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Nice Cyro, looking forward to it. With how it stomped CS:GO, valorant and the other esports titles, I'm expecting AMD to dance on Intel's grave on the remaining "simple" games.
All stores around me are in-store purchases only and they're gonna sell out before I get off work. I'll grab a 5600X in a few weeks when they come back in stock.
I'm building a mostly new box around this stuff and my gtx 1080 (until I actually regularly play games that need more graphics power) https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/8q8sXb
As nice as DR B-die would be, I can't really justify the extra cost over a reasonable set of good-but-not-excellent memory.
No min-max overclocking for me this time around, I'm getting too old to deal with fine-tuning this stuff. CPU is going to run at stock settings, and memory is going to be ryzen dram calc'd and left there. The goal is going to be a near-silent ITX build that frees up floor real estate and can sit on the corner of my desk behind one of my monitors.
AMD really delivered with the 5000 series though. the 5600X is only "slow" compared to the monsters that make up the upper end of the 5000 series. Compared to anything last gen from AMD or current gen from Intel, it's a damn good buy.
Turns out if your main thread never runs to memory, and only runs in cache, Ryzen 5000 is stupid fast. Haven't seen League of Legends yet anywhere but I'd expect that to be why AMD claimed something like +40% or +50% performance over Ryzen 3000
Yeah stuff is flying. No shortage of +50% results gen over gen with the same voltages, power limits, IF and memory.
Random latency down 10ns too, so it's not just the cache - a lot of Zen2's poor gaming results were insanely memory latency bound so that was the lowest hanging fruit to smash.
On November 07 2020 18:18 SC-Shield wrote: Is DDR5 coming soon?
Not really, early 2022 is the best guess for when you'll see consumer desktop with reasonable availability on ddr5. It's pretty likely that mid-end consumer desktop will still be fine on ddr4. Its just high end that needs ddr5 (12+ cores on dual channel mem)
DDR5 consumer is due on Alder Lake (end 2021) and Zen 4 (start 2022) but there's a slight possibility that it will ship earlier with Warhol - a Zen 3 based refresh that could have the new socket and I/O die.
DDR5 is a huge evolutionary leap over DDR4.
As always, the first chips of a new memory technology will probably be awful compared to the ones that follow it. They're likely to cost a lot and have poor latency, but even the low end should have a thicc bandwidth boost and the potential for performance gains for programs that rely on that is large.
If a task responds very well to DDR4 overclocking (RRDS/RRDL/FAW etc) and is bandwidth hungry without being too reliant on latency then it's an excellent candidate for early DDR5 gains.
On November 08 2020 02:41 Cyro wrote: DDR5 consumer is due on Alder Lake (end 2021) and Zen 4 (start 2022) but there's a slight possibility that it will ship earlier with Warhol - a Zen 3 based refresh that could have the new socket and I/O die.
DDR5 is a huge evolutionary leap over DDR4.
As always, the first chips of a new memory technology will probably be awful compared to the ones that follow it. They're likely to cost a lot and have poor latency, but even the low end should have a thicc bandwidth boost and the potential for performance gains for programs that rely on that is large.
If a task responds very well to DDR4 overclocking (RRDS/RRDL/FAW etc) and is bandwidth hungry without being too reliant on latency then it's an excellent candidate for early DDR5 gains.
So, if I'm looking to buy a new computer in 2021, then DDR5 shouldn't hold me back, right? I'm not in a desperate need for upgrade, I guess I can wait 1 more year if it's justified.
Anandtech tested with 3200, so there's a bit of frequency headroom, but even the most heavily bottlenecked stuff starts bottlenecking around the 5800X rather than 5600X. Good DDR4 is going to hold up for a pretty long time. DDR5 is going to smash DDR4 in terms of bandwidth, but DDR4 is likely going to be superior for latency sensitive tasks for the first year or two - probably around 2023 before all tasks are better with DDR5 than DDR4.
Also, this kit went on sale and I picked it up. It's the cheapest I've seen b-die in the last two months in Canada. It's not the best bin, but it's pretty much ideal for a AMD 5000 ITX box. https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX69708
My opinion is that if you're getting an 8 core or less, DDR4 is fine.
but even the most heavily bottlenecked stuff starts bottlenecking around the 5800X rather than 5600X
I can bench it a bit when i've got some spare time. A 5900x with ccd2 disabled is functionally identical to a 5600x.
Anand uses 3200 JEDEC which is built for fairly bad memory running on 1.2v, the timings are thus extremely loose. 22-22-22 primaries and similarly loose subtimings. They also use 1600 fclk, which saves power but is otherwise bad for performance.
My recent tests have shown Zen3 being a lot less DRAM-reliant than Zen2 or CML for many, but not all games. A lot of the time an XMP is within 10% of tuned memory now when it was getting 15-25% gains on the same titles before.
There are still some pretty huge performance gains - for example +30% for x265 veryfast encoding which did not scale on Zen2 but appeared on Zen3 alongside a dramatic x265 speedup. I expect that will still be very substantial even in 6-core mode.
Cometlake (Intel) is still extremely DRAM-bound in games. Some games get a 50-100% speedup over Anandtech's JEDEC benches if you run tuned DDR4 on it. From what i've seen of the Arch, Alder should still be very memory hungry and may fly on JEDEC ddr5 vs JEDEC ddr4.
It's not exactly computer but I think this is related. I will use my computer for 1080p@144fps still for quite a bit of time, before upgrading and buying a 360hz monitor. But I bought a Xbox series X for 4k gaming and I want to buy a 4k 120hz TV to go with it ; my TV right now is 43" and slightly fits in my setup for the flat, so the maximum I'll go for the 4k one will be 48" since it seems like 43" aren't very good 4k tv... I found the LG OLED CX48 in that size that is apparently able to do 4k@120Hz, yet the panel seems to be 100Hz so I am a bit confused -> could you explain the difference? And would that TV be good for 4k@120?
Specs that i can see say 120, but i'm not familiar with the model. 120 is usually chosen because it multiplies cleanly into e.g. 24, 30, 60 - which can't be done with a 100hz monitor.
maybe he means it supports 120 but isn't actually 120? I've read some 4k tvs that apparently have some sort of 120 support without actually being 120 Hz. I could be wrong though.
Is the 120hz vs 100hz thing something about DSC/bandwidth of the cable? There shouldn't be any issues with the CX hitting 120hz, even with the reduced bandwidth HDMI 2.1 slot at 40gbps instead of 48. IIRC HDTVtest went over it, and it doesn't matter at all.
On a side note though, LTT has a series going on with prebuilts/tech support
I was watching and there's some good points there. If you don't already know how to build a PC, buying a good prebuilt is probably a fair option. It's generally +$100-150 depending on what you buy, but in exchange you don't really have to care, and it'll just work.
Hi all, I appreciate how helpful people are here so I wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts about a build that was recommended to me.
My needs: 1.) Gaming - Starcraft 2, DOTA 2 2.) Streaming said games in 1080p on Twitch 3.) Novice music recording (including acoustic instruments with a mic) and production with the digital audio workstation Soundbridge (Need virtually nonexistent audio latency) 4.) Novice video editing with Shotcut 5.) Multitasking - Need to be able to do things like playing games and watching streams/Youtube videos or Netflix/Hulu simultaneously. Having multiple windows open at once without noticeably slowing down the CPU, working with Microsoft Excel and Google Sheets, running the Spotify application
Build: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive PowerColor Radeon RX 580 8 GB Red Devil Video Card Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Advice given: 1.) I would highly recommend waiting a few months to build a PC in this price range, if possible. There will be new computers released in this price range and you'll get MUCH better value by waiting. 2.) This motherboard combination might require a BIOS upgrade. You can find more information on a BIOS upgrade from the manufacture website (Gigabyte is the manufacture).
On November 23 2020 07:49 AirbladeOrange wrote: Hi all, I appreciate how helpful people are here so I wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts about a build that was recommended to me.
My needs: 1.) Gaming - Starcraft 2, DOTA 2 2.) Streaming said games in 1080p on Twitch 3.) Novice music recording (including acoustic instruments with a mic) and production with the digital audio workstation Soundbridge (Need virtually nonexistent audio latency) 4.) Novice video editing with Shotcut 5.) Multitasking - Need to be able to do things like playing games and watching streams/Youtube videos or Netflix/Hulu simultaneously. Having multiple windows open at once without noticeably slowing down the CPU, working with Microsoft Excel and Google Sheets, running the Spotify application
Build: AMD Ryzen 3 3100 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive PowerColor Radeon RX 580 8 GB Red Devil Video Card Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case EVGA BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Advice given: 1.) I would highly recommend waiting a few months to build a PC in this price range, if possible. There will be new computers released in this price range and you'll get MUCH better value by waiting. 2.) This motherboard combination might require a BIOS upgrade. You can find more information on a BIOS upgrade from the manufacture website (Gigabyte is the manufacture).
If you dont use external hardware, this isnt a great streaming rig (weakish CPU + AMD GPU). I would recommend an NVidia Turing based 1650s or higher so you can use the turing NVenc for low CPU impact streaming with good quality.
Also, if Starcraft is the focus, Intel CPUs are usually a better choice due to higher ST performance (the new AMD Ryzen 5000 series is too expensive for your budget).
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1440p but I wanna play on my 4k tv too.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? MAXIMUMS THE CYBERPUNK 2077
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? VideoEditting/Streaming rigs, how much extra? ALSO I MEBBE MK MEDIA SVR PARTITION BUT I THINK I USE PI FOR DAT
Do you intend to overclock? NAWP
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? QUOI? QUE? NANI? WHAT?
Do you need an operating system? YA I NEED A WANDOWS.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I LIKE THE NEW APPLIE CHARGERS
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. NO, NO MEANS NO #ME2
What country will you be buying your parts in? MAGA! USA! USA!
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I like new eggs cuz no one likes old eggs.
On November 26 2020 00:08 SuperJongMan wrote: HALP! I MAKE BUILD! IT COST TOO MUCH. CAN I DROP to 2K or under? THE CHEEPA DA BettA. ALSO I PICK AND CLICK STUFF SOMETIMES CUZ IT LOOK COO
There's also not much point in grabbing a last-gen CPU.
If you can find a 5600X/3080, this build will squeak under 2k. Good luck with the 3080 though, odds are high you'd be struggling to find one by February.
The case is probably overkill/overpriced, but if you like the aesthetic, go for it. I wouldn't cheap out on the PSU, especially for the 3000 series, since nvidia did some questionable things with power consumption.
Thanks, I'm not trying to play everything by release, but I haven't had a non-mac computer in a long time, like... 7+ years. I am lazily shopping/browsing til spring/early-summer. I'll re-assess Feb-ish since I've learned Nvidia pulled a "lol supplies", but from what I've gathered, it'll still be the best option come Feb-2021. But I know nothing, and that's confusing. Thanks for the heads up!
I would like to keep my RTX 2060 (for now and upgrade GPU some time next year) as well as my Case and PSU and upgrade Mainboard, CPU and SSD SSD: Samsung EVO 1 TB super fast thing that looks like RAM CPU: no idea. Best bang for buck MoBo: Something that fits. With decent sound card. No WLAN needed RAM: Can I keep mine?
Max: 500€
I want to play Cyberpunk obviously, as well as SC2, CS:GO and other older stuff. Pure gaming PC
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