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On July 04 2016 09:45 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2016 08:00 Cyro wrote:
You mean a triple monitor setup with TV in the middle? I think that the way this works right now would be to treat all of the monitors as one - all of your monitors may fall back to the weakest one which means no more than 60hz and no gsync if your TV is regular 4k 60hz.
TV's regularly have significant amounts of display lag as well, which can make PC gaming with them - especially multi-screen using some TV's and some non-tv's - very awkward. There's some other stuff that's more complicated to go into here but i'm not sure if we're on the same page, and if we are then it's probably not going to work the way that you were hoping. On the rare occasions I do play games through the TV, I play single player games: Fallout 4, Dark Souls, Witcher 3, etc. But the biggest reason for wanting the setup this way is that I use my PC as my main source of media consumption. Youtube, Netflix, Amazon, or the 8TB's of "home videos" I have on my computer. As for the setup, I understand the problems you're talking about, but I was reading that you could run the setup as I would like to. So I'm just going to link a picture of how I was thinking the setup could work. Hopefully, it will help clear confusion up be it on your end from my awful description or on my end for me just being dumb. Setup *Sorry for my lack of drawing skills...you'd think I could draw better after many years of training in drafting.
Something like that could work - i'm not 100% sure on the specifics. Triple displayport should work (this graphics card output config basically exists for Gsync surround), displayport-displayport-hdmi may or may not so needs verification but i think it should work. I've never used two inputs on one monitor simultaneously either but hopefully it's easy enough.
If you're not using multiple monitors for gaming then there's no worry about conflicting resolutions or gsync, you confused me a bit with the second 144hz/gsync screen. Having a simple secondary (rather than stretching a game across 2 or 3 screens) is actually quite easy. My bad for overcomplicating :D
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On July 04 2016 12:03 Cyro wrote:
Something like that could work - i'm not 100% sure on the specifics. Triple displayport should work (this graphics card output config basically exists for Gsync surround), displayport-displayport-hdmi may or may not so needs verification but i think it should work. I've never used two inputs on one monitor simultaneously either but hopefully it's easy enough.
If you're not using multiple monitors for gaming then there's no worry about conflicting resolutions or gsync, you confused me a bit with the second 144hz/gsync screen. Having a simple secondary (rather than stretching a game across 2 or 3 screens) is actually quite easy. My bad for overcomplicating :D
No, thank you for all the help. I'm not very good at explaining things anyways. But just so I understand more specifically, you're only uncertain about the main monitor with both- DP and HDMI plugged into it? And that is where you would see the problem arising with regards to downgrade of refresh rate and the inability to utilize the G-Sync in that monitor? Because if that's the case, I can deal with that. I just don't want to have to completely reconfigure my media setup with regards to the TV.
But you were right here that I don't want to stretch a game across 2 or 3 monitors. It would just stay on 1. Whether that 1 be the main 144hz monitor and being cloned to the TV via the way the display mode is setup, or I play on the secondary monitor and the main monitor and TV are just displaying nothing.
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And that is where you would see the problem arising with regards to downgrade of refresh rate and the inability to utilize the G-Sync in that monitor?
I'm unsure of how it works with multiple things plugged in to both the GPU and the screen - the refresh rate and gsync stuff only applies when you have a game stretched over multiple
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On July 04 2016 13:45 Cyro wrote:
I'm unsure of how it works with multiple things plugged in to both the GPU and the screen - the refresh rate and gsync stuff only applies when you have a game stretched over multiple
Thank you for all of your help!
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I bought a second montor over the weekend. I have a 18.5 ASUS lcd montior at home and I thought I needed a second one.
Found a $76 AOC 20" monitor and $83 LG 20", decided to buy the LG one.
I have a 960 at home and the ASUS was VGA connected on the DVI-I slot via DVI-I converter. The problem is the LG monitor came with VGA and the 960 has no VGA slot (only DVI-I,HDMI and DisplayPorts)  I had to go out again and decided to buy DVI-DVI cable and a VGA-HDMI converter.
I planned to make the LG as the main display and use the DVI cable on it while I convert the ASUS to HDMI. Unfortunately the LG monitor uses DVI-D I had to use LG's VGA and the DVI-I converter on it.
I just want to share since it was an eye-opening experience. I learned a lot and shouldve researched more about it.
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VGA and even DVI analog are ancient, some modern GPU's have already dropped them entirely. I've got an analog monitor (vga/dvi-i) and will probably replace it when i get a new gpu. That one is like 10 or 12 years old, even my 2008 monitor had support for digital standards.
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On July 04 2016 13:45 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +And that is where you would see the problem arising with regards to downgrade of refresh rate and the inability to utilize the G-Sync in that monitor? I'm unsure of how it works with multiple things plugged in to both the GPU and the screen - the refresh rate and gsync stuff only applies when you have a game stretched over multiple
Computer treats it normally; it sends the standard amount of "data" to the screen as if it were on and being used. Monitor shows whatever input source is toggled.
I'll guess that splitters work like KVMs do. In that case, when you toggle from one to the other it effectively disconnects the monitor from the other device. The computer will basically act like that monitor is no longer connected/enabled (so anything that was on that monitor will get moved to your current primary display and you'll no longer be able to move your mouse to that region).
What I'd be concerned about is if it the splitter supports refresh rates >60hz. A great deal of devices like that support the minimum 1080p/60hz.
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On July 03 2016 19:17 Khenra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 08:17 Cyro wrote:
@Khenra
Generally buy everything at once IMO
A midrange air cooler works great for a 6600k, even a lower end one will do fine but might make noise. Bigger heatsinks and bigger fans means better cooling at any given noise level.
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gtx1060 rumored release soon, specs ~half of a 1080 core, 60% of a 1080's memory bandwidth (via 192-bit gddr5, 3GB and/or 6GB). Performance probably ~55% of a 1080 (around rx 480, 970 level.. maybe a touch faster) and efficiency around 1.55x better Alright, thanks for your help. I'm gonna wait a bit until the RX 480 comes out, or the GTX1060. Then I'm gonna hunt for a good deal, and I might get back to you 
Alright, so apparently the Radeon RX 480 is available now at specific webshops in my country. So I did some research and found a retailer with pretty good prices, and put together everything. It came out to this list:
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/MLx8KZ
Last check before I R.I.P. my wallet? The total came out to €1,200, but I can probably order it through my employer, saving me €200 in VAT. So in the end, I am perfectly at my budget of €1,000.
One thing I am still missing: cables. And I am really clueless in that department. Could you maybe provide some information on what I would need to put everything together?
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You probably won't need any cables. Retail motherboards come with a bunch of the SATA cables for connecting your HDDs/SSDs. Retail (i.e. not OEM) HDD/SSD usually also do. I think it's the PSU that comes with the cable for plugging into the wall. Fans just connect to the motherboard headers. PSU will have (attached to it) all the power cables that connect to the other peripherals (gpu, hdd/ssd, etc).
I'd check the product specs to see what cables you're getting to be safe. You'll need two SATA cables.
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So, I've basically saved an old "broken" computer for nearly free from going to the trash. In the end only the PSU was broken and the rest of the parts are still intact. Given how small my budget is since I'm only a student, I thought it might be an improvement to build a PC based on these parts and some others I have accumulated over time. Especially cuz I got an totally working i5 750 out of it, which is super well overclockable.
My current PC-specs:
430 or so Watt Seasonic PSU
Mainboard: Asus M5A78L-M
CPU: AMD Fx-6300
GPU: Asus R7 370
RAM: 8 GB 1866 MHz Kingston HyperX
120GB SSD/500 GB HDD
Parts I have now for a potential i5 750 build:
PSU: 550 W Seasonic
Mainboard: ASRock P55M-Pro
CPU: i5 750 @2.67 GHz (I'd be planning to OC it to 3.8-4 GHz)
RAM: 8 GB Corsair Vengeance 1333 MHz
Obviously I could take the drives for the new PC.
So what I would need to get is:
-new GPU (I think, it's gonna be an RX 480, which i was going to get anyway)
-new Case (because the one of PC i got is really ugly and low quality)
-new CPU-Cooler
My questions:
1. Would my idea on building this i5 750 based PC be a waste of time and money? What I know is, that an OC'ed i5 750 easily beats my Fx-6300.
2. What cooling would you guys suggest, it shouldn't be super expensive?
Edit: If this is relevant, I'm from Germany and would prefer getting that cooling from amazon.de or mindfactory.
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On July 05 2016 14:22 Craton wrote:
You probably won't need any cables. Retail motherboards come with a bunch of the SATA cables for connecting your HDDs/SSDs. Retail (i.e. not OEM) HDD/SSD usually also do. I think it's the PSU that comes with the cable for plugging into the wall. Fans just connect to the motherboard headers. PSU will have (attached to it) all the power cables that connect to the other peripherals (gpu, hdd/ssd, etc).
I'd check the product specs to see what cables you're getting to be safe. You'll need two SATA cables.
Thanks! I checked and the motherboard comes with two SATA cables. I guess it's time to place my order :D
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Hi everyone,
I am currently planning on buying a new computer because the old one is getting... well... old, and I also share it with my brother, so I really need a new one.
What is your budget?
About $900 worth of HUF.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920×1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft 2 and Overwatch on the best settings.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing in particular at the moment. Maybe FEM simulations later down the road, but it's not top priority.
Do you intend to overclock?
No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No, I already have Windows 10.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, but it's not part of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Not really.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Hungary.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
None.
I'm fine with going with a prebuilt computer as I don't really know much about the building stuff sadly.
I was originally thinking of an i7-6700 and a GTX970, with 8 or 16 GB RAM. However, after looking around, I found that I couldn't fit both the i7 and the 970 in the budget. Alternatively, I could go with i5-6500 or i5-6400 and GTX960, I guess?
Do you guys think those specs are realistic given my goals and budget in the first place? If so, which one would you rather choose, the i7 or the 970? Do I need 16 GB RAM at all (I guess it's not the most expensive part in the end)?
These are really questions that if answered would help me start out at all. Any help is much appreciated!
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You shouldn't be sacrificing stuff to get i7, especially when overwatch and sc2 won't benefit (overwatch may, but only if you're trying to maintain an extremely high fps like over 200.. sc2 doesn't benefit at all from HT)
8GB of 16GB RAM just depends what you'll want to use, there's no correct answer and it's fairly cheap either way
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I'm building a very basic computer for my mother. Word, e-mail, very light photo editing... that's about it. I'd like a double-check on the build I have planned.
What is your budget?
$250, lower the better
What is your monitor's native resolution?
I'm going to give her an old 1280x1024 VGA monitor.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
N/A
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
See intro.
Do you intend to overclock?
No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
I don't intend to GPU.
Do you need an operating system?
No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I'll be getting speakers, a keyboard, and a mouse ($25). Also a printer. The printer is the only peripheral I want someone to double-check to make sure I'm not buying a known POS. They are part of the budget. Also, wi-fi capability not required. (Curious - I assume they still don't put that on cheap desktop mobos?)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Nope.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
So far I've only looked at Newegg, other than the printer. (When do they update specials/prices? Once a week?) There is no microcenter in Utah - online only.
Here's what I've got planned so far:
Celeron G1840 - $47
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83U90757&ignorebbr=1
GIGABYTE GA-H81M-H - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128693&ignorebbr=1
Corsair cx430 - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026&ignorebbr=1
I also looked at some low end 300w Seasonics - wasn't sure if they'd be missing some parts, as aimed for OEM or not. Or if they were good. Price wasn't too different, so I figured meh. Still, PSU is one of the places advice is most welcome
Rosewill FBM-01 case - $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123&ignorebbr=1
2x2GB Patriot RAM. DD3 rated at 1333Mhz and 1.65v - $0 (surplus from an upgrade)
Is that still enough RAM for surfing/light use? 1.65v a problem?
500GB Hitachi, 7200rpm - $0 - also surplus
DVD-player - $0 - also surplus
Non-printer peripherals - $25
From Amazon:
Canon MG2520 - $28
https://www.amazon.com/Canon-MG2520-Color-Photo-Printer/dp/B00FIWW9LS/ref=sr_1_4?s=office-electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1467856116&sr=1-4&keywords=printer
USB cable for above - $5
https://www.amazon.com/ReadyPlug®-Cable-MG2520-Inkjet-Printer/dp/B00G09SNCW/ref=pd_bxgy_229_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=MKGYQRSQ0TNTJ9QKF59A
Total: $215
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@SoulRim - I'm not sure why you're confident an i5-750 will beat your fx-6300. Even overclocked, you could also just overclock the fx-6300. I'd double-check some sources on if the i5-750 will actually match the performance of your fx-6300.
Off the top of my head i think it'd be better for ST performance but not multi
from OCN cinebench r15 list, piledriver @4.7ghz gets ~113 ST. There's a few first gen i5/i7 CPU's around 120-125 near 4ghz but that's not a dramatic improvement. Skylake, for example, will score about 205-210 at overclock. I thought that the first gen i5's would be a bit more capable actually~
Is that still enough RAM for surfing/light use? 1.65v a problem?
Yeah and i don't think so. It may default to like 1.5v and a lower clock profile(?)
something like a cx430 should be fine for that type of setup and $20 after rebate is nice
welcome back! 
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Thanks for your input, guys!
My Sources were Firestrike I think where i5 750 @4,0GHz + GTX 970 scored ~11500 while a FX-6300 @4,1GHz + GTX 970 scored only around 8500.
Maybe I'll just wait for Zen and hope AMD keeps being good value for money.
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You should look at the graphics score and CPU score seperately
With CPU at 4ghz vs 4.1ghz the 750 will be better as well, but a normal OC for a 6300 is as much as 10-20% higher frequency than a 750
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@SoulRim - When weighing advice, Cyro's input is worth more than mine. I haven't been keeping up.
@Cyro - thank you for the RAM input. You continue to be six kinds of awesome.
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On July 07 2016 17:40 Cyro wrote:
You should look at the graphics score and CPU score seperately
With CPU at 4ghz vs 4.1ghz the 750 will be better as well, but a normal OC for a 6300 is as much as 10-20% higher frequency than a 750
Actually I really messed up my numbers xD
So, FX 6300 @4,8GHz-5,0GHz scores 9500 on Firestrike and i5 750 @ 3,8GHz-4,0GHz scores 10500.
I guess it's not worth it tbh, 1k points isn't as big of a difference as 2k. In Physics Score the FX 6300 is just slightly ahead.
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