore(bios) and dropping my RAM divider (and thus speed) to make my Northbridge change from the 200 strap to the 266 strap (raising my tRD of the NB from 6 to 8). Truthfully I'm pretty scared that the chip is going to die, if it does I'll just get a Q6600 or put my X6800 back in. On a side note my motherboard hates a BLCK of 345-368. 373 is magical though. I could boot into windows with super low voltage (comparatively) of 1.4375v.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Pearl Black CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570k (3.4 GHz) GPU : VTX3D Radeon HD 7950 OC X-Edition, 3 Go MB: MSI Z77A-G45 Memory:it Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W Heatsink: Thermalright True Spirit 120
The total price is... 999,99€ ! Like a true salesman.
I'm still not sure about the GPU, I probably don't need the 3 Go and I really don't know what to think of VTX, and I don't know if an overclocked version is really worth it. I even had a hard time finding reviews! It's the cheapest I've found though. My other options were the Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3 Go, "with boost", and the MSI GeForce 760, 2Go, OC. Should I opt for a slightly more expensive, safer model? I also had a hard time choosing the motherboard, is there anything wrong with it? And finally, one last question : can I get a better GPU for my girlfriend? I'd like her to have a good experience on high settings.
Is there much of a difference between 2x4Gbs ram kits or simply getting using two single sticks of 4gb ram?
I'm just seeing some bundles and they don't specify whether its a kit or whether I'm just getting two single sticks, and I'm not too sure if there would be a difference.
On October 23 2013 02:25 mRpolite wrote: he pretty much summed up all you have to know and do. the i7 nails it when it comes to floating point operations (video and audio rendering are floating point operations).
Well, it's not like the i7 is faster with floating point operations or has more hardware. I guess the hyperthreading could make sure the floating point units are kept more busy during some workloads...
Depends on the video encoder, but a lot of the operations are actually integer.
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Pearl Black CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570k (3.4 GHz) GPU : VTX3D Radeon HD 7950 OC X-Edition, 3 Go MB: MSI Z77A-G45 Memory:it Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W Heatsink: Thermalright True Spirit 120
The total price is... 999,99€ ! Like a true salesman.
I'm still not sure about the GPU, I probably don't need the 3 Go and I really don't know what to think of VTX, and I don't know if an overclocked version is really worth it. I even had a hard time finding reviews! It's the cheapest I've found though. My other options were the Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3 Go, "with boost", and the MSI GeForce 760, 2Go, OC. Should I opt for a slightly more expensive, safer model? I also had a hard time choosing the motherboard, is there anything wrong with it? And finally, one last question : can I get a better GPU for my girlfriend? I'd like her to have a good experience on high settings.
Thanks for your help, it is appreciated.
VTX is often the cheapest option because they're a regional brand specializing in not spending money on developing or producing custom coolers / PCBs, sending stuff to reviewers, doing good postsale support, or anything like that costs money like that. It's a brand created by TUL, which also owns Powercolor, which is also known for relatively cheap stuff but maybe a bit less so.
Overclocked version isn't worth it. The rest looks fine.
On October 23 2013 10:12 DropTester wrote: I have a question about ram,
Is there much of a difference between 2x4Gbs ram kits or simply getting using two single sticks of 4gb ram?
I'm just seeing some bundles and they don't specify whether its a kit or whether I'm just getting two single sticks, and I'm not too sure if there would be a difference.
RAM has to meet certain standards for interoperability, so even mixing and matching is usually fine (unless one set has slower timings than another and you need to run things at the slower rates). But if you're getting two sticks packaged together as opposed to the same brand's identical model single stick x2, you're getting the same product either way. It's the same, just different packaging.
Hey guys, I could use some advice for my upgrade. My current build (Intel Q9400, 4GB RAM, no SSD) feels a bit slow at times and the long winter evenings are coming, so I want to play some new games. I will also work with photos/video from my DSLR, but nothing professional. I use 1920x1200 and plan to overclock. My budget isn't set, but I prefer good price/performance ratio, which seems to be around 500-600€.
I already have: GPU - SAPPHIRE HD 7950 VAPOR-X OC BOOST 3GB SSD - Samsung 840 pro 256GB HDD - Western Digital Red 3TB
I think I could use these from my old build: PSU - Enermax MODU82+ 625W CPU cooler - Noctua U12P + mounting kit LGA115x DVD drive - Samsung SH-S223Q
And this is what I came up with: CPU - Intel i5 4670K Memory - Crucial 16GB (2x8) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Ballistix Sport Case - Fractal Define Mini, Corsair Obsidian 350D/Carbide 330R MB - Asus Z87M-PLUS, Gigabyte Z87M-D3H/HD3 or some ATX MB?
I think CPU is pretty clear, some also offer change of thermal compound under IHS as a service for 25€ or so, is it worth it for overclocking? Memory - maybe 8GB could be enough, but I think I will need more eventually, so why not. I want smaller case with more conservative looks, not necessarily mATX only, it should be quiet when idle, but have good airflow for overclocking. I already have Scythe Kaze Master as fan regulator. I'll be using max. 2 HDDs, so removable or small HDD cage is a plus for airflow. Motherboard choice depends if I get mATX only case, but it will be Z87 chipset for sure. One additional requirement which I have is a PCI/PCIe x1 slot for sound card. This is problem for many mATX MBs, because GPU takes 2 slots and often there's only big PCIe slots left. These are useless to me, since I don't plan any SLI/CF configuration. Also is it worth to buy more expensive ones? Reviews only show little differences, maybe better VRM or cooling. Need help here.
Hey guys, I could use some advice for my upgrade. My current build (Intel Q9400, 4GB RAM, no SSD) feels a bit slow at times and the long winter evenings are coming, so I want to play some new games. I will also work with photos/video from my DSLR, but nothing professional. I use 1920x1200 and plan to overclock. My budget isn't set, but I prefer good price/performance ratio, which seems to be around 500-600€.
I already have: GPU - SAPPHIRE HD 7950 VAPOR-X OC BOOST 3GB SSD - Samsung 840 pro 256GB HDD - Western Digital Red 3TB
I think I could use these from my old build: PSU - Enermax MODU82+ 625W CPU cooler - Noctua U12P + mounting kit LGA115x DVD drive - Samsung SH-S223Q
And this is what I came up with: CPU - Intel i5 4670K Memory - Crucial 16GB (2x8) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Ballistix Sport Case - Fractal Define Mini, Corsair Obsidian 350D/Carbide 330R MB - Asus Z87M-PLUS, Gigabyte Z87M-D3H/HD3 or some ATX MB?
I think CPU is pretty clear, some also offer change of thermal compound under IHS as a service for 25€ or so, is it worth it for overclocking? Memory - maybe 8GB could be enough, but I think I will need more eventually, so why not. I want smaller case with more conservative looks, not necessarily mATX only, it should be quiet when idle, but have good airflow for overclocking. I already have Scythe Kaze Master as fan regulator. I'll be using max. 2 HDDs, so removable or small HDD cage is a plus for airflow. Motherboard choice depends if I get mATX only case, but it will be Z87 chipset for sure. One additional requirement which I have is a PCI/PCIe x1 slot for sound card. This is problem for many mATX MBs, because GPU takes 2 slots and often there's only big PCIe slots left. These are useless to me, since I don't plan any SLI/CF configuration. Also is it worth to buy more expensive ones? Reviews only show little differences, maybe better VRM or cooling. Need help here.
Looks solid. As you said 8gb ram is enough to get by, but perhaps photo/vid editing will need more.
I did some looking into matx mobos and came to the conclusion that the Asus gryphon z87 was the sweet spot for being able to O/C well but not being stupidly expensive. But that was Aus prices, not sure how it shapes up in Europe.
As far as I'm concerned, you know more about computers than I do. q_q
From pure bias, I would suggest going with a Gigabyte motherboard since they seem to be universially recommended. Also from bias I would want you to get Fractal Design's Mini just because I love their cases and I want them to get more money to continue making cases.
Tbh the only real advice I could give you is to look into delidding your CPU instead of spending €25 on that service. I'm not telling you that you should delid, mind you. I'm just saying it might be worth doing some research about delidding CPUs, so that you can make up your own mind. You can get pretty amazing temperature gains from it (~20°C).
Lol even with my experience, I don't have any desire to de-lid just yet. I don't think it's really necessary until you are at 4.7Ghz or higher. (I have a 4.5Ghz 4670K under a D14)
Cyro's sitting at 4.7, if I recall correctly and hasn't delidded either.
On October 24 2013 00:51 mav451 wrote: Lol even with my experience, I don't have any desire to de-lid just yet. I don't think it's really necessary until you are at 4.7Ghz or higher. (I have a 4.5Ghz 4670K under a D14)
Cyro's sitting at 4.7, if I recall correctly and hasn't delidded either.
Depends on your CPU chip lottery though, but yeah.
I have 4.5ghz pretty much stable at 1.23 vcore, so it stays nice and cool. I think I can get 4.6/4.7 stable, but I don't know enough about the other settings, cause I felt that my vcore was getting a bit high, possibly higher than it needed to compared to the rest of the clocks. Those would be my upper limits, they were pulling between 75 and 83 in x264. (1.3-1.34 vcore).
The temp drop is nice but i wouldn't do it unless the chip scaled. My temps @4.8ghz ht off are like the same as 4.6 ht on, even though i need aggressive voltage scaling to get there, but i can't stabilize it regardless of voltage/temperatures (can only get "halfway" there and then stop seeing returns) because of weird stuff i dont and apparently nobody understands
Also, it's kinda hard for delidding services. If they offer a warranty on the CPU (i break it, i get you a new one) then they can't make good profit, because they'd lose the profit from delidding a dozen or more cpu's just because a single one broke in a freak accident.
^If they don't offer warranty, you're paying somebody else to do something with your CPU that you should be learning about anyway, and can do with your own hands, and have to deal with shipping, and then you have to do stuff like being careful putting CPU in socket (because IHS slides) and maybe maintaining the paste which would mean removing and reapplying (and also buying your own paste for like another 10 euros)
I don't really like some things in the destiny vid, he's using the wrong type of vice, CLP instead of CLU etc. Almost all of the issues with people delidding are from using the wrong kind of vice or formerly, the wrong type of blade, and only a few have been lost in freak accidents with the right equipment and research, so it seems silly not to do it right IMO
On October 24 2013 13:10 skyR wrote: I like how Anand always releases unfinished articles now.
It's because they have tons of useless filler. Seriously all they need is 3/4 game graphs, power temp and noise, and OC potential. That would take maybe 300-500 words, yet they insist on 2k+.
EPT
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