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On July 02 2016 05:52 Khenra wrote:Hello tech guru's, So I am in the market for a new desktop computer. Here's the answers to the questions in the OP: + Show Spoiler [Build specifications] +What is your budget?
Around 1000 euro's, although I would strongly prefer a bit cheaper (~800 maybe?)
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
I prefer to play ARPGs, but I would also like to play Overwatch,GTA, or Skyrim on high settings (not interested in ultra graphics; steady 60 fps is more important to me).
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Browsing, watching movies. Maybe some sound/video editing. Some programming as well.
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes! Part of this project is to gain some experience in overclocking and fine-tuning a computer. This is the first computer I will build myself.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
The Netherlands.
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No preferences, although being in Europe I guess Newegg should be a good choice?
I tried matching some parts on PCPartPicker, but I feel hopelessly inadequate. This is what I put together: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/n7XtJVI would love some feedback so I can get something going here 
Like Cyro said I would be on the look out for custom cooler AMD 480s and special deals on the GTX 970. Also, you can do better than 40c/GB for a decent 240/256GB MLC (or TLC in the Samsung 850 Evo) if you hunt for deals, usually somewhere between 30-35c/GB, sometimes sub 30c. You generally get better money/storage if you move up to 480/500/512 GB drives if you're willing to spend a bit more on storage.
As I understand it, exchange rate adjusted prices in Europe are generally higher due to VAT and other things but the price relationships should be the same.
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On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right?
IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this:
http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm
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http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm
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http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below
+ Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7)
that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find.
I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case
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On July 02 2016 04:16 Ethelis wrote:What do you guys think of this build? I've never tried to make a build with that budget. I told a friend i'd help him out but i'm more used to $800 builds. http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8N3nnn+ Show Spoiler [Answers to the questions in the OP] +On June 24 2016 03:17 Ethelis wrote:
What is your budget?
About $1300 USD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Most taxing game atm would be Overwatch on max settings I guess. Looking to move possibly to move to a 144hz monitor sometime later.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing else worth listing
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, prefer Windows 7
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Don't get GTX980, get the newer GTX1070 instead, it performs better for similar cost, and has newer tech. However, availability of custom card can be an issue at the moment, and don't pay too much due to price hike.
If you only play games, an i5-6600 would do fine and save some money, but since i7-6700 still fit the budget, it's up to you. Changing to i5-6600 can free up budget for the GTX1070 in case it costs more than the GTX980, havent checked the price yet.
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On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right?
You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well.
definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post.
However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like:
$399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 (cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 (4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 (8GB) + $125 (windows)
Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose.
I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point.
Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T
Custom build vs NUC:
Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though.
Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess
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On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess
ah yeah. forgot about the sodimms. ssd vs hdd definitely up to preference whether or not you need storage for photos/movies/music to serve as a little media server. ssd if you don't need space and want some more snap.
I've had decent success with "internet places" where you can get cheap windows licenses. YMMV buyer beware ofc.
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On July 02 2016 15:03 trifecta wrote:
ah yeah. forgot about the sodimms. ssd vs hdd definitely up to preference whether or not you need storage for photos/movies/music to serve as a little media server. ssd if you don't need space and want some more snap.
I've had decent success with "internet places" where you can get cheap windows licenses. YMMV buyer beware ofc.
I would say still go for SSD as the performance increase is massive. Storage-wise, HDD can always be added later on, whether internal one or external one. Here is where the custom build has advantage over the NUC as it still have slot for additional internal HDD.
Also, MS still offering free upgrade to windows 10 from windows 7 & 8 until 20+ July, regardless of what you did to your windows. This is a grey area where I don't want to say anything explicitly, kind of another "internet places" lol.
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On July 02 2016 12:36 bluegarfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 04:16 Ethelis wrote:What do you guys think of this build? I've never tried to make a build with that budget. I told a friend i'd help him out but i'm more used to $800 builds. http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8N3nnn+ Show Spoiler [Answers to the questions in the OP] +On June 24 2016 03:17 Ethelis wrote:
What is your budget?
About $1300 USD
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Most taxing game atm would be Overwatch on max settings I guess. Looking to move possibly to move to a 144hz monitor sometime later.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing else worth listing
Do you intend to overclock?
No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes, prefer Windows 7
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
U.S
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Don't get GTX980, get the newer GTX1070 instead, it performs better for similar cost, and has newer tech. However, availability of custom card can be an issue at the moment, and don't pay too much due to price hike. If you only play games, an i5-6600 would do fine and save some money, but since i7-6700 still fit the budget, it's up to you. Changing to i5-6600 can free up budget for the GTX1070 in case it costs more than the GTX980, havent checked the price yet.
Yeah that does look better, thanks!
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On July 02 2016 07:12 Cyro wrote:
@Khenra
that's pretty good so far, should change RAM and PSU though.
3000mhz @c15 RAM is a good baseline to use (hardly more expensive than 2133 c15, much faster) though some people pay more for even faster, it gives more FPS in some games when not GPU-limited. It's good to get RAM that doesn't have plastic stuff sticking off the top of it because this has no real function aside from looking fancy and can actually block things like CPU coolers from fitting.
You can get a PSU w/ 80+ efficiency and hopefully good quality as well. It's pretty hard to shop for PSU's and i don't know which retailers to use for the netherlands either~
The rx 480 just released, but only seems to be available on reference designs right now which are not so great. One comparable to the 970 that you have selected should be available for $50-70 cheaper quite soon, though AMD vs Nvidia GPU's have different features as well so this isn't 100% about framerate alone.
Thank you for your input, Cyro and trifecta!
I went and looked up the components, including suggested improvements, up on newegg. It came out to this list:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=35575347
I am unsure about a proper cooler for my processor. Also I am wondering whether I should order the parts that are 'on sale' and wait for deals on the rest, or purchase everything in one go. Input is appreciated!
EDIT:
I just checked the check-out price at Newegg and there's a lot of added costs in VAT and shipping. I might have to do some more research to find a better retailer, or rethink some of my options.
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On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:
Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T
It's basically a key that's supposed to only be used with one set of hardware. It doesn't really stop you from transferring it, though.
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@Khenra
Generally buy everything at once IMO
A midrange air cooler works great for a 6600k, even a lower end one will do fine but might make noise. Bigger heatsinks and bigger fans means better cooling at any given noise level.
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gtx1060 rumored release soon, specs ~half of a 1080 core, 60% of a 1080's memory bandwidth (via 192-bit gddr5, 3GB and/or 6GB). Performance probably ~55% of a 1080 (around rx 480, 970 level.. maybe a touch faster) and efficiency around 1.55x better
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On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess
On July 02 2016 11:56 trifecta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this: http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below + Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7) that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find. I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case
thx for the posts
hmmm ive never used an Intel NUC so im kinda scared to get 1 for her, i always get NCIX to assemble my comp and install windows on it for me, you think they'd be able to do that with the NUC too (SSD + ram, also does it come from a WIFI card)?
if i were to get a desktop for her, what would the most cost efficient parts be? even if its over 500$ its fine, that was just a personal estimation.
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On July 03 2016 10:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 11:56 trifecta wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this: http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below + Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7) that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find. I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case thx for the posts hmmm ive never used an Intel NUC so im kinda scared to get 1 for her, i always get NCIX to assemble my comp and install windows on it for me, you think they'd be able to do that with the NUC too (SSD + ram, also does it come from a WIFI card)? if i were to get a desktop for her, what would the most cost efficient parts be? even if its over 500$ its fine, that was just a personal estimation.
that NUC comes with Wifi/bluetooth, ethernet port, 4 usb 3, audio, hdmi+mini displayport and power brick. all you need to do is open it up and install RAM and hard drive. Everything else is already pre-installed.
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On July 03 2016 08:17 Cyro wrote:
@Khenra
Generally buy everything at once IMO
A midrange air cooler works great for a 6600k, even a lower end one will do fine but might make noise. Bigger heatsinks and bigger fans means better cooling at any given noise level.
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gtx1060 rumored release soon, specs ~half of a 1080 core, 60% of a 1080's memory bandwidth (via 192-bit gddr5, 3GB and/or 6GB). Performance probably ~55% of a 1080 (around rx 480, 970 level.. maybe a touch faster) and efficiency around 1.55x better
Alright, thanks for your help. I'm gonna wait a bit until the RX 480 comes out, or the GTX1060. Then I'm gonna hunt for a good deal, and I might get back to you
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On July 03 2016 10:19 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess Show nested quote +On July 02 2016 11:56 trifecta wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this: http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below + Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7) that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find. I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case thx for the posts hmmm ive never used an Intel NUC so im kinda scared to get 1 for her, i always get NCIX to assemble my comp and install windows on it for me, you think they'd be able to do that with the NUC too (SSD + ram, also does it come from a WIFI card)? if i were to get a desktop for her, what would the most cost efficient parts be? even if its over 500$ its fine, that was just a personal estimation.
For desktop parts, I have put the link in my previous comment, but I think I messed up the link. I can't say for sure the below is the "most" cost efficient, but checking around show skylake price is about the same as haswell system, but more readily available. I'm using Intel because I'm not familiar with AMD performance, but doesnt look like your aunt is going to do multithreaded task, and Intel is just simply better at single threaded task. Anyway here it is:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($154.99 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($36.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($62.98 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($124.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $649.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-03 09:08 EDT-0400
So if you minus the cost of windows, this will kind of match the price of the NUC.
Overall it's really down to your preferences and needs. Desktop gives you better performance for the same price (faster processor), the flexibility to upgrade (add more HDD, and GPU) or replace (can just replace individual part in case of break down, parts are readily available) at the cost of size. NUC has some custom parts that have to be ordered specifically for replacement, but its super small size is great for mobility and aesthetic if put in the living room to be used with a TV. Functionality-wise, both are the same.
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I need some help with how to best set up my monitors and TV, and I need to know what I should upgrade my GPU to. I have two Acer XB241H 144hz G-Sync monitors and soon I'm getting a 55" 4k TV. One Acer monitor will be my main display with the other being setup as an extension. I want the TV to be a duplicate display on my main monitor. I want the TV and main monitor to be able to also switch between my PC, PS4, Xbox, and 4k bluray player. I currently have a GTX 770, so I need to upgrade that in order to utilize completely the two Acer monitors, but I'd like to know which GPU I should get and how many. I'd also like some advice on how I should setup the connections for the displays. My old setup was the same with regards to the quantity of displays and how they displayed, but everything except the extended monitor ran through a 2X4 Matrix HDMI 1.3 active splitter. I can't use HDMI for the Acer monitors because of G-Sync and 144hz. If it is helpful, I play a lot of games and I prefer to keep the visual settings high.
My PC's current build: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/m7yCyf (I lost my original build list, so I tried my best finding everything)
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On July 03 2016 22:21 bluegarfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 10:19 TT1 wrote:On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess On July 02 2016 11:56 trifecta wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this: http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below + Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7) that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find. I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case thx for the posts hmmm ive never used an Intel NUC so im kinda scared to get 1 for her, i always get NCIX to assemble my comp and install windows on it for me, you think they'd be able to do that with the NUC too (SSD + ram, also does it come from a WIFI card)? if i were to get a desktop for her, what would the most cost efficient parts be? even if its over 500$ its fine, that was just a personal estimation. For desktop parts, I have put the link in my previous comment, but I think I messed up the link. I can't say for sure the below is the "most" cost efficient, but checking around show skylake price is about the same as haswell system, but more readily available. I'm using Intel because I'm not familiar with AMD performance, but doesnt look like your aunt is going to do multithreaded task, and Intel is just simply better at single threaded task. Anyway here it is: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($154.99 @ NCIX) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ NCIX) Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($36.99 @ NCIX) Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX) Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX) Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($62.98 @ NCIX) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($124.99 @ NCIX) Total: $649.92 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-03 09:08 EDT-0400So if you minus the cost of windows, this will kind of match the price of the NUC. Overall it's really down to your preferences and needs. Desktop gives you better performance for the same price (faster processor), the flexibility to upgrade (add more HDD, and GPU) or replace (can just replace individual part in case of break down, parts are readily available) at the cost of size. NUC has some custom parts that have to be ordered specifically for replacement, but its super small size is great for mobility and aesthetic if put in the living room to be used with a TV. Functionality-wise, both are the same.
Shouldnt you go for 2x4go RAM ? Cause it's dual channel RAM, so isnt it better to actually go for 2x4 against 1x8 ?
I might b mistaken Tho, feel free to correct if i am
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I have two Acer XB241H 144hz G-Sync monitors and soon I'm getting a 55" 4k TV. One Acer monitor will be my main display with the other being setup as an extension.
You mean a triple monitor setup with TV in the middle? I think that the way this works right now would be to treat all of the monitors as one - all of your monitors may fall back to the weakest one which means no more than 60hz and no gsync if your TV is regular 4k 60hz.
TV's regularly have significant amounts of display lag as well, which can make PC gaming with them - especially multi-screen using some TV's and some non-tv's - very awkward. There's some other stuff that's more complicated to go into here but i'm not sure if we're on the same page, and if we are then it's probably not going to work the way that you were hoping.
Performance-wise i think you should probably get a 1070 or 1080 for the performance, features and triple-displayport gsync, though you may want to do it with three 144hz displays. A 1070 would be around 2.5x as fast as a 770.
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On July 03 2016 22:21 bluegarfield wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 10:19 TT1 wrote:On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess On July 02 2016 11:56 trifecta wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this: http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below + Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7) that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find. I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case thx for the posts hmmm ive never used an Intel NUC so im kinda scared to get 1 for her, i always get NCIX to assemble my comp and install windows on it for me, you think they'd be able to do that with the NUC too (SSD + ram, also does it come from a WIFI card)? if i were to get a desktop for her, what would the most cost efficient parts be? even if its over 500$ its fine, that was just a personal estimation. For desktop parts, I have put the link in my previous comment, but I think I messed up the link. I can't say for sure the below is the "most" cost efficient, but checking around show skylake price is about the same as haswell system, but more readily available. I'm using Intel because I'm not familiar with AMD performance, but doesnt look like your aunt is going to do multithreaded task, and Intel is just simply better at single threaded task. Anyway here it is: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($154.99 @ NCIX) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ NCIX) Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($36.99 @ NCIX) Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX) Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX) Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($62.98 @ NCIX) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($124.99 @ NCIX) Total: $649.92 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-03 09:08 EDT-0400So if you minus the cost of windows, this will kind of match the price of the NUC. Overall it's really down to your preferences and needs. Desktop gives you better performance for the same price (faster processor), the flexibility to upgrade (add more HDD, and GPU) or replace (can just replace individual part in case of break down, parts are readily available) at the cost of size. NUC has some custom parts that have to be ordered specifically for replacement, but its super small size is great for mobility and aesthetic if put in the living room to be used with a TV. Functionality-wise, both are the same.
ty garfield!
gonna look around to see if theres any good deals on mobos/psus, if theres nothing ill get your build, ty again!
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On July 04 2016 08:00 Cyro wrote:
You mean a triple monitor setup with TV in the middle? I think that the way this works right now would be to treat all of the monitors as one - all of your monitors may fall back to the weakest one which means no more than 60hz and no gsync if your TV is regular 4k 60hz.
TV's regularly have significant amounts of display lag as well, which can make PC gaming with them - especially multi-screen using some TV's and some non-tv's - very awkward. There's some other stuff that's more complicated to go into here but i'm not sure if we're on the same page, and if we are then it's probably not going to work the way that you were hoping.
On the rare occasions I do play games through the TV, I play single player games: Fallout 4, Dark Souls, Witcher 3, etc. But the biggest reason for wanting the setup this way is that I use my PC as my main source of media consumption. Youtube, Netflix, Amazon, or the 8TB's of "home videos" I have on my computer.
As for the setup, I understand the problems you're talking about, but I was reading that you could run the setup as I would like to. So I'm just going to link a picture of how I was thinking the setup could work. Hopefully, it will help clear confusion up be it on your end from my awful description or on my end for me just being dumb.
Setup *Sorry for my lack of drawing skills...you'd think I could draw better after many years of training in drafting.
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On July 04 2016 06:06 SkrollK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 22:21 bluegarfield wrote:On July 03 2016 10:19 TT1 wrote:On July 02 2016 13:40 bluegarfield wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? You don't need a cooler, or a GPU either. the intel HD530 iGPU is capable of handling video and web browsing very well. definitely consider trifecta's suggestion. *** However, do note that, NUC only takes SODIMM RAM, so the HyperX wont fit. Also, since your aunt uses the pc mostly for online activities, I assume she doesn't need much storage. So a 250GB SSD will do wonder over a 500GB HDD. If she really really doesn't store anything much, can drop to 120GB SSD to save cost. I have put together some suggested RAM and SSD below the quoted post. However, one thing though, unless I understand it totally wrongly, the intel NUC box is barebone system and you need to add your own RAM, storage and windows, It is the case, and cheapest windows is windows 10 home at around $125, so you are looking at about 500CAD+125 = $625++, so overall it will be something like: $399.99 (NUC) + $79.99 ( cheap 250GB SSD) + $20 ( 4GB SODIMM RAM) or $40 ( 8GB) + $125 ( windows) Total is around $620~$650 depending on which exact part you choose. I tried putting together a part list, http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/JgZ7hq, ended up with similar price point. Not sure what OEM windows is though, but should be usable T_T Custom build vs NUC: Pros: more flexibility in part list and upgrade/replacement path. Also, i3-6100 is faster than i3-6100U that comes with the NUC :p But your aunt usage is very basic though. Cons: you have to put the parts together yourself, or as someone to do it. Also, NUC is much smaller and convenient I guess On July 02 2016 11:56 trifecta wrote:On July 02 2016 05:26 TT1 wrote:I'm building a comp for my aunt, her budget is around ~500$ (that was my suggestion to her but she's willing to spend more, don't think she needs to tho). All she needs it for is to watch online movies/shows and browse the web, any suggestions? I don't really know what the most cost efficient parts are for low end builds, i'd like to get her a quality build tho (so something that's very power efficient). she also needs an OS, i wanna order her comp from: http://www.ncix.com/so: mobo + cpu + ram + hdd + case + psu + wifi card + decent gpu + os i don't need to get a cooler right? IMO, for a build like this it's hard to do much better than an Intel NUC like this: http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-nuc-boxnuc6i3syh-i3-6100u-2xddr4-2133-af-122185.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/seagate-momentus-laptop-thin-2-5in-46-94660.htm+ http://www.ncix.com/detail/kingston-hyperx-fury-black-8gb-27-111308.htm forgot about SODIMMs see post below + Windows License (I would not pay any premium for windows 7) that's 500CAD + cheapest windows you can find. I built a Intel-based internet browsing box for a relative and it wasn't any cheaper unless you want to go the 2-3 year old AMD APU route or you want a mid case thx for the posts hmmm ive never used an Intel NUC so im kinda scared to get 1 for her, i always get NCIX to assemble my comp and install windows on it for me, you think they'd be able to do that with the NUC too (SSD + ram, also does it come from a WIFI card)? if i were to get a desktop for her, what would the most cost efficient parts be? even if its over 500$ its fine, that was just a personal estimation. For desktop parts, I have put the link in my previous comment, but I think I messed up the link. I can't say for sure the below is the "most" cost efficient, but checking around show skylake price is about the same as haswell system, but more readily available. I'm using Intel because I'm not familiar with AMD performance, but doesnt look like your aunt is going to do multithreaded task, and Intel is just simply better at single threaded task. Anyway here it is: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($154.99 @ NCIX) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ NCIX) Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($36.99 @ NCIX) Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ NCIX) Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX) Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($62.98 @ NCIX) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($124.99 @ NCIX) Total: $649.92 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-03 09:08 EDT-0400So if you minus the cost of windows, this will kind of match the price of the NUC. Overall it's really down to your preferences and needs. Desktop gives you better performance for the same price (faster processor), the flexibility to upgrade (add more HDD, and GPU) or replace (can just replace individual part in case of break down, parts are readily available) at the cost of size. NUC has some custom parts that have to be ordered specifically for replacement, but its super small size is great for mobility and aesthetic if put in the living room to be used with a TV. Functionality-wise, both are the same. Shouldnt you go for 2x4go RAM ? Cause it's dual channel RAM, so isnt it better to actually go for 2x4 against 1x8 ? I might b mistaken Tho, feel free to correct if i am
Yes going dual channel with 2x4GB is faster, but only by a small margin. Also, this is an ITX mobo, so you only have 2 ram slots available, going 2x4 will kind of lock you out of upgrade path to 16gb without selling. Not that the user in this case ever need 16gb or slightly faster speed from dual channel.
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