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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On January 06 2017 18:14 FiWiFaKi wrote: That's pretty nice, the 6700k is like $420CAD at memory express, but yeah, considering the cheapest x99 are $300 for nothing of note to a consumer, won't be buying obviously. I must've missed the $420 6700k :[ back to $500 non k is $430 | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On January 07 2017 16:35 Craton wrote: I use the Guru3D one. http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html Thanks, will give it a try | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 07 2017 18:10 NovemberstOrm wrote: I must've missed the $420 6700k :[ back to $500 non k is $430 Yeah for boxing week (I think up to Jan 5th it was $80 off)... I'm sure it'll come back down again, since the 7700k is $500, so the 6700k has to drop in price a bit again. I was going to get a new computer... But upon further research, I have no reason to. I think I'll just replace my HDD with a 500GB 850 Evo, and get a GTX1060... An i5 2500k still showing no wear, but a HD6870 really isn't up to par... 4.4 TFLOPS vs 2.7TFLOPS, though all things considered, that's really not that big of a jump either. Though I think I will make the jump, since I want a quad 1080p setup, 1080p streaming at 30Hz, and 16GB of RAM is probably a good idea vs 8GB and worrying about how many tabs in chrome I have open S: I was looking through some Z170A motherboards, and I'm really trying hard to find a reason why I'd go for a motherboard above this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132566 The only issue I've been having that my PC can't do is... I'd like to have better audio settings. The other day I was trying to stream with my gf, and it's insane the difficulty of simply receiving the exact same audio stream into two headsets without a splitter. You can do this thing where you send the signal to a virtual line, and the repeat two of the same signal, but the quality is really bad. I'd like to be able to stream with two people at once speaking into different headsets, and but receiving same audio signal, etc. Not sure if motherboards can handle this kind of thing, or if I need a mixer for that. But besides that, all the mobo's look so similar to me, they all more or less take advantage of all 20 PCIE lanes + the 16 CPU ones, they all have enough lanes for PCIE or m.2 SSD's... They all support plenty fast clock speeds for RAM. More or less all have a few USB 3.0 and 3.1 slots, which you don't really need for anything besides transferring files over, or having an HD webcam from what I can see. edit: Also, overclocking is dumb, it hasn't made economic sense since forever. Who would pay $70 more for a processor, $50 more for a motherboard, and $20-$150 dollars more for a cooler, depending of your range of a 212 to H100i or H110i (and possibly add thermal paste to that as well)... for what, a turbo frequency going from 4.0Ghz to 4.5-4.6Ghz? You're literally spending like $150+ dollars more, to get a performance gain of 13% on a $400 dollar processor lol. Not to mention more power consumption, statistically slightly reduced CPU life, higher temps, more sound, etc. I'm surprised that people keep buying into this scam for the sake of "it's fun to push your CPU to it's limits". More or less the same story for Kaby Lake, 4.2Ghz stock, versus 4.8-4.9Ghz if K edition OC'ed. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23608 Posts
On January 08 2017 06:54 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yeah for boxing week (I think up to Jan 5th it was $80 off)... I'm sure it'll come back down again, since the 7700k is $500, so the 6700k has to drop in price a bit again. I was going to get a new computer... But upon further research, I have no reason to. I think I'll just replace my HDD with a 500GB 850 Evo, and get a GTX1060... An i5 2500k still showing no wear, but a HD6870 really isn't up to par... 4.4 TFLOPS vs 2.7TFLOPS, though all things considered, that's really not that big of a jump either. Though I think I will make the jump, since I want a quad 1080p setup, 1080p streaming at 30Hz, and 16GB of RAM is probably a good idea vs 8GB and worrying about how many tabs in chrome I have open S: I was looking through some Z170A motherboards, and I'm really trying hard to find a reason why I'd go for a motherboard above this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132566 The only issue I've been having that my PC can't do is... I'd like to have better audio settings. The other day I was trying to stream with my gf, and it's insane the difficulty of simply receiving the exact same audio stream into two headsets without a splitter. You can do this thing where you send the signal to a virtual line, and the repeat two of the same signal, but the quality is really bad. I'd like to be able to stream with two people at once speaking into different headsets, and but receiving same audio signal, etc. Not sure if motherboards can handle this kind of thing, or if I need a mixer for that. But besides that, all the mobo's look so similar to me, they all more or less take advantage of all 20 PCIE lanes + the 16 CPU ones, they all have enough lanes for PCIE or m.2 SSD's... They all support plenty fast clock speeds for RAM. More or less all have a few USB 3.0 and 3.1 slots, which you don't really need for anything besides transferring files over, or having an HD webcam from what I can see. edit: Also, overclocking is dumb, it hasn't made economic sense since forever. Who would pay $70 more for a processor, $50 more for a motherboard, and $20-$150 dollars more for a cooler, depending of your range of a 212 to H100i or H110i (and possibly add thermal paste to that as well)... for what, a turbo frequency going from 4.0Ghz to 4.5-4.6Ghz? You're literally spending like $150+ dollars more, to get a performance gain of 13% on a $400 dollar processor lol. Not to mention more power consumption, statistically slightly reduced CPU life, higher temps, more sound, etc. I'm surprised that people keep buying into this scam for the sake of "it's fun to push your CPU to it's limits". More or less the same story for Kaby Lake, 4.2Ghz stock, versus 4.8-4.9Ghz if K edition OC'ed. I think I got a good value on an overclockable set-up for my 2500k 212evo (still using it with my 1070, with very little throttling) But it does seem to have gotten less cost effective since then. As for the audio, Banana has a good VL in their digital mixer and might be able to work for you, but I'm not great with it so I won't be of much use setting it up, but I'm pretty sure a buddy of mine did what you are trying. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 08 2017 09:22 GreenHorizons wrote: I think I got a good value on an overclockable set-up for my 2500k 212evo (still using it with my 1070, with very little throttling) But it does seem to have gotten less cost effective since then. As for the audio, Banana has a good VL in their digital mixer and might be able to work for you, but I'm not great with it so I won't be of much use setting it up, but I'm pretty sure a buddy of mine did what you are trying. I have the 212 as well. Back then the difference between a locked and unlocked CPU was more similar, like $20-30 for me, now it's plenty more. And yeah, nowadays we're reaching more or less the same clocks, very slightly higher, but the starting clocks are higher. My i5 2500k went to 4.4 Ghz from 3.7 Ghz no problem, so it was better value than nowadays (though not sure if it's worth it still). Another thing to consider is that almost all games today are GPU bound, but it wasn't like that before. I think it's just the software has gotten better at offloading the easy tasks to the GPU. And thanks, I'll check that out. For the longest time, I've just completely neglected my audio in my desktop since I can't tell the difference very well. I have two nice Sennheiser headsets that cost $250-$300 each... And the audio sounds very nice with my cheap P67 mobo and no sound card. Having some additional settings and learning about that would be interesting. Sound doesn't seem very complicated until you need to do anything that isn't super basic; those expensive soundboards always seemed very unnecessary to me before S: | ||
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SaTiN
United States54 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 29 2016 12:28 bluegarfield wrote: Just some quick points, and seeing you are still below your $1200 budget: - You cannot overclock on H110 motherboard, so you can spend the remaining on getting Z170 board, although I think just keep the H110 board, change your CPU to i5-6600 and drop the Hyper 212 EVO cooler to save money is better. - if you decide to save money via the above option, can upgrade your GPU to GTX1060 or those RX 470/ RX 480, it will help with new games a lot more than overclocking the CPU. or you just spend the rest of the budget on upgrading the better GPU. Honestly a GTX1050/GTX1050Ti will be fine for the games you listed, but since you want the option for new games, may as well upgrade - PSU: you dont need 750W, just get a 450W or 500W and you will be on the very safe side. - SSD: I thought the Kingston V300 got some issue? please double check or you can get some alternatives like PNY or OCZ Trion - HDD: Don't buy WD Black unless you really need the 5 years warranty. Just get WD Blue 7200rpm for cheaper I looked at a couple friends' suggestions and made some adjustments from bluegarfield's suggestions, and this is where I'm at right now: CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler Motherboard: MSI H110M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GAMING X 4G Video Card Case: DIYPC Cuboid-R MicroATX Mini Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply OS: Windows 10 home 64-Bit That puts me at $888 (according to pcpartpicker.com) and I wouldn't mind making a couple improvements since I can afford a bit more than that. I think bluegarfield suggested an improved video card but I'm not sure which one would offer a good improvement compared to what is listed. Any suggestions that would really improve the machine for an extra $100-$200? I'm also not sure why my friend suggested two storage items - one SSD and one HDD... the answer is probably fairly obvious but I've never put a computer together so I'm not sure. What is the benefit? Thanks again! | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On January 08 2017 10:37 SaTiN wrote: Spoiled my original post and someone's response just for reference... + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2016 12:28 bluegarfield wrote: Just some quick points, and seeing you are still below your $1200 budget: - You cannot overclock on H110 motherboard, so you can spend the remaining on getting Z170 board, although I think just keep the H110 board, change your CPU to i5-6600 and drop the Hyper 212 EVO cooler to save money is better. - if you decide to save money via the above option, can upgrade your GPU to GTX1060 or those RX 470/ RX 480, it will help with new games a lot more than overclocking the CPU. or you just spend the rest of the budget on upgrading the better GPU. Honestly a GTX1050/GTX1050Ti will be fine for the games you listed, but since you want the option for new games, may as well upgrade - PSU: you dont need 750W, just get a 450W or 500W and you will be on the very safe side. - SSD: I thought the Kingston V300 got some issue? please double check or you can get some alternatives like PNY or OCZ Trion - HDD: Don't buy WD Black unless you really need the 5 years warranty. Just get WD Blue 7200rpm for cheaper I looked at a couple friends' suggestions and made some adjustments from bluegarfield's suggestions, and this is where I'm at right now: CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler Motherboard: MSI H110M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GAMING X 4G Video Card Case: DIYPC Cuboid-R MicroATX Mini Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply OS: Windows 10 home 64-Bit That puts me at $888 (according to pcpartpicker.com) and I wouldn't mind making a couple improvements since I can afford a bit more than that. I think bluegarfield suggested an improved video card but I'm not sure which one would offer a good improvement compared to what is listed. Any suggestions that would really improve the machine for an extra $100-$200? I'm also not sure why my friend suggested two storage items - one SSD and one HDD... the answer is probably fairly obvious but I've never put a computer together so I'm not sure. What is the benefit? Thanks again! The GTX 1060 3gb or 6gb would be a good improvement. The reason for having an SSD and a HDD is the SSD is used as your boot drive/main programs as it's alot faster than a HDD, where as your HDD is used for long term storage/most of your programs. Also what's the reason for going Micro ATX? | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On January 08 2017 10:37 SaTiN wrote: Spoiled my original post and someone's response just for reference... + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2016 12:28 bluegarfield wrote: Just some quick points, and seeing you are still below your $1200 budget: - You cannot overclock on H110 motherboard, so you can spend the remaining on getting Z170 board, although I think just keep the H110 board, change your CPU to i5-6600 and drop the Hyper 212 EVO cooler to save money is better. - if you decide to save money via the above option, can upgrade your GPU to GTX1060 or those RX 470/ RX 480, it will help with new games a lot more than overclocking the CPU. or you just spend the rest of the budget on upgrading the better GPU. Honestly a GTX1050/GTX1050Ti will be fine for the games you listed, but since you want the option for new games, may as well upgrade - PSU: you dont need 750W, just get a 450W or 500W and you will be on the very safe side. - SSD: I thought the Kingston V300 got some issue? please double check or you can get some alternatives like PNY or OCZ Trion - HDD: Don't buy WD Black unless you really need the 5 years warranty. Just get WD Blue 7200rpm for cheaper I looked at a couple friends' suggestions and made some adjustments from bluegarfield's suggestions, and this is where I'm at right now: CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler Motherboard: MSI H110M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory Storage: PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GAMING X 4G Video Card Case: DIYPC Cuboid-R MicroATX Mini Tower Case Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply OS: Windows 10 home 64-Bit That puts me at $888 (according to pcpartpicker.com) and I wouldn't mind making a couple improvements since I can afford a bit more than that. I think bluegarfield suggested an improved video card but I'm not sure which one would offer a good improvement compared to what is listed. Any suggestions that would really improve the machine for an extra $100-$200? I'm also not sure why my friend suggested two storage items - one SSD and one HDD... the answer is probably fairly obvious but I've never put a computer together so I'm not sure. What is the benefit? Thanks again! for additional 100-200$, gtx1060 6gb or rx480 8gb will do well. also, since you dont overclock, skip the hyper 212 as well, the stock cooler is plenty good, except a bit loud, but honestly hdd spin is louder. if you go matx mobo, and don't plan to use 4 slot RAM or dual gpu, or some multi hdd raid, or m.2 or lots of peripherals, get the MSI H110i ITX, that has wifi onboard, although no bluetooth, but wifi can come handy | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On January 07 2017 16:35 Craton wrote: I use the Guru3D one. http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html thanks again Craton turned out his gpu driver had some issue, not sure how it happened as he actually turned off automatic update, and his attempts to reinstall the driver weren't properly done either. radeon software crimson relive got some issue with his win7 though. had to download catalyst control centre and it worked now | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
I recently bought a new computer but didn't bother to change my GPU for many reasons but atm I run an old GTX 550 Ti. Now, I want to upgrade but I'm not sure if I should go with the gtx 1050 Ti or the 1060. From what I understand, the 1060 is clearly a better choice considering price/performance but I feel that it will probably be overkill for the games I play. I mostly play online competitive games such as CSGO, Overwatch, Battlerite, H1Z1, etc. Basically games that aren't really demanding. I'm not the kind of guy who play single player games at the highest settings possible on some resolution higher than 1080. I don't mind not being able to max out everything, I always been playing my games at a low/med settings to get the best FPS possible. Now the thing is, in a near future, I will most likely change my monitor and get a 144hz, so I want to be able to fully utilize the 144hz considering the games I play. I would also like to be able to run future games at a decent FPS on 1080. Money isn't really an issue, I just don't want to spend too much if it isn't really worth it. My specs are : I5 6500 3.2ghz, Gigabyte H170 gaming 3, 16g DDR4, Corsair CX500W 80 bronze plus. Thanks! | ||
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SoulRiM
Germany53 Posts
On January 09 2017 03:58 DPK wrote: Hey guys! I need some help with a GPU upgrade. I recently bought a new computer but didn't bother to change my GPU for many reasons but atm I run an old GTX 550 Ti. Now, I want to upgrade but I'm not sure if I should go with the gtx 1050 Ti or the 1060. From what I understand, the 1060 is clearly a better choice considering price/performance but I feel that it will probably be overkill for the games I play. I mostly play online competitive games such as CSGO, Overwatch, Battlerite, H1Z1, etc. Basically games that aren't really demanding. I'm not the kind of guy who play single player games at the highest settings possible on some resolution higher than 1080. I don't mind not being able to max out everything, I always been playing my games at a low/med settings to get the best FPS possible. Now the thing is, in a near future, I will most likely change my monitor and get a 144hz, so I want to be able to fully utilize the 144hz considering the games I play. I would also like to be able to run future games at a decent FPS on 1080. Money isn't really an issue, I just don't want to spend too much if it isn't really worth it. My specs are : I5 6500 3.2ghz, Gigabyte H170 gaming 3, 16g DDR4, Corsair CX500W 80 bronze plus. Thanks! I don't know what specs you need for Battlerite and H1Z1, but you might want to look into AMD's RX 460 if you want to save some money. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On January 09 2017 03:58 DPK wrote: Hey guys! I need some help with a GPU upgrade. I recently bought a new computer but didn't bother to change my GPU for many reasons but atm I run an old GTX 550 Ti. Now, I want to upgrade but I'm not sure if I should go with the gtx 1050 Ti or the 1060. From what I understand, the 1060 is clearly a better choice considering price/performance but I feel that it will probably be overkill for the games I play. I mostly play online competitive games such as CSGO, Overwatch, Battlerite, H1Z1, etc. Basically games that aren't really demanding. I'm not the kind of guy who play single player games at the highest settings possible on some resolution higher than 1080. I don't mind not being able to max out everything, I always been playing my games at a low/med settings to get the best FPS possible. Now the thing is, in a near future, I will most likely change my monitor and get a 144hz, so I want to be able to fully utilize the 144hz considering the games I play. I would also like to be able to run future games at a decent FPS on 1080. Money isn't really an issue, I just don't want to spend too much if it isn't really worth it. My specs are : I5 6500 3.2ghz, Gigabyte H170 gaming 3, 16g DDR4, Corsair CX500W 80 bronze plus. Thanks! You can utilize a 1070 for 1080p144 on Overwatch but 1060 / 1050ti will do it on lower settings. Similar story for some other semi-demanding games rx480/470 are similar perf to the 1060 but the 460 is a lot lower perf | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On January 09 2017 03:58 DPK wrote: Hey guys! I need some help with a GPU upgrade. I recently bought a new computer but didn't bother to change my GPU for many reasons but atm I run an old GTX 550 Ti. Now, I want to upgrade but I'm not sure if I should go with the gtx 1050 Ti or the 1060. From what I understand, the 1060 is clearly a better choice considering price/performance but I feel that it will probably be overkill for the games I play. I mostly play online competitive games such as CSGO, Overwatch, Battlerite, H1Z1, etc. Basically games that aren't really demanding. I'm not the kind of guy who play single player games at the highest settings possible on some resolution higher than 1080. I don't mind not being able to max out everything, I always been playing my games at a low/med settings to get the best FPS possible. Now the thing is, in a near future, I will most likely change my monitor and get a 144hz, so I want to be able to fully utilize the 144hz considering the games I play. I would also like to be able to run future games at a decent FPS on 1080. Money isn't really an issue, I just don't want to spend too much if it isn't really worth it. My specs are : I5 6500 3.2ghz, Gigabyte H170 gaming 3, 16g DDR4, Corsair CX500W 80 bronze plus. Thanks! If you're going to be switching to a 144hz monitor you're probably going to at least want a gtx 1060 for most games. | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
On January 08 2017 23:37 bluegarfield wrote: thanks again Craton turned out his gpu driver had some issue, not sure how it happened as he actually turned off automatic update, and his attempts to reinstall the driver weren't properly done either. radeon software crimson relive got some issue with his win7 though. had to download catalyst control centre and it worked now Yeah, sometimes things just go weird and when you try to reinstall the driver you end up with conflicts from leftover files. Glad it worked. | ||
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abuse
Latvia1942 Posts
Currently using a HD 7850 Have researched online and the ones I'm looking at atm (probably not surprisingly) are GTX1060 vs RX480; Up until yesterday I had decided to get a GTX1060, but yesterday changed my mind in favor of RX480, due to reading some stuff online about them stepping up their game massively in the driver spectra, so the RX480 is not only better for the future, but is overall also a tiny bit better right this moment. What do you guys think on the matter? Also, is there any particular brand (MSI, XFX, EVGA, etc) which you would specifically recommend? I have a mid-tower. Smaller cards with 1 fan are preferred, though I guess I could fit a 2-fan design one if I move around my 2nd HDD a bit. Also, do new video cards come with all the required wiring (a 6 pin connector for example) or is it assumed that you should have those already, when buying your power supply? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 09 2017 17:17 abuse wrote: So I've been looking into an upgrade for my gfx card. Currently using a HD 7850 Have researched online and the ones I'm looking at atm (probably not surprisingly) are GTX1060 vs RX480; Up until yesterday I had decided to get a GTX1060, but yesterday changed my mind in favor of RX480, due to reading some stuff online about them stepping up their game massively in the driver spectra, so the RX480 is not only better for the future, but is overall also a tiny bit better right this moment. What do you guys think on the matter? Also, is there any particular brand (MSI, XFX, EVGA, etc) which you would specifically recommend? I have a mid-tower. Smaller cards with 1 fan are preferred, though I guess I could fit a 2-fan design one if I move around my 2nd HDD a bit. Also, do new video cards come with all the required wiring (a 6 pin connector for example) or is it assumed that you should have those already, when buying your power supply? From the videos I've seen comparing the two cards, the GTX 1060 beats out the RX 480 by something like 20% on non-DX12 games, and loses by 0.5% on DX12 games. At my local part supplied, the 6GB 1060 is $330CAD and the 8GB 480 is $380CAD, so in my eyes, the GTX 1060 is a no brainer. They have been stepping it up recently, but still don't think that they're there yet. The 6-pin connector should be on your PSU. As for which brand to go, performance wise they are more or less all the same, the fans they use are very similar, so temperatures and noise will be more or less identical. The thing you want to look at is their IO if you're going for multiple monitors. The other thing you maybe want to look at as well is overclocking your GPU, I don't know much about the RX480, but with the GTX 1060, you can buy them running up to around 150Mhz higher than stock clock (so like a 8-9% performance gain)... And if you have no regards for your power consumption and running you fans at 100% at all times, you can get them to 1900-2100Mhz on stock cooling if you get one with the supported software. Don't know how much you care for the marginal gains, but if that's not your thing, then what you should look at is their customer support, which myself I've had good experience with ASUS and EVGA, but I think everyone will tell you something else. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
the GTX 1060 beats out the RX 480 by something like 20% on non-DX12 games, and loses by 0.5% on DX12 games That sounds biased / out of date, i'd expect a small lead for 1060 on dx11 and loss w/ async compute etc. 470/480 def looking strong :D | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
It didn't seem biased to me, but who knows. | ||
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