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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 21 2013 19:12 GMT
#1441
Coo-cool, thank you both for answering my plethora of questions. ^^
maru lover forever
colblitz
Profile Joined June 2011
United States41 Posts
October 21 2013 21:11 GMT
#1442
What is the difference in case fans between fans branded for airflow vs static pressure? e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181020
vs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181024

Also, anyone have any experience with the Enermax Silence fans? Are they as quiet as they claim?
JulsFoF
Profile Joined April 2011
49 Posts
October 21 2013 21:18 GMT
#1443
On October 22 2013 06:11 colblitz wrote:
What is the difference in case fans between fans branded for airflow vs static pressure? e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181020
vs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181024

Also, anyone have any experience with the Enermax Silence fans? Are they as quiet as they claim?


airflow fans are intented to be used as case fans
static pressure fans are for radiators
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 21:29:44
October 21 2013 21:28 GMT
#1444
It's essentially just marketing.

Ultimately what's in question here is if the fan can push air adequately through an obstruction (i.e. a radiator), but the branding is really irrelevant to whether a fan accomplishes this.
twitch.tv/cratonz
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 21:32:11
October 21 2013 21:31 GMT
#1445
On October 22 2013 06:18 JulsFoF wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2013 06:11 colblitz wrote:
What is the difference in case fans between fans branded for airflow vs static pressure? e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181020
vs
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181024

Also, anyone have any experience with the Enermax Silence fans? Are they as quiet as they claim?


airflow fans are intented to be used as case fans
static pressure fans are for radiators


Not necessarily. High static pressure fans also do well as case fans for certain setups.

Basically, you want high static pressure if you're pushing air through a restrictive space (eg. fins on a heatsink).
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
October 22 2013 00:14 GMT
#1446
Hi everyone,

A couple of months ago, I requested you help to build my GF's computer, which went really smoothly. She's very happy with it and it was a perfect gift, thanks to all of you !
Now comes part two : initially, there was no GPU included, because she's really not that of a gamer. But I got her hooked on The Witcher, and now she wants to play 2 and 3. Plus, the Sims 4 are coming up. So the idea was that I would get her a GPU to prepare for this important event in the life of a young woman.

Here are her specs :
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000
CPU: Processeur Intel Core i3 3220 (3.3 GHz)
MB: Carte mère Asus P8B75-M LX
Memory: Mémoire DDR3 TopAchat, 4 Go, PC3-10666
SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840, 250 Go, SATA III
HDD: Disque dur TopAchat, 640 Go
PWR: Corsair CX430, 430 W

Many thanks in advance !

... wait.
I also have decided that I need a badass computer that can help me in becoming a less social being. Here's what I'm thinking about :

Budget : 1000€ (approx. 1350$)
Resolution : 1920x1200
Use : gaming (up to a game like Rome II Total War), HD editing and use of Adobe softwares
Upgrade cycle : long, very long (3 years maybe)
When will I build it : hopefully in two weeks max
Overclocking : I guess... I guess it's time to learn about it.
OS : Windows 7 (I'm not ready for 8)
Second GPU : no
Where will I buy everything : Paris, France. Probably Top Achat.

Here's a build I made off the top of my head :
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Pearl Black
CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570 (3.4 GHz)
GPU : Carte graphique MSI GeForce GTX 760 Twin Frozr OC GAMING
MB: Carte mère ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Memory:it Dual Channel DDR3 Corsair XMS3
SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III
HDD: Disque dur Seagate Barracuda, 1 To
PWR: Corsair TX650, 650W

The important point for me would be durability. I plan on understanding my computer, taking care of it and upgrading it regularly, as I need a good performance both for my leisure and for my work. The total is of roughly 1011€, and if I can make some cuts I will, that way I can add good speakers too.

Once again, great thread, and thanks for helping people out.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
October 22 2013 00:34 GMT
#1447
The low air pressure fans are good for pretty much nothing. Wherever you mount a fan, there's always a dust filter, some sort of grating in the case, the fins of a cooler. You'll need good air pressure on the fan. Air flow will always be cut down a lot, so that part of the spec is a little unimportant.

The only place I can imagine for them is perhaps on the back of the case with the grating being cut out. But I guess it still might not beat the fan with pressure, just have less noise. The normal fan is just more flexible, can be used everywhere.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
October 22 2013 01:52 GMT
#1448
On October 20 2013 16:11 Ropid wrote:
The Haswell die looks like this: http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Intel-Haswell-Core.jpg

Normally, the first and fourth cores are colder as the second and third get cooked by their neighbors. I guess the graphics on the CPU are off for most people. You should compare after you get your graphics card.

The GFlops reported by IBT are very low. You didn't yet update your Windows 7? This needs to be done to enable the use of the AVX instruction set of your CPU. After you do that, the temperature of IBT will go through the roof, so be prepared for that.

+ Show Spoiler [about stress testing and overclocking] +

If I were you, I wouldn't touch IBT anymore. What it does is just severely off compared to normal programs. It does nothing useful, just tries to get the highest GFlops score for "linpack". It's an old supercomputer benchmark. The Haswell CPUs squeeze out a good bit more performance out of those AVX instructions compared to past CPUs, but that does not come free. The heat will be massive and you will hit the temperature limits and the CPU will throttle.

You should test for heat by encoding videos with x264. That is also strongly optimized, uses AVX and all CPU cores. There's a "x264 benchmark" package floating around with script files to run a test unattended.

In the Windows event viewer, there's "WHEA-Logger" warnings that can happen without the PC crashing. You should check for those regularly if you are not yet convinced your PC runs stable.

For testing stability, I've seen people say chess engines work very well. Those are optimized by hand, are very good at provoking "WHEA-Logger" events if the PC is not quite stable. They don't use floating point instructions so the CPU won't get super hot. It might be annoying to hunt down the required programs and configure them: "arena chess gui" and engines "stockfish", "rybka", "critter", "houdini" (some old versions of the commercial engines are free). Arena can run automated engine tournaments.

I can only confirm those chess engines also work excellent for sniffing out instability on Ivy Bridge. On my CPU, half an hour of chess seems to be a better test than half a day of prime95.

Thanks for that
Kind of getting a hang of what exactly I'm doing now, and what some of it means.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 02:25:28
October 22 2013 02:24 GMT
#1449
On October 22 2013 09:14 Kukaracha wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi everyone,

A couple of months ago, I requested you help to build my GF's computer, which went really smoothly. She's very happy with it and it was a perfect gift, thanks to all of you !
Now comes part two : initially, there was no GPU included, because she's really not that of a gamer. But I got her hooked on The Witcher, and now she wants to play 2 and 3. Plus, the Sims 4 are coming up. So the idea was that I would get her a GPU to prepare for this important event in the life of a young woman.

Here are her specs :
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000
CPU: Processeur Intel Core i3 3220 (3.3 GHz)
MB: Carte mère Asus P8B75-M LX
Memory: Mémoire DDR3 TopAchat, 4 Go, PC3-10666
SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840, 250 Go, SATA III
HDD: Disque dur TopAchat, 640 Go
PWR: Corsair CX430, 430 W

Many thanks in advance !

... wait.
I also have decided that I need a badass computer that can help me in becoming a less social being. Here's what I'm thinking about :

Budget : 1000€ (approx. 1350$)
Resolution : 1920x1200
Use : gaming (up to a game like Rome II Total War), HD editing and use of Adobe softwares
Upgrade cycle : long, very long (3 years maybe)
When will I build it : hopefully in two weeks max
Overclocking : I guess... I guess it's time to learn about it.
OS : Windows 7 (I'm not ready for 8)
Second GPU : no
Where will I buy everything : Paris, France. Probably Top Achat.

Here's a build I made off the top of my head :
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Pearl Black
CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570 (3.4 GHz)
GPU : Carte graphique MSI GeForce GTX 760 Twin Frozr OC GAMING
MB: Carte mère ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Memory:it Dual Channel DDR3 Corsair XMS3
SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III
HDD: Disque dur Seagate Barracuda, 1 To
PWR: Corsair TX650, 650W

The important point for me would be durability. I plan on understanding my computer, taking care of it and upgrading it regularly, as I need a good performance both for my leisure and for my work. The total is of roughly 1011€, and if I can make some cuts I will, that way I can add good speakers too.

Once again, great thread, and thanks for helping people out.


A GTX 650 Ti Boost or Radeon HD7850 for your girlfriend.

For your build;

You need a 3570k to overclock. You'll also need an aftermarket heatsink like a Noctua NH-U14S or Thermalright Macho / True Spirit 140.

Corsair XMS3 is typically bad (overpriced, maybe 1.65v or higher than cas9).

A 650w power supply isn't necessary if you won't be doing SLI / Crossfire. Look into getting a ~500w unit like a Superflower Golden Green or Seasonic G.

A Radeon HD7950 may be a better value than a GTX 760.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
October 22 2013 04:28 GMT
#1450
I played the chip lottery and I think I lost (voltage wise). Well guys my E7500 came and after spending a ridiculously long time figuring out how to flash my BIOS I was disheartened to see when I started up Core Temp, a VID of 1.2750v. Trash. Now my X6800 is utter trash with a VID of 1.3250v. You would think a process change (45nm vs 65nm) and a transistor change (High-K vs whatever they had before) would make more of a difference in voltage require to run a chip at the same frequency (X6800 and E7500 are both 2.93Ghz stock).
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 22 2013 04:38 GMT
#1451
No Gigabyte Z77? It's ~€10 cheaper than the Extreme 4 (could be wrong depending on vendor I guess).

Highly suggest also looking into Amazon, I have no idea what kind of selection Top Achat has (is it online?). These 2 Ram sticks should get the job done; DDR3 1600 @1.5V:

http://www.amazon.fr/Corsair-CML8GX3M2A1600C9-Mémoire-Profile-Vengeance/dp/B00569K7LM/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1382374801&sr=1-3&keywords=ddr3 1600 8go

http://www.amazon.fr/Crucial-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU-Mémoire-PC3-12800-Ballistix/dp/B006YG94Y2/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1382374949&sr=1-4&keywords=ddr3 1600 8go 1.5v

Consider another card other than GTX760, which is a bit pricey compared to other cards.
maru lover forever
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 05:06:37
October 22 2013 05:00 GMT
#1452
How is this motherboard?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130698

1) regarding the price for the item (factoring in like is it overpriced etc etc)
and
2) disregarding the price. (w/o considering the price, but as a motherboard overall)


EDIT: what is a good site for reading various mobo reviews? everytime i try to find a review for a mobo, there is none, only for the Z boards.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 22 2013 05:10 GMT
#1453
There's no point in reviewing H series boards because they're practically all the same.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
October 22 2013 05:15 GMT
#1454
ahhh okay i see.
atm, im just trying to see if people are having trouble with the kinds of boards im trying to get. but its hard to find them
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 22 2013 05:16 GMT
#1455
That's what Newegg is for.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
October 22 2013 05:20 GMT
#1456
yeah but new egg usually has like 5 reviews on boards thats like in tye $70-$90 range
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 05:44:00
October 22 2013 05:30 GMT
#1457
On October 22 2013 14:20 IMKR wrote:
yeah but new egg usually has like 5 reviews on boards thats like in tye $70-$90 range

Newegg reviews mean absolutely nothing. Stop putting your faith in them. Here's how newegg reviews are:

20% of the time they say it works.
80% of the time they say DOA garbage cry whine whine I'll be a dick and 1 egg it because I have no patience (with RMA process).


Also from my preliminary overclocking;

X6800 333x10 1.4v 70c max under IBT GTA IV: 35.42fps
E7500 333x11 1.375v 62c max under IBT GTA IV: 44.11fps

Damn new chip is cold.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 22 2013 05:37 GMT
#1458
People leave reviews voluntarily because (more or less) they have a strong opinion to one end or the other, so by that alone you're gonna get skewed results. That's not to mention accounting for actual knowledge and competency.

What's funny is that skyR here is saying to look at Newegg reviews, but will simultaneously denounce customer reviews as horrible. You can't have it both ways.
twitch.tv/cratonz
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 22 2013 05:43 GMT
#1459
If you're looking to see if others are having issues with the board than you have to look at Newegg reviews. Purchasing your products based solely on customer reviews is horrible.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 22 2013 05:50 GMT
#1460
On October 22 2013 14:00 IMKR wrote:
How is this motherboard?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130698

1) regarding the price for the item (factoring in like is it overpriced etc etc)
and
2) disregarding the price. (w/o considering the price, but as a motherboard overall)


EDIT: what is a good site for reading various mobo reviews? everytime i try to find a review for a mobo, there is none, only for the Z boards.


Never a good idea to think of any product without thinking of price. A Haswell Pentium is OK as of now, if Intel sells that for €5 it becomes amazing. Similarly, a €300 i5 4670 isn't that great at all. Etc
maru lover forever
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