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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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colblitz
United States41 Posts
vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181024 Also, anyone have any experience with the Enermax Silence fans? Are they as quiet as they claim? | ||
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JulsFoF
49 Posts
On October 22 2013 06:11 colblitz wrote: What is the difference in case fans between fans branded for airflow vs static pressure? e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181020 vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181024 Also, anyone have any experience with the Enermax Silence fans? Are they as quiet as they claim? airflow fans are intented to be used as case fans static pressure fans are for radiators | ||
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Craton
United States17296 Posts
Ultimately what's in question here is if the fan can push air adequately through an obstruction (i.e. a radiator), but the branding is really irrelevant to whether a fan accomplishes this. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 22 2013 06:18 JulsFoF wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 22 2013 06:11 colblitz wrote: What is the difference in case fans between fans branded for airflow vs static pressure? e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181020 vs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181024 Also, anyone have any experience with the Enermax Silence fans? Are they as quiet as they claim? airflow fans are intented to be used as case fans static pressure fans are for radiators Not necessarily. High static pressure fans also do well as case fans for certain setups. Basically, you want high static pressure if you're pushing air through a restrictive space (eg. fins on a heatsink). | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
A couple of months ago, I requested you help to build my GF's computer, which went really smoothly. She's very happy with it and it was a perfect gift, thanks to all of you ! Now comes part two : initially, there was no GPU included, because she's really not that of a gamer. But I got her hooked on The Witcher, and now she wants to play 2 and 3. Plus, the Sims 4 are coming up. So the idea was that I would get her a GPU to prepare for this important event in the life of a young woman. Here are her specs : Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 CPU: Processeur Intel Core i3 3220 (3.3 GHz) MB: Carte mère Asus P8B75-M LX Memory: Mémoire DDR3 TopAchat, 4 Go, PC3-10666 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Disque dur TopAchat, 640 Go PWR: Corsair CX430, 430 W Many thanks in advance ! ... wait. I also have decided that I need a badass computer that can help me in becoming a less social being. Here's what I'm thinking about : Budget : 1000€ (approx. 1350$) Resolution : 1920x1200 Use : gaming (up to a game like Rome II Total War), HD editing and use of Adobe softwares Upgrade cycle : long, very long (3 years maybe) When will I build it : hopefully in two weeks max Overclocking : I guess... I guess it's time to learn about it. OS : Windows 7 (I'm not ready for 8) Second GPU : no Where will I buy everything : Paris, France. Probably Top Achat. Here's a build I made off the top of my head : Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Pearl Black CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570 (3.4 GHz) GPU : Carte graphique MSI GeForce GTX 760 Twin Frozr OC GAMING MB: Carte mère ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Memory:it Dual Channel DDR3 Corsair XMS3 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Disque dur Seagate Barracuda, 1 To PWR: Corsair TX650, 650W The important point for me would be durability. I plan on understanding my computer, taking care of it and upgrading it regularly, as I need a good performance both for my leisure and for my work. The total is of roughly 1011€, and if I can make some cuts I will, that way I can add good speakers too. Once again, great thread, and thanks for helping people out. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The only place I can imagine for them is perhaps on the back of the case with the grating being cut out. But I guess it still might not beat the fan with pressure, just have less noise. The normal fan is just more flexible, can be used everywhere. | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On October 20 2013 16:11 Ropid wrote: The Haswell die looks like this: http://cdn2.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Intel-Haswell-Core.jpg Normally, the first and fourth cores are colder as the second and third get cooked by their neighbors. I guess the graphics on the CPU are off for most people. You should compare after you get your graphics card. The GFlops reported by IBT are very low. You didn't yet update your Windows 7? This needs to be done to enable the use of the AVX instruction set of your CPU. After you do that, the temperature of IBT will go through the roof, so be prepared for that. + Show Spoiler [about stress testing and overclocking] + If I were you, I wouldn't touch IBT anymore. What it does is just severely off compared to normal programs. It does nothing useful, just tries to get the highest GFlops score for "linpack". It's an old supercomputer benchmark. The Haswell CPUs squeeze out a good bit more performance out of those AVX instructions compared to past CPUs, but that does not come free. The heat will be massive and you will hit the temperature limits and the CPU will throttle. You should test for heat by encoding videos with x264. That is also strongly optimized, uses AVX and all CPU cores. There's a "x264 benchmark" package floating around with script files to run a test unattended. In the Windows event viewer, there's "WHEA-Logger" warnings that can happen without the PC crashing. You should check for those regularly if you are not yet convinced your PC runs stable. For testing stability, I've seen people say chess engines work very well. Those are optimized by hand, are very good at provoking "WHEA-Logger" events if the PC is not quite stable. They don't use floating point instructions so the CPU won't get super hot. It might be annoying to hunt down the required programs and configure them: "arena chess gui" and engines "stockfish", "rybka", "critter", "houdini" (some old versions of the commercial engines are free). Arena can run automated engine tournaments. I can only confirm those chess engines also work excellent for sniffing out instability on Ivy Bridge. On my CPU, half an hour of chess seems to be a better test than half a day of prime95. Thanks for that  Kind of getting a hang of what exactly I'm doing now, and what some of it means. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 22 2013 09:14 Kukaracha wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi everyone, A couple of months ago, I requested you help to build my GF's computer, which went really smoothly. She's very happy with it and it was a perfect gift, thanks to all of you ! Now comes part two : initially, there was no GPU included, because she's really not that of a gamer. But I got her hooked on The Witcher, and now she wants to play 2 and 3. Plus, the Sims 4 are coming up. So the idea was that I would get her a GPU to prepare for this important event in the life of a young woman. Here are her specs : Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 CPU: Processeur Intel Core i3 3220 (3.3 GHz) MB: Carte mère Asus P8B75-M LX Memory: Mémoire DDR3 TopAchat, 4 Go, PC3-10666 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Disque dur TopAchat, 640 Go PWR: Corsair CX430, 430 W Many thanks in advance ! ... wait. I also have decided that I need a badass computer that can help me in becoming a less social being. Here's what I'm thinking about : Budget : 1000€ (approx. 1350$) Resolution : 1920x1200 Use : gaming (up to a game like Rome II Total War), HD editing and use of Adobe softwares Upgrade cycle : long, very long (3 years maybe) When will I build it : hopefully in two weeks max Overclocking : I guess... I guess it's time to learn about it. OS : Windows 7 (I'm not ready for 8) Second GPU : no Where will I buy everything : Paris, France. Probably Top Achat. Here's a build I made off the top of my head : Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Pearl Black CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570 (3.4 GHz) GPU : Carte graphique MSI GeForce GTX 760 Twin Frozr OC GAMING MB: Carte mère ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Memory:it Dual Channel DDR3 Corsair XMS3 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Disque dur Seagate Barracuda, 1 To PWR: Corsair TX650, 650W The important point for me would be durability. I plan on understanding my computer, taking care of it and upgrading it regularly, as I need a good performance both for my leisure and for my work. The total is of roughly 1011€, and if I can make some cuts I will, that way I can add good speakers too. Once again, great thread, and thanks for helping people out. A GTX 650 Ti Boost or Radeon HD7850 for your girlfriend. For your build; You need a 3570k to overclock. You'll also need an aftermarket heatsink like a Noctua NH-U14S or Thermalright Macho / True Spirit 140. Corsair XMS3 is typically bad (overpriced, maybe 1.65v or higher than cas9). A 650w power supply isn't necessary if you won't be doing SLI / Crossfire. Look into getting a ~500w unit like a Superflower Golden Green or Seasonic G. A Radeon HD7950 may be a better value than a GTX 760. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Highly suggest also looking into Amazon, I have no idea what kind of selection Top Achat has (is it online?). These 2 Ram sticks should get the job done; DDR3 1600 @1.5V: http://www.amazon.fr/Corsair-CML8GX3M2A1600C9-Mémoire-Profile-Vengeance/dp/B00569K7LM/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1382374801&sr=1-3&keywords=ddr3 1600 8go http://www.amazon.fr/Crucial-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00CEU-Mémoire-PC3-12800-Ballistix/dp/B006YG94Y2/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1382374949&sr=1-4&keywords=ddr3 1600 8go 1.5v Consider another card other than GTX760, which is a bit pricey compared to other cards. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130698 1) regarding the price for the item (factoring in like is it overpriced etc etc) and 2) disregarding the price. (w/o considering the price, but as a motherboard overall) EDIT: what is a good site for reading various mobo reviews? everytime i try to find a review for a mobo, there is none, only for the Z boards. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
atm, im just trying to see if people are having trouble with the kinds of boards im trying to get. but its hard to find them | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On October 22 2013 14:20 IMKR wrote: yeah but new egg usually has like 5 reviews on boards thats like in tye $70-$90 range Newegg reviews mean absolutely nothing. Stop putting your faith in them. Here's how newegg reviews are: 20% of the time they say it works. 80% of the time they say DOA garbage cry whine whine I'll be a dick and 1 egg it because I have no patience (with RMA process). Also from my preliminary overclocking; X6800 333x10 1.4v 70c max under IBT GTA IV: 35.42fps E7500 333x11 1.375v 62c max under IBT GTA IV: 44.11fps Damn new chip is cold. | ||
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Craton
United States17296 Posts
What's funny is that skyR here is saying to look at Newegg reviews, but will simultaneously denounce customer reviews as horrible. You can't have it both ways. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 22 2013 14:00 IMKR wrote: How is this motherboard? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130698 1) regarding the price for the item (factoring in like is it overpriced etc etc) and 2) disregarding the price. (w/o considering the price, but as a motherboard overall) EDIT: what is a good site for reading various mobo reviews? everytime i try to find a review for a mobo, there is none, only for the Z boards. Never a good idea to think of any product without thinking of price. A Haswell Pentium is OK as of now, if Intel sells that for €5 it becomes amazing. Similarly, a €300 i5 4670 isn't that great at all. Etc | ||
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