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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
January 12 2017 02:55 GMT
#12781
On January 12 2017 10:50 bluegarfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2017 02:54 Cyro wrote:
according to review test results, U14S will be 2-5c better than hyper212 depending on load, but gonna be more expensive as well.


Which tests?


may be this and this. the only big difference i see is when running prime95 OC, but that hardly indicate any real world usage anyway


They're not running high overclocks so they need a load like prime95 to stress either cooler and show differences. The first link shows an ~11c gap there, second one shows a ~23c gap (probably errors in testing, given the other results)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
January 12 2017 03:20 GMT
#12782
@cyro: understood that. I didnt have the target overclock in the question, but anyway i think that the overclock showed is somewhat the comfortable range for casual users, not enthusiastic level of pushing to the max OC, so about 5c difference seem for reasonable for day to day usage. of course that means the U14S is being underestimate for its price
ELqQQT_T
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
January 12 2017 06:32 GMT
#12783
On January 12 2017 02:45 bluegarfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 05:16 NovemberstOrm wrote:
what kind of cooling difference can i expect going from a hyper 212 evo to a Noctua NH-U14S?

I would go with the nh-d14 or 15 but im worried about my ram height


according to review test results, U14S will be 2-5c better than hyper212 depending on load, but gonna be more expensive as well.

as for ram clearance, D14 has a list of compatible ram as answered above. D15 is redesign to have better clearance, but still good to check the list. you can go with D15S (single fan) and it still performs really well, although gonna be lots more expensive than hyper212, or cryorig h7

it seems like the D15 should be alright, thanks.
Moderatorlickypiddy
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
January 12 2017 07:29 GMT
#12784
Continuing a bit on the GPU topic.

Is it worth buying RX480/GTX1060 right now or is it better to wait for the Vega announcement?
As I understand Vega gfx cards will be for the high-cost spectrum, so i wouldn't be buying it anyway, but would it affect the cost of RX480 in the very near future?
If so, then how much of a price drop could it realistically entail, and how fast do these things happen usually anyway, after a new line of products is released?
I don't believe you.
z0rz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States350 Posts
January 12 2017 08:33 GMT
#12785
On January 11 2017 13:24 Cyro wrote:


Allllllmost here

Is it really only $500? BenQ's 240Hz is the same price without GSync :O
twitch.tv/fartymcbutt
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17295 Posts
January 12 2017 08:34 GMT
#12786
Sounded like that's their pre-release approximation.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 12:10:52
January 12 2017 19:12 GMT
#12787
but anyway i think that the overclock showed is somewhat the comfortable range for casual users, not enthusiastic level of pushing to the max OC


If your max temps are only hitting 65c on the weaker cooler then you won't see wide performance gaps and it won't matter either way because the weaker cooler is fine for that load and OC

---

We have some updated stats from siliconlottery, average 7600k/7700k seems to be ~5ghz@1.37v. Pretty tight chip-to-chip variance, not much more than +-100mhz from there
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Perikles765
Profile Joined January 2017
1 Post
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 13:42:05
January 16 2017 09:01 GMT
#12788
Hi all, my friend is looking to build a PC but is unsure of what parts to get. Since you guys helped me to build my PC two years ago I was hoping you could help!

What is your budget?
- $2000 (Australian Dollars)


What is your monitor's native resolution?
- 1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
-- Mainly Civ series and Total War series, but also RPG's like The Witcher 3, Skyrim, Fallout etc.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
-- A bit of beatmaking using ableton and to use it as a media centre. As well as programs like AutoCAD

Do you intend to overclock?
--- Undecided, most likely yes in the future.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
---- No

Do you need an operating system?
--- No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
--- Yes, it is in a separate budget of $400

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
- No requirements

What country will you be buying your parts in?
-- Australia

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
- I have no preferences.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 22:24:33
January 16 2017 22:23 GMT
#12789
On January 16 2017 18:01 Perikles765 wrote:
Hi all, my friend is looking to build a PC but is unsure of what parts to get. Since you guys helped me to build my PC two years ago I was hoping you could help!

What is your budget?
- $2000 (Australian Dollars)


What is your monitor's native resolution?
- 1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
-- Mainly Civ series and Total War series, but also RPG's like The Witcher 3, Skyrim, Fallout etc.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
-- A bit of beatmaking using ableton and to use it as a media centre. As well as programs like AutoCAD

Do you intend to overclock?
--- Undecided, most likely yes in the future.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
---- No

Do you need an operating system?
--- No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
--- Yes, it is in a separate budget of $400

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
- No requirements

What country will you be buying your parts in?
-- Australia

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
- I have no preferences.


https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/WBCHnn - This is what i came up with. If your friend isn't using win10 he'd need to upgrade or go with a skylake cpu(6700k). A 1080 seems out of the question for the absurd price they are in australia. I went with the hyper 212 because he isn't sure if he wants to overclock yet so that can always be changed to a better cooler.
Moderatorlickypiddy
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
January 16 2017 23:53 GMT
#12790
Hi guys,

Since moving countries my PC is left at my old place, couple of thousand miles away and since it's now 4 years old, it's not really worth shipping, so I'll probably be building a new rig. I've got nothing, but I'll probably get my keyboard and mouse from the old computer a some point. I started doing some research and came up with this build. I want something that will last me a few years without the need to upgrade. I'm planning to get it SLI ready but start with only one GFX. I know I'll probably be playing some new games of various types, I'll definitely be running multiple VM's at times on top of Windows, not enough to warrant a Xeon though. It's probably going to be a white/black build - I've got a white room with white furniture, wouldn't want to ruin it.

What is your budget?
Probably gonna finish at around 1500 GBP.

What is your monitor's native resolution?
I don't have one, will buy as part of the build. I used to have a 24 inch 1920x1200 (16:10) so that's what I'll probably get but I'm fine with 16 too.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Various on top settings.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Forensics and pentesting to a certain degree.

Do you intend to overclock?
Possibly in the future.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Yes, SLI.

Do you need an operating system?
Yes.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Monitor only.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I'm an MSI fanboy, but not enough to pay premium for their products if an alternative is available.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
UK

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Nope.

Here's what I came up with: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9Brjqk
oh, hai
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
January 17 2017 08:41 GMT
#12791
Looks pretty good to start with, probably want a 7700k + better cooler and 2x1080 is hilariously overpowered for a 1080p60 screen. Most people go 1440p or 144hz with weaker hardware
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
January 17 2017 08:54 GMT
#12792
Will I regret it if I get a 1060 for 3440*1440?

I find myself playing more and more indie games that aren't graphically demanding, so I'm not sure I really need to pay the premium for a 1070.

Then again, I still own and want to play DOOM, Rise of the Tomb Raider and Witcher 3... 60 FPS is pretty important to me, but Ultra graphics isn't.

Benchmarks I can find always test the games in Ultra and on 2560*1440, so I don't quite know what performance to expect.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 11:43:09
January 17 2017 11:38 GMT
#12793
For a quick check you can just divide 1440p bench numbers by ~1.34x. You'd need to turn down the settings for all games mentioned by varying amounts as that leaves average FPS between about 28 (worst) and 52 (best) depending on the game and benchmark on the few that i've checked
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
January 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#12794
Ah fuck it, a 1070 it is.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20342 Posts
January 17 2017 12:14 GMT
#12795
Enjoy ;D
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
January 17 2017 15:07 GMT
#12796
Ok guys, just wanted to thank you for the information that you keep putting there.

Finally got my build done thanks to you and its amazing

Ty
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 07:00:05
January 20 2017 06:46 GMT
#12797
Seems like the 960 evo 250 gb is like 130 dollars. I think that's a pretty good deal to start replacing the 850s since the 850s are like 30 dollar less for the same storage though it won't make any difference in gaming.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
January 20 2017 11:07 GMT
#12798
On January 12 2017 16:29 abuse wrote:
Continuing a bit on the GPU topic.

Is it worth buying RX480/GTX1060 right now or is it better to wait for the Vega announcement?
As I understand Vega gfx cards will be for the high-cost spectrum, so i wouldn't be buying it anyway, but would it affect the cost of RX480 in the very near future?
If so, then how much of a price drop could it realistically entail, and how fast do these things happen usually anyway, after a new line of products is released?

Pricing is tricky because I cant tell u how it behaves where you live.
In canada, price drops because of new products usually happen just after the official reveal/announcement (but way before the cards are released). Just enough details are released to create hype, but not so much that we know exactly just how good the new cards will be. These drops are usually very temporary (but can be very substantial), made just to clear excess stock, if any.
Having said that, I think vega is too high end to impact pricing for the 480/1060. They would drop in price more on time decay and maybe over supply shld demand simmer down (which may or may not happen).

Is the 480/1060 worth a buy? Really depends on what you have right now and what games you are playing. And what price you can get them for. But yeah, unless vega has at least a 1070-level gpu in the lineup (expectation is weakest card would be a 1080 level) and is VERY aggressively priced, i dont think it will have an impact.
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1945 Posts
January 20 2017 12:44 GMT
#12799
On January 20 2017 20:07 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:

Pricing is tricky because I cant tell u how it behaves where you live.
In canada, price drops because of new products usually happen just after the official reveal/announcement (but way before the cards are released). Just enough details are released to create hype, but not so much that we know exactly just how good the new cards will be. These drops are usually very temporary (but can be very substantial), made just to clear excess stock, if any.
Having said that, I think vega is too high end to impact pricing for the 480/1060. They would drop in price more on time decay and maybe over supply shld demand simmer down (which may or may not happen).

Is the 480/1060 worth a buy? Really depends on what you have right now and what games you are playing. And what price you can get them for. But yeah, unless vega has at least a 1070-level gpu in the lineup (expectation is weakest card would be a 1080 level) and is VERY aggressively priced, i dont think it will have an impact.


ty ♥
I don't believe you.
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
January 20 2017 20:58 GMT
#12800
Can anyone help me as to what processor and gfx card I can get to upgrade my machine? I am looking at running Elite Dangerous on Ultra.


What is your current build?

M/B - Asrock P67 PRO3 SE Motherboard (Socket 1155, Onboard Sound and LAN)
GFX - Sapphire 11179-09-20G HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 Graphics Card
CPU - Intel® Core™ i5 2500K 3.30GHz Socket LGA1155 - Retail.d
RAM - 2x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
PSU - Corsair CX 500W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS® Power Supply

What is your monitor's native resolution?
currently 1920x1080, may go bigger at a later stage.

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
Want to run Elite Dangerous on ultra maxed out if possible!

What is your budget?
No fixed budget as I have no idea how much I need to spend. I am hoping just a CPU and GFX card upgrade.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
UK

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
No pref
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