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It's a few % points better, but quality isn't linear in price.
You will generally never make up the difference in electricity bills.
Where you make the difference up is in:
Peace of mind: Both are good quality, but seasonic is still better, and has a longer warranty
Silence: it's ~5% better, 85% vs 90%, but keep in mind the gold unit wastes ~10% of input power vs ~15% at 50% load, that's around 1/3 less power emitted by the PSU, and therefore less cooling required. That allows for the fanless modes at low load.
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On February 19 2021 02:19 Lmui wrote:It's a few % points better, but quality isn't linear in price. You will generally never make up the difference in electricity bills. Where you make the difference up is in: Peace of mind: Both are good quality, but seasonic is still better, and has a longer warranty Silence: it's ~5% better, 85% vs 90%, but keep in mind the gold unit wastes ~10% of input power vs ~15% at 50% load, that's around 1/3 less power emitted by the PSU, and therefore less cooling required. That allows for the fanless modes at low load.
Thanks, solid advice. I said I'm future-proofing, but now I'm starting to think it might be stupid. 750W will not be enough for 5900X with a 3080.
Would you say I'm better off with this (the price difference is noticeable):
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-br-series-700w-atx12v-eps12v-80-plus-power-supply-dc-dc-technology-black/6346160.p?skuId=6346160
And what about cable connectors to GPU, I know some of them have a split cable, which I hear is not ideal.
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The biggest issue with the PSU is not neccesarily efficiency, but stuff like voltage regulation (how close the voltage supply is to target), ripple and transients (how much the voltage varies when loaded).
Single cables and/or having capacitors in the ends of the power cables helps with voltage regulation under load. A lot of PSU's that aren't so good have trouble with that when using certain high-powered graphics cards, even if their rating is hundreds of watts above the average power draw required. I would not trust one of those EVGA BR units for an OC'd 3080, especially given the relative price of the two components now.
750W will not be enough for 5900X with a 3080.
That really depends on if you are doing a max power OC on the graphics card or not. Increasing the board power from 300w to 450w gets about 10% perf at best for the +50% power. Even with OC it would be fine but i got an 850w unit so that i could have six 6+2 pins and never think about it again myself.
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On February 19 2021 06:24 Cyro wrote:The biggest issue with the PSU is not neccesarily efficiency, but stuff like voltage regulation (how close the voltage supply is to target), ripple and transients (how much the voltage varies when loaded). Single cables and/or having capacitors in the ends of the power cables helps with voltage regulation under load. A lot of PSU's that aren't so good have trouble with that when using certain high-powered graphics cards, even if their rating is hundreds of watts above the average power draw required. I would not trust one of those EVGA BR units for an OC'd 3080, especially given the relative price of the two components now. That really depends on if you are doing a max power OC on the graphics card or not. Increasing the board power from 300w to 450w gets about 10% perf at best for the +50% power. Even with OC it would be fine but i got an 850w unit so that i could have six 6+2 pins and never think about it again myself.
Thanks, I'll get the 750W Seasonic then, I feel convinced 
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As some one who is looking into a new custom build, it's crazy to see my six year old GPU cost basically 3x what I bought it for, and no current GPU's available 
I'm honestly thinking of just updating my RAM and waiting till 2022... but i honestly need a new GPU too.
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Yeah these are some dark times. My 3080 near MSRP shipped in november and i could either flip it for 150% of what i paid no problem or pay it off from mining in downtime i think.
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It's really the worst, I haven't experienced shortage like this ever for popular products. Like it's virtually impossible to get a PS5 at retail price in anywhere in, like, Europe. And no signs that it's going to get any better.
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I expect supply of PS5s and Xbox's to improve as the year goes on. It's a little rough right now because some manufacturing stopped over chinese new year, but there's finite demand, and continuous supply from here on out. I think GPUs are not going to improve though until Ethereum crashes, or AMD somehow gets enough TSMC wafers to increase their GPU supply since the new AMD GPUs are mediocre at mining compared to Nvidia GPUs.
It's about as bad as the last coin mining craze, not much you can do.
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But it's across the board this time. GPUs, consoles, 95**x ryzens have been unavailable for months now. Industry, especially car makes report they have to reduce production for lack of chips. It's crazy. Sure it'll eventually get better but there is just so much backorder to fill across to board and it's not like new demand will want to wait. Definitely worse than the last mining boom.
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Trying to help my girlfriends kid build his first computer. Have put together a build around the budget we have, but it has been quite a few years since I last built my own, so I would like to get confirmation that this is a decent build for the budget that will serve a gaming-interested kid for the next years. As well as make sure everything actually fits together and will work without any major issues or obvious downsides because of parts not "playing well together".
What is your budget?
Rougly 1200$
What is your monitor's native resolution?
2560x1440
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Fortnite, Overwatch, Apex, Minecraft - all on high or more. This is a kid growing up in this modern gaming world, so he is likely to play, or at least try a lot the "new and hot" games coming for the foreseeable future. But he is not the type to jump into every new AAA game and crank it up to ultra. The important part is that he can play these modern games with his friends on a high quality with good fps - and the computer can live for 5-10 years doing so.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Some very, very light video editing, and potentially a bit of coding. These are not a first priority, and important not to put too much weight into. He has dabbled in video editing and coding out of curiosity and fun, as a hobby from time to time.
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
These are techs I know very little about, so then, I think the answer here is No.
Do you need an operating system?
Windows
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Already owns a monitor.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Preferes GeForce for GPU (se build list)
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Norway
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
dustinhome.no / komplett.no . These are not set in stone, but the only ones I know of and use in Norway.
The build:
CPU: Intel i15 10400F
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200Mhz
GPU: GeForce GTX 1660 Super
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 UD
SSD: Kingston 480GB 2.5''
Powersupply: Gigabyte P750GM
Case: Factal Design Focus G Window
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Paste: Cooler Master HTK-002-U1
Note, we are already pushing the budget, so for cases where "just a bit more money for a better part", we would need to lower the price on some other part.
Thank you for the help!
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On February 25 2021 17:33 blae000 wrote:Trying to help my girlfriends kid build his first computer. Have put together a build around the budget we have, but it has been quite a few years since I last built my own, so I would like to get confirmation that this is a decent build for the budget that will serve a gaming-interested kid for the next years. As well as make sure everything actually fits together and will work without any major issues or obvious downsides because of parts not "playing well together". What is your budget?Rougly 1200$ What is your monitor's native resolution?2560x1440 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Fortnite, Overwatch, Apex, Minecraft - all on high or more. This is a kid growing up in this modern gaming world, so he is likely to play, or at least try a lot the "new and hot" games coming for the foreseeable future. But he is not the type to jump into every new AAA game and crank it up to ultra. The important part is that he can play these modern games with his friends on a high quality with good fps - and the computer can live for 5-10 years doing so. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?Some very, very light video editing, and potentially a bit of coding. These are not a first priority, and important not to put too much weight into. He has dabbled in video editing and coding out of curiosity and fun, as a hobby from time to time. Do you intend to overclock?No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?These are techs I know very little about, so then, I think the answer here is No. Do you need an operating system?Windows Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?Already owns a monitor. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.Preferes GeForce for GPU (se build list) What country will you be buying your parts in?Norway If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.dustinhome.no / komplett.no . These are not set in stone, but the only ones I know of and use in Norway. The build: CPU: Intel i15 10400FRAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200MhzGPU: GeForce GTX 1660 SuperMotherboard: Gigabyte Z490 UDSSD: Kingston 480GB 2.5''Powersupply: Gigabyte P750GMCase: Factal Design Focus G WindowCooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EvoPaste: Cooler Master HTK-002-U1Note, we are already pushing the budget, so for cases where "just a bit more money for a better part", we would need to lower the price on some other part. Thank you for the help!
Check out prices for b550 + 5600x + stock cooler. You also don't need 750w PSU, this kind of system will pull like 200w under gaming load
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Newegg has 3060s available if anyone wants them. Or they did last time I checked a few hours ago. They're also doing a lottery to combat bots and scalpers.
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On February 25 2021 17:33 blae000 wrote:What is your monitor's native resolution?2560x1440 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?Fortnite, Overwatch, Apex, Minecraft - all on high or more. This is a kid growing up in this modern gaming world, so he is likely to play, or at least try a lot the "new and hot" games coming for the foreseeable future. But he is not the type to jump into every new AAA game and crank it up to ultra. The important part is that he can play these modern games with his friends on a high quality with good fps - and the computer can live for 5-10 years doing so. The build: CPU: Intel i15 10400FRAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200MhzGPU: GeForce GTX 1660 SuperMotherboard: Gigabyte Z490 UDSSD: Kingston 480GB 2.5''Powersupply: Gigabyte P750GMCase: Factal Design Focus G WindowCooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EvoPaste: Cooler Master HTK-002-U1Note, we are already pushing the budget, so for cases where "just a bit more money for a better part", we would need to lower the price on some other part. Thank you for the help!
I think your GPU will be pretty stressed, it's barely enough for 1440p. If at all possible, swapping to 240hz 1080p would actually make a big difference (especially for gameplay).
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Im looking at new hard drive options for my laptop atm, I want a new m2 ssd, does anyone have anything to keep in mind to make sure that I don't fuck that purchase up? From light research I should just be able to buy one and it should be fine right, theres no sizing stuff like old hard drives?
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There are different sizes ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/QU3V6WN.png)
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Also check to see if it's NVME or Sata as M.2 is a form factor as Cryo stated. The key (aka shape at the end) is also usually different between them.
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Is it compatible to reuse NVIDIA GTX 980 to build a new PC (Ryzen 5900X, new motherboard, etc) while waiting for GPU stock?
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Just got and installed my second set of RAM. Total of 32GBs. The timings on the second are 16-20-20-38 and the first are 16-18-18-36. Is there anything I need to adjust or are the margins small enough to not worry about it?
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On March 21 2021 03:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Just got and installed my second set of RAM. Total of 32GBs. The timings on the second are 16-20-20-38 and the first are 16-18-18-36. Is there anything I need to adjust or are the margins small enough to not worry about it?
Will probably default to 16-20-20-38 but those timings don't really matter. Run OCCT 8 memtest for an hour
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