EPTI had a pair of 3TB Seagates fail within about 2 years (1 year warranty, naturally). That would've been around 2013-2015. Both were from an August 2012 batch.
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Craton
United States17295 Posts
I had a pair of 3TB Seagates fail within about 2 years (1 year warranty, naturally). That would've been around 2013-2015. Both were from an August 2012 batch. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
Not many trustworthy choices in terms of proven quality in the budget hard disk market. My two Spinpoint drives are over 4 years old and they are still going strong for me after heavy use, although gone are the times of their cheap prices. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
I have a ~6 year old seagate 1TB drive at the moment which is a winner in terms of HDD lifespan | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
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Craton
United States17295 Posts
On July 12 2016 08:55 Cyro wrote: I've seen hard drives of more than a few different brands fail shockingly fast I have a ~6 year old seagate 1TB drive at the moment which is a winner in terms of HDD lifespan I see your 6 year old drive and raise you a 60,328 powered-on-hours 1.5 TB (that's 6.88 years of being turned on). + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1Vzz1GR.png) | ||
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Tresher
Germany404 Posts
So a few weeks ago I asked for advice getting a used PC for around 150€ cause someone in my family wants to buy me one. While this is not a High end machine it will do for now. Its a refurbished one. Here are the specs: OS: Win 7 Home Premium 32- bit Service Pack 1 CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ RAM: 2,00 GB Single Chaneal DDR2 @ 373 Mhz (5-5-5-18) Motherboard: MSI MS-7252 Graphics: Quadro NVS 210S/GeForce 6150 LE (MSI) CPU is slightly better than my old one (was the same but a 3000+), Case is nice, im sure its reusable some time. Power supply seems good too, don´t know the brand right now but it has 750W. I wanted to ask how good this rig is ( I know its not much and I don´t expect any miracles from it) and if it´s somewhat upgradeable. I guess RAM is out the window cause its Win 7 32 bit. But i still have my old Graphics Card that I want to install into this one. The Card is a ZOTAC GT240 1 GB 128bit SDDR3. I already removed it from my old machine, but I also wanted to know if I have to look out for important things when I install it in my current one so I can at least play Hearthstone fluent again. Like do I have to turn off the On board card etc.? I already watched the videos in the OP and they were quite helpful, otherwise I wouldn´t have been able to remove the card. Altough I installed/removed a GFX once on my old rig. Or should I maybe buy a new one (if thats possible with this machine anyway) that fits better? | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
The CPU isn't completely crap, you can run basic stuff with it. Don't plan on playing newer games. (Edit: Well that was pretentious of me. I didn't realize you already had experience with that class of CPU because I didn't read your post closely enough.) The RAM is a problem. That's a tremendously small amount of RAM, particularly for modern browsers. You may have to watch your internet habits to avoid using too much RAM. You should be able to throw your GT240 onto that board. Realistically, that's the only upgrade you'll be able to do. I don't think you need to turn off any on-board graphics, so long as you plug your monitor into your GT240. At least, that's how it works now. I wouldn't buy a new GPU. The system can't really handle a better GPU & you'd be better off not going with this system if you're putting your own money into it. The PSU is probably crap, but I wouldn't worry about it with the components you'll be running. I wouldn't want to plan to use it in a future build though. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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Craton
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
Lenovo Y700 Gaming Laptop 6th Generation Intel Core i7 6700HQ (2.60GHz) 16GB Memory 1TB HDD NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB GDDR5 15.6" Windows 10 Home 64-Bit Still sealed My laptop is almost due to being changed (battery dead, etc). I know Gaming laptop are bad (too expensive for performance), but at what price would you consider buying this? It has 256 days of WArranty left. The price dropped by 300$ since last week, down to 1.100$ (CAD), still too high. A new one is 1.400$ I was thinking about waiting to see if it reaches the 800-900$ mark. Thoughts? | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
What is your budget? 1300-1400 canadian $ What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Mostly FPS and some Moba. Low-Medium but I wanna have a high fps (using 144hz monitor Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada This is rough draft. I am certain there are better pieces for cheaper, especially for the RAM and GPU. Any suggestions? CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($254.25 @ Vuugo) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.99 @ NCIX) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($86.50 @ DirectCanada) Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.98 @ DirectCanada) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.95 @ Vuugo) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($541.98 @ NCIX) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($50.89 @ Amazon Canada) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.98 @ Newegg Canada) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($115.98 @ DirectCanada) Total: $1345.50 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-13 19:52 EDT-0400 | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On July 14 2016 08:53 InfectedGoat wrote: With your help I built a PC in 2012. It has been very good to me. I am now giving it to my girlfriend and I need to build another monster. What is your budget? 1300-1400 canadian $ What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Mostly FPS and some Moba. Low-Medium but I wanna have a high fps (using 144hz monitor Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada This is rough draft. I am certain there are better pieces for cheaper, especially for the RAM and GPU. Any suggestions? CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($254.25 @ Vuugo) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.99 @ NCIX) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($86.50 @ DirectCanada) Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.98 @ DirectCanada) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($62.95 @ Vuugo) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($541.98 @ NCIX) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($50.89 @ Amazon Canada) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.98 @ Newegg Canada) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($115.98 @ DirectCanada) Total: $1345.50 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-13 19:52 EDT-0400 I might be tempted to tell you, even if you typed that you don't want to overclock, to go for the 6500k version of the processor to leave some room for OC (might give your system a longer life) What kind of FPS do you want to play? IF they are non-demanding, you could go for a cheaper GPU and use the extra $$ to upgrade the CPU to a k version, and go for a motherboard that allow Overclocking! If you don'T download a lot, you could maybe save a little bit by removing the HDD and go for a higher capacity SSD! | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
On July 14 2016 09:19 XenOmega wrote: I might be tempted to tell you, even if you typed that you don't want to overclock, to go for the 6500k version of the processor to leave some room for OC (might give your system a longer life) What kind of FPS do you want to play? IF they are non-demanding, you could go for a cheaper GPU and use the extra $$ to upgrade the CPU to a k version, and go for a motherboard that allow Overclocking! If you don'T download a lot, you could maybe save a little bit by removing the HDD and go for a higher capacity SSD! Right now I play I am mostly playing Esports games like CS GO, Dota, WoW and mainly Overwatch. I would rather not overclock because I've never done so. I don't mind going for a cheaper GPU to go for a better CPU if you have any suggestions they are greatly appreciated. You are right. I never download from my main computer. I only install games on it. Do you have any suggestions for a larger SSD? | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On July 14 2016 09:52 InfectedGoat wrote: Right now I play I am mostly playing Esports games like CS GO, Dota, WoW and mainly Overwatch. I would rather not overclock because I've never done so. I don't mind going for a cheaper GPU to go for a better CPU if you have any suggestions they are greatly appreciated. You are right. I never download from my main computer. I only install games on it. Do you have any suggestions for a larger SSD? The games you listed aren't too demanding (at 1080p)! You could definitely go for a cheaper GPU (but again, going for the 1070 might be better in the long run). Going for a RX 480 (when they are in stock) could possibly save you 200+ $! Do you delete games after you completed them? A 400-500 GB SSD could fit your needs  Or maybe you could go for 2x SSD (240 gb each). That way, if one fails, you have another one  EDIT : For the SSD, I am not too knowledgeable http://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds I personally would just pick any that isn't too expensive. If you want the best for your money, maybe a small research with reviews would be needed! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
Also take note that a gtx960m is notably worse than a gtx950. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The games you listed aren't too demanding (at 1080p)! You could definitely go for a cheaper GPU (but again, going for the 1070 might be better in the long run). Going for a RX 480 (when they are in stock) could possibly save you 200+ $! 1080p144 is much harder than 1440p60 to run - it's about 35% more pixels per second and requires 2.4x more FPS from the CPU. A 1070 of GPU performance would be useful especially in the near future though you can get by with less in those games listed especially if you're willing to turn down some settings (i play Overwatch on a 980 and have to kill stuff like shadows to maximize FPS) CPU OC would help some of those games (especially WoW around lots of players) CPU OC can actually add quite a lot of performance this gen because you don't just get the CPU clock speeds but also some significant RAM scaling from the 2133mhz that non-OC boards are locked to vs the 3200-4000mhz that OC'd memory controller will reach. An i5 6600 will run about 8-9% faster than a 6500 due to higher base and sustained turbo boost clocks. You can't really match CPU overclocking by paying more money - more expensive CPU's will tend to have more cores, while overclocking gives you faster individual cores. These games and most others scale a lot more from faster cores than they do from more cores. A 6600 is pretty decent but if you do want to get into overclocking then it is most worth it for setups like this that try to sustain high framerates. | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($283.95 @ Vuugo) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.99 @ NCIX) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($50.98 @ Newegg Canada) Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.98 @ DirectCanada) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($541.98 @ NCIX) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($50.89 @ Amazon Canada) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.98 @ Newegg Canada) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($115.98 @ DirectCanada) Total: $1351.73 I changed the CPU, lowered the RAM a bit, removed HDD, added 256GB SSD. If I were to overclock, I guess it would look like : + Show Spoiler + CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($304.55 @ Vuugo) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.00 @ Amazon Canada) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($163.99 @ NCIX) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($50.98 @ Newegg Canada) Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.98 @ DirectCanada) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($541.98 @ NCIX) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($50.89 @ Amazon Canada) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.98 @ Newegg Canada) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($115.98 @ DirectCanada) Total: $1505.31 1500$ is a bit high for me and I'm a complete noob when it comes to OC.Maybe there are cheaper alternative like getting a cheaper GPU and get a CPU that I can OC? Honestly, I'm afraid to ruin the CPU, void the warranty or reduce the lifespan. About the first option, does it look decent? Is the mobo a bit cheap or it's fine for the setup? Thank you so so much | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
With pretty cheap and small (matx) mobo there you only have one PCI-E slot (maybe relevant sometimes?) and 2 RAM slots. That would limit you to 8GB of RAM unless you outright replaced the RAM that you already bought rather than adding to it (buying 2x8GB new and not using that 2x4GB). RAM supported is only up to 2133mhz but i think this would just sort itself automatically Just noticed you put an 850 pro, the evo is notably cheaper and performs great, more regular users/gamers buy evo than pro - http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam I try to avoid giving the final word on if everything will physically fit in a setup because that's pretty awkward to screw up for somebody >_> ----- second setup may use a slightly more expensive cooler, should use ~3000mhz+ RAM (3000 is very cheap) and options will be more limited in m-atx size (which is smaller than ATX) - won't fit some coolers, etc. Could see this related stuff costing ~$200 more than non-OC so i think maybe go for it if you're interested in the hardware/OC stuff and want to play with it, otherwise likely not worth the $$ and time ----- Here is an overwatch CPU benchmark - http://i.imgur.com/H2YfZ1M.png - i think dota and CSGO performance is pretty good but WoW will show CPU-limited performance drops when around a lot of players on any setup. Intel/nvidia is the best setup there and stock i5 is second best only to OC'd CPU's. I was pretty surprised to see the CPU demand of OW and scaling with hyperthreading on a quad core but the general performance level is quite high on a good CPU. Skylake i5's are not listed but the performance level should be around or just under the 5960x - enough to handle the higher refresh rates | ||
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InfectedGoat
Canada444 Posts
I changed the SSD to an EVO. Got a bigger case for slightly more $ (like 10$) also, would it be smart to buy a cheaper 256 SSD (PNY, for example http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/7v38TW/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311240rb ) and a 1TB HDD for a total of ~150$ ? Thing is I always heard that samsung SSD were faster and more reliable. there are so many things I'm forgetting or I don't know about and I fully trust you to tell me what pieces to get and when it's ready to build. All your suggestions have always been very very helpful, in the 2 previous computers I built. Thank you very much. + Show Spoiler + PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LhGw6X Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/LhGw6X/by_merchant/ CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($283.95 @ Vuugo) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H110M-A Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.99 @ NCIX) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($47.00 @ Vuugo) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Newegg Canada) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card ($568.32 @ shopRBC) Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.99 @ Canada Computers) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.98 @ Newegg Canada) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($115.98 @ DirectCanada) Total: $1438.20 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-14 10:03 EDT-0400 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
I used a 1x8GB to leave room The problem with doing that is that the CPU has a dual channel memory controller so having less than 2 sticks halves the memory bandwidth. It's enough to significant affect performance in this case so best to avoid it by using a mobo w/ 4 RAM slots or buying all the RAM you'll want on day 1 across both slots cheaper SSD - maybe, it's different technology and warranty. That looks like a notable price gap | ||
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