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On November 12 2015 23:42 Taelshin wrote:
Wow Thanks a ton Bluegarfield, gonna really go over that post, looks like the price is right and I like the idea of being able to use my window's cd's. Ill get back to you for sure, thanks again!
No prob. I would also suggest you search for benchmarks and compare betweens different options (CPU options like 6600 and 6700, non-k and k version, and GPU options like 970, 980Ti, R9 390 and FuryX) to at least know for yourself what kind of performance you can expect, especially in the games you plan to play, then make decision from there. For GPU, be sure to check the performance between different manufacturers as well.
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@Taelshin & bluegarfield: With that budget I would just add a 6700 instead of the 6600, more and more titles are starting to take advantage of additional cores and HT nowadays. Then also consider 16gb of ram instead. If the budget allows for this, which it does I don't see a reason not to.
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^ yes, 6700 is worth considering. however, a few things to consider.
one is, just because you can afford it doesnt mean you should buy it, the saved up money can be used somewhere else.
second, and more important, is that while more games start making use of more cores and threads, dont expect it to become the norm soon, due to development cost as well as consumer market ztill have a lot of i5/i3 users. gamemakers will still be catering for them for a while. it will probably take 2-3 years at leazt(yeah just my own wild guess) to see most games being optimized. by that time you can happily upgrade to cannonlake or whateverlake cpu. so no dealbreaking reason to go for i7 right now if you are not using it well, like streaming multitasking video encoding etc
edit: actually another advantage of i7 is that it comes with even higher clock speed out of the box, so might worth getting it to get some extra single thread performance
edit2: originally i want to suggest i5-6500 since it's seem to be in sweeter spot for price. but yeah, may as well get something better if budget allows
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
It still seems way too heavy but if you say it'll work I'll trust you. Installing that thing wasn't really that bad, I was just confused while doing it since it seemed so oversized.
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you have nothing to worry about there
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Wow haha that looks insane, okay ill prob switch it up to the i7 I believe it was about 100 bucks more. Just woke up from an afternoon slumber. Thanks again for all the help guys Ill link my final purchase order when i'm ready. Truly ill be comming in at or slightly over budget with a decent monitor I think and ill def not be splurging on the keyboard/mouse.
Edit: Here's what we came up with today before I got really busy and had to be afk for a while
http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=28959366
Has to be updated with the different CPU.
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I've driven 75 miles with a 2 lb heatsink attached to my motherboard perpendicular to the ground and the thing didn't budge or break at all. Somehow those motherboard brackets are really sturdy.
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On November 13 2015 10:55 Taelshin wrote:Wow haha that looks insane, okay ill prob switch it up to the i7 I believe it was about 100 bucks more. Just woke up from an afternoon slumber. Thanks again for all the help guys Ill link my final purchase order when i'm ready. Truly ill be comming in at or slightly over budget with a decent monitor I think and ill def not be splurging on the keyboard/mouse. Edit: Here's what we came up with today before I got really busy and had to be afk for a while http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=28959366Has to be updated with the different CPU.
As mentioned in pm, your cpu change should be roughly like this:
6600k/6700k + Z170 motherboard + DDR4 3000MHzC15
6600/6700 + [ (H170 motherboard + DDR4 2133MHz) OR (Z170 motherboard + DDR4 3000MHzC15) ]
For PSU, assuming you are overclocking i7, pairing with GTX970 only requires 350W power, which is about 440W accounting for 80% efficiency. So a 450W power supply will be enough, or if you want to be safe, or switch to 980Ti, may be 550W. FuryX will need 600W when accounting for 80%. Something like these are a bit more expensive than what you select, but better quality overall
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171092
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438049
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
For PSU, assuming you are overclocking i7, pairing with GTX970 only requires 350W power, which is about 440W accounting for 80% efficiency.
You're doing that math backwards. If an i7 and 970 draws 350w from the wall, then it's only 280w from the PSU after accounting for an 80% efficiency. The output (280w) is the number that PSU's are rated for
i recommend 550w for OC'd CPU + big die overclocked GPU (290/290x/390/390x, fury/furyx, 780/780ti/980ti) but 450w for lower (980/970, r9 380 etc) and that's on the high side at the moment
With Skylakes low power consumption, it's likely overkill. For a 6600k system at ~1.42vcore, Darkwizzie reported 150w full system power draw from the wall under 100% load from x264 (video encoder) - so there's certainly room for a 6600k/6700k and monster GPU on a 450w PSU, just have to watch out for the very high overclocks on the higher consuming GPU's
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assuming a 150w draw from whole system including loaded CPU (which is reasonable for moderately overclocked skylake, as seen above.. ~1.42v i5, 1.35v i7?) and then add 320w from GPU, you get 470w from the wall. Account for efficiency (assumed to be 90% here) and that's 423w from the PSU.
Those numbers are fairly difficult to hit in both cases. For a more casual overclocker (or one that wants to game without GPU fans screaming) you can take quite a lot of wattage off! 
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*edit: I forgot something. The 150w system power includes the power from GPU idling (which i then added on again later when i put in GPU load power) so it's even less. ~410w final.
If you're thinking "but cyro, what if i have an 80% efficient PSU" then it doesn't matter; with the math above, you'll still draw the 423w from the PSU - only this time the wall load will be 529w instead of 470w because of that efficiency gap. That's what the PSU efficiency helps with - that 59w will be lost as heat inside of your PSU which will raise its tempertaure and fan speed requirement.
It's good to overkill on PSU's but it's also nice to know what capacity is fine / more than fine!
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oh, so what pcpartpicker display is not the power that those components will consume?
I always thought that if it says 350W on pcpartpickers --> the parts will need stable 350W to run properly --> psu need to supply at least 350W --> a 80+ rated 450W PSU will guarantee to provide 450*0.8 = 360W --> good to go.
Now I am confused XD
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United Kingdom20322 Posts
oh, so what pcpartpicker display is not the power that those components will consume?
It does but that display is not neccesarily correct. There are a lot of wrong numbers on there, especially when the manufacturers power numbers are quoted as those can be widely inaccurate or meant for different circumstances
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psu need to supply at least 350W --> a 80+ rated 450W PSU will guarantee to provide 450*0.8 = 360W --> good to go.
That's the part that you have backwards.
You assume that an 80% efficient 450w PSU will draw 450w and supply 360w at full capacity
in reality it will draw ~562w and supply 450w. That's the step where efficiency is lost; they're rated for supplied power, not wall power draw.
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^ Ohhh, i see. Thanks for clarification. TIL
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Okay, the price diff in the psu's isnt that great and if those one you linked are better quality, that's good enough for me. Are they sufficient for the power needs if I upgrade the CPU?
Edit: just looking at the PSU's you linked it looks like if I needed a 650w one then upgrading to that costs next to nothing, is that right or am I crazy?
I believe this is the I7 6700 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559&cm_re=i7_6700-_-19-117-559-_-Product?
and that should be coupled with the h170 motherboard I have and should be combined with DDR4 2133 ram, which I need to amend in the wishlist?
to be honest that CPU pushes it to budget, gonna be a tough call.
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On November 13 2015 17:36 Taelshin wrote:Okay, the price diff in the psu's isnt that great and if those one you linked are better quality, that's good enough for me. Are they sufficient for the power needs if I upgrade the CPU? Edit: just looking at the PSU's you linked it looks like if I needed a 650w one then upgrading to that costs next to nothing, is that right or am I crazy? I believe this is the I7 6700 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559&cm_re=i7_6700-_-19-117-559-_-Product?and that should be coupled with the h170 motherboard I have and should be combined with DDR4 2133 ram, which I need to amend in the wishlist? to be honest that CPU pushes it to budget, gonna be a tough call.
it says Intel Core i7-6700K, and on the box it says unlocked, which means this is overclocking i7 that must go with Z170 board. If you really dont want to overclock, this is the one to get:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117560
As for how much power you need:
On November 13 2015 13:06 Cyro wrote:
i recommend 550w for OC'd CPU + big die overclocked GPU (290/290x/390/390x, fury/furyx, 780/780ti/980ti) but 450w for lower (980/970, r9 380 etc) and that's on the high side at the moment
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http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=36432568 list updated and looks pretty solid to me!, what do you think? The only thing I am unsure of is the size of the case but my friend will help me with that today(Im not sure how to size things up). Comes in right at budget and will let me go with a decent monitor and a low tier keyboard/mouse which I was planning on anyways!
Thanks for all the help again guys really appreciate it.
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the 212 EVO fills up half of my tiny (on the inside) case :D
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Since the room and in turn, pc, accumulates a shitton of dust, I feel like I should redo the fan setup at some point, possibly even flip the cooler by 90 degs for front-back airflow instead, even though the front is really crowded on this case hm
Temps get to 55C at sustained 100% load, hovering between 35-40 on idle running stock clocks on my 5675c atm
Might even have to get another fan to increase air pressure in the case to fight the dust
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ya. aha its so big im actually worried, but looking at other cases now.
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@Taelshin: the new list look pretty solid, but if you are buying from there, the case and the CPU are out of stock XD.
As for Hyper 212, it's 159mm tall. The Rosewill case has 170mm clearance, so you should be fine. But non-overclock i7-6700 should come with stock heatsink, and if you dont use it heavily, like 24hrs encoding etc, probably can just stick with stock cooler except if you want something more silent or something that perform better just because you can.
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Hey Bluegarfield thanks for all the help man.
I actually settled on this http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2pCwWZ all from newegg its gonna be roughly 2050$CAD and the parts are in stock right now, ill be ordering tonight. I switched up the cases just in case to a slightly bigger one, and switched back to the i7overclock4.0 processor because maybe in the future I will want to overclock. I am fairly certin I picked the right ram, looks like the DDR4-3000 CAS15 stuff you mentioned eariler as well as changing the motherboard to the z1. Anyways wish me luck and thanks to you and the other guys for all the help Ill definitely keep you updated on how it goes and such!.
Thanks again pals, I don't post here often but i'm sure glad I did this time!
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That ram "should" work, as least according to compatibility list. Honestly I haven't read what is the difference between Ripjaws 4 and Ripjaws V series, besides Ripjaws V is newer.
That case got side-panel windows. Make sure you think about the color before purchasing, or you might/might not regret not going color-theme later XD. How about this case lol: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-rc912kkn1 . idk, choosing a case is one of the biggest problems I always face. This like: must look nice enough, must have good airflow, must be easy to work with, etc. but then I am a picky person
Anyway, all the best, remember to watch some youtube guide before starting building so as not to mess up any parts XD
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That ram "should" work, as least according to compatibility list. Honestly I haven't read what is the difference between Ripjaws 4 and Ripjaws V series, besides Ripjaws V is newer.
Is a little better to use V, the 4's were releases pre-skylake for haswell-e
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