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United Kingdom20326 Posts
On November 26 2020 18:53 Harris1st wrote:Is now a decent time to upgrade (or when is?) I would like to keep my RTX 2060 (for now and upgrade GPU some time next year) as well as my Case and PSU and upgrade Mainboard, CPU and SSD SSD: Samsung EVO 1 TB super fast thing that looks like RAM CPU: no idea. Best bang for buck MoBo: Something that fits. With decent sound card. No WLAN needed RAM: Can I keep mine? Max: 500€ I want to play Cyberpunk obviously, as well as SC2, CS:GO and other older stuff. Pure gaming PC My build now: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LxDDo77.jpg)
When you can get a zen3 (probably a 5600x) at a good price. This would require a new mobo, but the same RAM would be usable. The performance increase for those games going from zen+ to zen3 is astronomical, like more than double. Kinda funny actually.
M.2 NVME ssd's are pretty good, too. I got one for the first time recently and my load times for windows, WoW etc very noticably improved. A lot of people say that they don't really help vs a good sata SSD, but i have a bunch of them which just don't perform on the same level. For example on the FF14 shadowbringers benchmark my 850 pro and all that will always report 11.X seconds to load but my m.2 NVME does it in 7.X seconds.
A b550 board would allow pci-e 4.0 to the GPU and the primary M.2 SSD slot.
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On November 26 2020 23:36 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2020 18:53 Harris1st wrote:Is now a decent time to upgrade (or when is?) I would like to keep my RTX 2060 (for now and upgrade GPU some time next year) as well as my Case and PSU and upgrade Mainboard, CPU and SSD SSD: Samsung EVO 1 TB super fast thing that looks like RAM CPU: no idea. Best bang for buck MoBo: Something that fits. With decent sound card. No WLAN needed RAM: Can I keep mine? Max: 500€ I want to play Cyberpunk obviously, as well as SC2, CS:GO and other older stuff. Pure gaming PC My build now: When you can get a zen3 (probably a 5600x) at a good price. This would require a new mobo, but the same RAM would be usable. The performance increase for those games going from zen+ to zen3 is astronomical, like more than double. Kinda funny actually. M.2 NVME ssd's are pretty good, too. I got one for the first time recently and my load times for windows, WoW etc very noticably improved. A lot of people say that they don't really help vs a good sata SSD, but i have a bunch of them which just don't perform on the same level. For example on the FF14 shadowbringers benchmark my 850 pro and all that will always report 11.X seconds to load but my m.2 NVME does it in 7.X seconds. A b550 board would allow pci-e 4.0 to the GPU and the primary M.2 SSD slot.
First of all: Thank you <3
Was looking for some Zen3 just now. Either out of stock or very overpriced 
Boards I have found:
ASUS TUF Gaming B550-Plus Mainboard Sockel AM4 / ASUS Prime B550-Plus Gaming Mainboard Sockel AM4
or WIFI
MSI MAG B550M Mortar WiFi
EDIT:
X570 for the same price as B550:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07SYSXQSY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1
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Are there still hardware shortages? When I visit scan.co.uk, some of items aren't price listed (e.g. new Ryzen processors or NVIDIA GTX 3070/80/90). Will this improve? I so want to upgrade my PC, but I feel like now isn't the time. :/
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On December 13 2020 06:54 SC-Shield wrote:
Are there still hardware shortages? When I visit scan.co.uk, some of items aren't price listed (e.g. new Ryzen processors or NVIDIA GTX 3070/80/90). Will this improve? I so want to upgrade my PC, but I feel like now isn't the time. :/
Odds are, February.
Ryzen 5000 is kinda coming in and out of stock, the 3000 series is stilll fulfilling backorders from near launch day at most retailers, and AMD 6000 series GPUs are nonexistent right now.
There won't be any discounts over Christmas on this stuff, because even at higher than MSRP prices, they're flying off shelves if they even land on the shelf.
Untiil well after the holiday season/holiday backorders, you aren't going to see the parts reliably on a shelf.
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Now definitely isn't the time if you have the option. I'd shoot for 2022 for not just backorders to clear but for global supply chains to improve and prices to go back down.
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Zurich15365 Posts
30 series RTX are trickling back into stock here but ryzen 5000 no chance. It's really pissing me off as I need a CPU upgrade badly.
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In scan.co.uk case, you got to remember that everyone is trying to buy as much as possible before the 1/1/2023 when suddenly we get hit with import duties and tariffs on just about everything. l've been checking other retailers too.
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I've been watching proshop for GPU availability. It's one site, but probably fairly broadly applicable across the industry:
https://www.proshop.de/RTX-30series-overview
https://www.proshop.de/AMD-Radeon-RX-6000-Series-overview
The 6000 series was a full out paper launch, the 30 series has been steadily delivering, but isn't going to finish all backorders until mid-Q1 at the earliest. Some models are less than a month behind in stock now, so it's not awful unless you're going for the hot models.
I've been seeing far more 5000 CPUs locally than GPUs, but that's anecdotal. Best of luck guys.
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France12911 Posts
On November 14 2020 12:54 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
maybe he means it supports 120 but isn't actually 120? I've read some 4k tvs that apparently have some sort of 120 support without actually being 120 Hz. I could be wrong though.
Yes that's what I meant. I managed to save some bucks waiting for black friday (postponed in france) deals and I ended up buying the tv. I don't have games that do 4k@120 yet (probably Dirt5 after I finished up other games) but so far it looks great, even though 1080p to 4k isn't as impressive as 1080p was when it first came out.
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On December 18 2020 20:24 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2020 12:54 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
maybe he means it supports 120 but isn't actually 120? I've read some 4k tvs that apparently have some sort of 120 support without actually being 120 Hz. I could be wrong though. Yes that's what I meant. I managed to save some bucks waiting for black friday (postponed in france) deals and I ended up buying the tv. I don't have games that do 4k@120 yet (probably Dirt5 after I finished up other games) but so far it looks great, even though 1080p to 4k isn't as impressive as 1080p was when it first came out.
glad to hear. Would love to hear how good it is once you get something running on it. Sales are definitely the best time to get stuff like tvs. I need to get something better for my room once I get something that can run 4k.
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Given that I am shooting for a 3080 and most of my computer time is gaming/streaming is it insane to pair it with a 5900x instead of a 5600x? The last time I build a computer (12 years ago) I kept the same cpu+board the whole time and just upgraded gpu/ram/ssd - I am wondering if that is still a viable plan?
I figure if I'm not going to get a new motherboard/ram for the life of this build I might as well get the best cpu for the socket and the 12 cores would carry me longer. Is that reasonable or would I be better off getting a 5600 now for half the price of the 5900 and then hoping the 5900 price drops in 5+ years? Or was I just lucky in getting a cpu last time that kept up well enough for a dozen years and I can't hope for that again?
All of this assuming I can get my hands on either one of course .,.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
Both will be quite bad relative to brand new stuff for gaming in 5 years, buying cheaper twice is more effective than buying expensive once. Of course, buying expensive both times is better still.
You should probably be encoding on the 3080 btw, not the CPU. It offers a higher game framerate, enormously reduced hardware load and similar quality.
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Hey all, looking for some computer advice.
I have a basic level of competency in managing my computer's hardware and software, but I built my PC in early 2013 and it's the same PC I've been using since then. I have been able to play pretty much any game I want on it on at least medium graphical settings with great performance, but I have recently (within the past 3 weeks) been getting significant performance issues across several games, including TW:W2, World of Warcraft, and several others. My framerate drops extremely low and things load very slowly, and I haven't been able to find any kind of fix. Because of this, I'm thinking that it might be time to upgrade some hardware, so some insight from more knowledgeable folks would be appreciated. I'd also like to know if people just think that I should build a new computer entirely or if I can get away with some upgrades.
What is your current build?
Motherboard = ASRock 277 Pro3
Processor = Intel Core i5-3570k CPU @ 3.40GHz
16 GB RAM
Video Card = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
64 bit Windows 10
SSD stores OS, HDD stores almost all games
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Smooth performance for games. My current framerate means that almost all of my games are choppy and also load very slowly.
What is your budget?
Maybe $500 for upgrades? This is a bit flexible.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S.A.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None.
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On January 21 2021 03:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Hey all, looking for some computer advice.
I have a basic level of competency in managing my computer's hardware and software, but I built my PC in early 2013 and it's the same PC I've been using since then. I have been able to play pretty much any game I want on it on at least medium graphical settings with great performance, but I have recently (within the past 3 weeks) been getting significant performance issues across several games, including TW:W2, World of Warcraft, and several others. My framerate drops extremely low and things load very slowly, and I haven't been able to find any kind of fix. Because of this, I'm thinking that it might be time to upgrade some hardware, so some insight from more knowledgeable folks would be appreciated. I'd also like to know if people just think that I should build a new computer entirely or if I can get away with some upgrades.
What is your current build?
Motherboard = ASRock 277 Pro3
Processor = Intel Core i5-3570k CPU @ 3.40GHz
16 GB RAM
Video Card = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
64 bit Windows 10
SSD stores OS, HDD stores almost all games
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Smooth performance for games. My current framerate means that almost all of my games are choppy and also load very slowly.
What is your budget?
Maybe $500 for upgrades? This is a bit flexible.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S.A.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None.
Rough time to upgrade. A full system is balls expensive right now, as are GPUs. Your resolution is really low though, so some upgrades you can do for now with some guesses as to what your bottlenecks are. Not everything on this list will fit inside your budget, but I'm focusing on things you can carry forwards to your next build (best time to build was last March, next best time is going to be a few months down the line).
1. SSD for games (load times) - A relatively large 1-2tb SSD to toss games on.
1TB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd1
2TB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gb2bt6/crucial-bx500-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2000bx500ssd1
This can be carried forwards into any new builds. I would not use it as a boot drive, but for a secondary games drive, it's perfect.
2. CPU cooler + small overclock if you're comfortable with that. This'll fit your current build, and can be carried forwards to new builds too - keep the CPU, but make it work a little harder
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk008
3. Monitor/GPU - Your monitor resolution is fairly low, but the GPU could use an upgrade.
An Nvidia 3060TI at $400-$450 is definitely the best upgrade you can get, alongside a new monitor for at least HD (1920x1080). This is impossible to get right now, but if you can find one in the next month or so, it's by far the best bang for buck upgrade you can get. A cheaper 3060 is announced for late February, but that's not going to be in stock til April at the earliest.
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On January 21 2021 03:53 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 03:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Hey all, looking for some computer advice.
I have a basic level of competency in managing my computer's hardware and software, but I built my PC in early 2013 and it's the same PC I've been using since then. I have been able to play pretty much any game I want on it on at least medium graphical settings with great performance, but I have recently (within the past 3 weeks) been getting significant performance issues across several games, including TW:W2, World of Warcraft, and several others. My framerate drops extremely low and things load very slowly, and I haven't been able to find any kind of fix. Because of this, I'm thinking that it might be time to upgrade some hardware, so some insight from more knowledgeable folks would be appreciated. I'd also like to know if people just think that I should build a new computer entirely or if I can get away with some upgrades.
What is your current build?
Motherboard = ASRock 277 Pro3
Processor = Intel Core i5-3570k CPU @ 3.40GHz
16 GB RAM
Video Card = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
64 bit Windows 10
SSD stores OS, HDD stores almost all games
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Smooth performance for games. My current framerate means that almost all of my games are choppy and also load very slowly.
What is your budget?
Maybe $500 for upgrades? This is a bit flexible.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S.A.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None. Rough time to upgrade. A full system is balls expensive right now, as are GPUs. Your resolution is really low though, so some upgrades you can do for now with some guesses as to what your bottlenecks are. Not everything on this list will fit inside your budget, but I'm focusing on things you can carry forwards to your next build (best time to build was last March, next best time is going to be a few months down the line). 1. SSD for games (load times) - A relatively large 1-2tb SSD to toss games on. 1TB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd12TB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gb2bt6/crucial-bx500-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2000bx500ssd1This can be carried forwards into any new builds. I would not use it as a boot drive, but for a secondary games drive, it's perfect. 2. CPU cooler + small overclock if you're comfortable with that. This'll fit your current build, and can be carried forwards to new builds too - keep the CPU, but make it work a little harder https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk0083. Monitor/GPU - Your monitor resolution is fairly low, but the GPU could use an upgrade. An Nvidia 3060TI at $400-$450 is definitely the best upgrade you can get, alongside a new monitor for at least HD (1920x1080). This is impossible to get right now, but if you can find one in the next month or so, it's by far the best bang for buck upgrade you can get. A cheaper 3060 is announced for late February, but that's not going to be in stock til April at the earliest.
Thanks for the advice.
I actually just found out that the cause of my performance problems was my CPU overheating. It was resting at ~80-90*C (max safe is 105*C). I found out it was doing this because a loose cord from another fan in my tower had looped around a blade on my motherboard fan and stopped it from running. Released it and all my performance problems are solved.
That said, I still want to improve my overall performance, so I'll keep these recommendations bookmarked. I can probably make it a couple months now so that prices can drop again.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
On January 21 2021 05:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2021 03:53 Lmui wrote:On January 21 2021 03:11 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Hey all, looking for some computer advice.
I have a basic level of competency in managing my computer's hardware and software, but I built my PC in early 2013 and it's the same PC I've been using since then. I have been able to play pretty much any game I want on it on at least medium graphical settings with great performance, but I have recently (within the past 3 weeks) been getting significant performance issues across several games, including TW:W2, World of Warcraft, and several others. My framerate drops extremely low and things load very slowly, and I haven't been able to find any kind of fix. Because of this, I'm thinking that it might be time to upgrade some hardware, so some insight from more knowledgeable folks would be appreciated. I'd also like to know if people just think that I should build a new computer entirely or if I can get away with some upgrades.
What is your current build?
Motherboard = ASRock 277 Pro3
Processor = Intel Core i5-3570k CPU @ 3.40GHz
16 GB RAM
Video Card = NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 Ti
64 bit Windows 10
SSD stores OS, HDD stores almost all games
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1600x900
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Smooth performance for games. My current framerate means that almost all of my games are choppy and also load very slowly.
What is your budget?
Maybe $500 for upgrades? This is a bit flexible.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S.A.
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
None. Rough time to upgrade. A full system is balls expensive right now, as are GPUs. Your resolution is really low though, so some upgrades you can do for now with some guesses as to what your bottlenecks are. Not everything on this list will fit inside your budget, but I'm focusing on things you can carry forwards to your next build (best time to build was last March, next best time is going to be a few months down the line). 1. SSD for games (load times) - A relatively large 1-2tb SSD to toss games on. 1TB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LFZzK8/crucial-bx500-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000bx500ssd12TB - https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gb2bt6/crucial-bx500-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2000bx500ssd1This can be carried forwards into any new builds. I would not use it as a boot drive, but for a secondary games drive, it's perfect. 2. CPU cooler + small overclock if you're comfortable with that. This'll fit your current build, and can be carried forwards to new builds too - keep the CPU, but make it work a little harder https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk0083. Monitor/GPU - Your monitor resolution is fairly low, but the GPU could use an upgrade. An Nvidia 3060TI at $400-$450 is definitely the best upgrade you can get, alongside a new monitor for at least HD (1920x1080). This is impossible to get right now, but if you can find one in the next month or so, it's by far the best bang for buck upgrade you can get. A cheaper 3060 is announced for late February, but that's not going to be in stock til April at the earliest. Thanks for the advice. I actually just found out that the cause of my performance problems was my CPU overheating. It was resting at ~80-90*C (max safe is 105*C). I found out it was doing this because a loose cord from another fan in my tower had looped around a blade on my motherboard fan and stopped it from running. Released it and all my performance problems are solved. That said, I still want to improve my overall performance, so I'll keep these recommendations bookmarked. I can probably make it a couple months now so that prices can drop again.
Would recommend a storage SSD for games. The minimum requirement for WoW is technically an SSD because of the amount of people putting in support tickets about slow loading and framerate drops that were caused by hard drives. It helps a lot for everything, doesn't cost that much and lasts longer than other hardware.
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Well, I finally got my build together:
+ Show Spoiler +
There's still some work to do.
1. I ordered better fan filters from aliexpress, those are shipping, and I'll need to disassemble part of this to install them
2. I've turned on XMP and that's it for performance settings
3. I ran out of cable combs (Some of the PSU cables are loose), I need to 3d print a few more
4. There's some impingement on a fan from a cable. It's gone away now, but I need to tie up the loose cables to prevent it from coming back.
I don't think I need to get a new cooler for now, I don't do anything CPU intensive enough to warrant it. I'll undervolt it eventually and let it be.
A 5600X is a monster though, the only game I really play regularly (League of Legends) went from ~160 FPS with a i5 4670k to ~550 FPS uncapped. I'm capping it at 240hz though and the noise level is pretty tame, even with the stock cooler.
I do need the HDD, so unfortunately, it'll take up a spot on top of the PSU.
Overall, I'm quite happy with the size of the build, but I don't know how anyone deals with a case any smaller than this really. It was already a bit of a struggle to put together, and I know computers pretty well. A lot of the components have to be wired up in specific orders, otherwise they block access to other connectors. I still had to use needlenose pliers to get some cables inserted as they got nudged out of place. by other stuff moving around. Way too many hours of work put into it.
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I have Ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2070, could you recommend a PSU from Bestbuy? I have a gift card that I'd like to use, so hopefully picking something up from there.
If there is something way superior elsewhere, I'll strongly consider it.
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Corsair and EVGA generally sell decent PSUs (BB lists many of these). They also have some Seasonic which tend to be good quality and are often resold under many of the other brands. You should be fine with one of those.
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