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On December 29 2014 20:41 Cyro wrote: I still like 144hz for sc2 because the mouse cursor is handled seperately from the game and it's much better to use at higher refresh rates (set your screen to 24hz, compare it to 60)
i'm not sure if sc2 memory scaling is entirely latency based or if it needs memory bandwidth, but there is the possibility of losing a lot of performance if you only have RAM in single channel. Need a benchmark run to verify
i've started playing around with a website called aimbooster.com for fun, and all of a sudden i'm beginning to see the limitations for 60 fps. if you move the cursor too fast, you can actually see like 2 or 3 cm between cursors appearing on the screen
i'm astounded that i've finally noticed it. having a high refresh rate screen must make the cursor appear more like a physical thing rather than something that is digitally rendered.
my screen can't handle anything other than 60 hz so I can't really check out how the screen is at 24 hz but i'm sure it's terrible
On December 29 2014 20:41 Cyro wrote: I still like 144hz for sc2 because the mouse cursor is handled seperately from the game and it's much better to use at higher refresh rates (set your screen to 24hz, compare it to 60)
i'm not sure if sc2 memory scaling is entirely latency based or if it needs memory bandwidth, but there is the possibility of losing a lot of performance if you only have RAM in single channel. Need a benchmark run to verify
i've started playing around with a website called aimbooster.com for fun, and all of a sudden i'm beginning to see the limitations for 60 fps. if you move the cursor too fast, you can actually see like 2 or 3 cm between cursors appearing on the screen
i'm astounded that i've finally noticed it. having a high refresh rate screen must make the cursor appear more like a physical thing rather than something that is digitally rendered.
my screen can't handle anything other than 60 hz so I can't really check out how the screen is at 24 hz but i'm sure it's terrible
0:50 - 1:15
i don't really agree with some stuff said, subjective i guess but that side by size with 120fps camera is nice. That's also 2x 60hz, not 2.4x (144)
On December 28 2014 13:11 Durak wrote: No one has a videocard or motherboard suggestion for me? I'm concerned about picking some motherboard that's too expensive and ends up being incompatible. >_<
buy a motherboard that does what you need and nothing more, i guess
do you need to overclock?
crossfire / SLI?
how many sata ports?
if you buy what you need and nothing more, you can allocate the rest of your budget to the graphics card
I made a post a little while ago. I'm not overclocking etc.
I'm wondering if the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 OC 1216MHZ 4GB is comparable to the EVGA GTX 970 Superclocked. Also, is the MSI H81M-P33 bad for $68? I wouldn't mind spending a little more if there's a better mobo...but I'm not overlocking so really I'm wondering if there's a cheaper mobo that is comparable.
That's the ITX-size gigabyte 970. It won't be cooled or perform as well as the full size ones, so you should use those if possible. The EVGA 970's are nothing special - in order of desirability it would probably be HOF > Gigabyte g1 > MSI gaming/gigabyte windforce regular(?) > some other stuff
On December 30 2014 02:46 Cyro wrote: That's the ITX-size gigabyte 970. It won't be cooled or perform as well as the full size ones, so you should use those if possible. The EVGA 970's are nothing special - in order of desirability it would probably be HOF > Gigabyte g1 > MSI gaming/gigabyte windforce regular(?) > some other stuff
Thank you! I swapped it out for a G1.
Here's the final build. Doesn't seem like there will be any compatibility problems and the N200 should fit the G1 fine.
A couple of the sales ended so that added a bit, and the mobo isn't on sale, but I don't think this is too bad for a gaming computer. Give me a heads-up if anything looks off. Ordered; Thanks for all the help!
Just bought it all, I changed some things around based on reviews and aesthetics, try to not roll your eyes
Case: Corsair Air 540 Arctic GPU: SLI G1 970's PSU Super Flower Leadex 750w gold (white) RAM: Hyperx fury 1866mhz 2x8gb (white) (A bit cheaper not a massive loss in FPS, probably 1 frame max and they're quite low profile so shouldn't conflict with my CPU cooler which the G skill ones made me worried about) Mobo: Asus Z97 progamer, it was between that and the G1 Cyro linked, but the G1 had too much red for my taste. CPU: Intel i7 4790k SSD: The crucial one Cyro linked P436. HD: Same as above.
I also went with the Asus Pb287q, hoping it will be here within the week will update with finished product benchmarks etc.
On December 30 2014 02:46 Cyro wrote: That's the ITX-size gigabyte 970. It won't be cooled or perform as well as the full size ones, so you should use those if possible. The EVGA 970's are nothing special - in order of desirability it would probably be HOF > Gigabyte g1 > MSI gaming/gigabyte windforce regular(?) > some other stuff
Hey, while we're at it I'm looking to grab a 970 in the near future (my 770 will go to my gf to build a PC around it afterwards but that will be another post) and I'm a bit confused by the reviews I'm seeing. According to this review they're all between 1-2dBa while this review (German, 2nd graphic is under load) suggests a range from 36 to 47dBa. Even with different measurements (guru3d does it 75cm away from the card, computerbase does it from outside a case) one of those has to be off. I also can't quickly find a good review of the HoF edition in general.
How big is the noise difference (at their respective max OC) for the HoF / G1 / MSI?
How big is the difference in clock speed due to the power limit between those three?
Basically all I'm looking for is to figure out how much performance I'm losing for the quieter option or how much noise do I need to sacrifice for the better performing option. <3
On December 30 2014 02:46 Cyro wrote: That's the ITX-size gigabyte 970. It won't be cooled or perform as well as the full size ones, so you should use those if possible. The EVGA 970's are nothing special - in order of desirability it would probably be HOF > Gigabyte g1 > MSI gaming/gigabyte windforce regular(?) > some other stuff
Hey, while we're at it I'm looking to grab a 970 in the near future (my 770 will go to my gf to build a PC around it afterwards but that will be another post) and I'm a bit confused by the reviews I'm seeing. According to this review they're all between 1-2dBa while this review (German, 2nd graphic is under load) suggests a range from 36 to 47dBa. Even with different measurements (guru3d does it 75cm away from the card, computerbase does it from outside a case) one of those has to be off. I also can't quickly find a good review of the HoF edition in general.
How big is the noise difference (at their respective max OC) for the HoF / G1 / MSI?
How big is the difference in clock speed due to the power limit between those three?
Basically all I'm looking for is to figure out how much performance I'm losing for the quieter option or how much noise do I need to sacrifice for the better performing option. <3
All three are quite similar, stock fan speeds and curves are vastly different. The MSI's max fan speed limit is very quiet which i don't like personally, but it also keeps me at ~55-58c at max overclock so it's not as big of a deal if the fan speed limits are rather low. Load noise level to keep GPU firmly below 80c or 70c shouldn't be substantially different, the main difference i would think would just be the type of noise that each individual cooler makes. Maybe you can dig and find comparison videos on youtube - i think overall you won't find much of a different experience between them, even if you didn't get one of the top cards (but if you don't get a hof, g1/windforce or msi gaming 970, you will be compromising a bit on the core voltage that you can use)
The HOF is way too expensive for what it gives, though it's got unlocked voltage i have not seen people posting good clocks with them on air. They'd need to consistently hit 1600 with ~1.25-1.3v to be really better than g1's, and that's not the impression that i got (though i'm not very up to date on the hof threads) - even if they hit those clocks, you'd be paying £70 (~20-25%) extra for a performance increase of probably something like 3-5%. I'd honestly be more concerned about Samsung vs Hynix memory - there are some people with Samsung doing over 8200 on memory, while some on Hynix are stuck around 7500. There's good hynix and bad samsung but overall samsung is better by a notable amount, and memory bandwidth does matter for these cards and actually show significant returns so 400-600mhz on the memory could very well be more important than even 50mhz or more on the core
HOF has supposedly unlocked voltage, but some issues getting stability at higher voltages AFAIK (need to read up)
G1 and MSI gaming do 1.25v, g1 with 280w limit and MSI with 220w limit. ~200w is usually around what is used, some games/benches (planetside 2, fire strike) clip 220w and lose probably up to ~5% performance on the MSI, but most stuff is fine. The g1 has substantially better VRM cooling, but both the g1 and msi have some poorly cooled memory chips (both have 4 on the back side of the pcb) - that's where the better construction and build quality of the 980's shows a lot. I have not seen PCB/cooler pics for the HOF 970 so i can't really say how that card is, but i guess core and VRM's would be cool and memory on all 3 card -should- be fine (nobody really reporting issues)
many other cards are locked at ~1.2v, which will give ~50mhz less core clock with a chip of comparable quality (i get 1506 with 1.225v and 1528 with 1.25v after being unlucky with core clocks)
Also note that every 970, or almost every, suffers from what is usually refereed to as coil whine issues to some random degree. OCUK has a few cards with some changes to power circuitry and guarantee replacements if you have that type of noise (with a good PSU), but most retailers do not. Here's an example of probably worst case scenario, but it happens to a lot of people, specifically with some niche loads like the windows system assessment. Lot of people in the comments saying stuff like duh that happens on every GPU, but i (recently) had a 260, 580 and 770 and while they sometimes made small noises, none of them screamed anything like this 970 does occasionally (my cat HATES me)
that one actually happens to me, exactly like in that video (bad enough to hear through headphones and music, while not giving a fuck about the 7 fans spinning at 1300rpm). Depending on your luck and tolerances this is anything from a minor issue to something that would escalate to hitting it with a huge hammer within 10 minutes. It's rarely happening though, mostly on some game menu's etc
Here's an example of the type of noise the g1 makes - - two g1's at max fan speed
I ordered an XFX R9-280X link and a 450W PSU but now that I read the questions and comments it seems that 450 is insufficient. Some people say 650W is enough, some are saying 750W. Will a good 650W be enough? Also people report 70-80 degree C temperatures. Does that not melt the card?
On January 02 2015 04:12 calgar wrote: I ordered an XFX R9-280X link and a 450W PSU but now that I read the questions and comments it seems that 450 is insufficient. Some people say 650W is enough, some are saying 750W. Will a good 650W be enough? Also people report 70-80 degree C temperatures. Does that not melt the card?
A 450W PSU should do fine with a card like that, though those cards are indeed power hogs so Crossfire is out of the question.
70°C is an acceptable temperature, 80°C is a bit warm though, it should still not be a problem.
Hello again to the best computer build resource thread. You guys helped me build a gaming rig about 2 years ago. And an office rig for under $300 about 3 months ago. Both computers run extremely well and very THANKFUL for the advice I received here.
I would like to build a SUPER CHEAP computer for my mother. She wants a desktop and only uses it for managing/storing her pictures. She DOES NOT do any hardcore editing (just crop and print). She also surfs the web frequently.
What is your budget? 300 or below
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1680x1050
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? None
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Manage/Archive, and view Pictures. No real editing, just crop and view/print. I would like to put her OS on an SSD and use mechanical drives to store the pictures. (right now she has around 400GB of pictures) I have an 80gb intel 320 series ssd that I'm currently not using. I can donate to this project if you think it would be good.
Do you intend to overclock? No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No, I have a windows 7 disc already.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No, I have the 1 monitor and she likes the size and resolution (at 1680x1050)
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No Preferences, but I've had a lot of success with Intel for the chipset.
What country will you be buying your parts in? USA
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. No Preference.
On January 02 2015 04:12 calgar wrote: I ordered an XFX R9-280X link and a 450W PSU but now that I read the questions and comments it seems that 450 is insufficient. Some people say 650W is enough, some are saying 750W. Will a good 650W be enough? Also people report 70-80 degree C temperatures. Does that not melt the card?
Stop reading comments from uneducated people, if you have questions you can ask in a few places (here, www.overclock.net for example) but there is plenty of bad advice out there.
PSU depends on the CPU that you have, but it's very likely that you have a CPU that leaves more than enough power on a good 450w PSU for a GPU like that with room to spare, especially at stock speeds. What are the rest of your system components (mainly just CPU) and what PSU did you order?
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Some of you have expressed concern over the GPU running at 95C. Be assured, that 95C is a perfectly safe temperature at which the GPU can operate for its entire life. There is no technical reason to reduce the target temperature below 95C.
Straight from AMD. However with a good cooler on a 280x, you shouldn't have problems staying far below those levels, especially if you have good case airflow
~$50 for a 450w PSU with an ATX case attached to it? That's way too cheap, and i can't really find reviews for it or anything other than basic specs (396w of 12v, no pci-e power connectors) - for these uses it doesn't really matter, but still, quality is a concern
1TB HDD APU 1x4GB RAM Case/PSU Mobo for $270 with $20 rebate
I actually just ordered myself a similar htpc the other day with a 7700k, corsair carbide 240, cx430 and some random parts I have lying around - I haven't actually figured out what i'm using it for yet but it was literally too cheap to not buy i think
should make a decent replacement for the current one that runs on g1620 in that it'll at least run csgo and dota2 fine
On January 02 2015 04:12 calgar wrote: I ordered an XFX R9-280X link and a 450W PSU but now that I read the questions and comments it seems that 450 is insufficient. Some people say 650W is enough, some are saying 750W. Will a good 650W be enough? Also people report 70-80 degree C temperatures. Does that not melt the card?
Stop reading comments from uneducated people, if you have questions you can ask in a few places (here, www.overclock.net for example) but there is plenty of bad advice out there.
PSU depends on the CPU that you have, but it's very likely that you have a CPU that leaves more than enough power on a good 450w PSU for a GPU like that with room to spare, especially at stock speeds. What are the rest of your system components (mainly just CPU) and what PSU did you order?
Some of you have expressed concern over the GPU running at 95C. Be assured, that 95C is a perfectly safe temperature at which the GPU can operate for its entire life. There is no technical reason to reduce the target temperature below 95C.
Straight from AMD. However with a good cooler on a 280x, you shouldn't have problems staying far below those levels, especially if you have good case airflow
Thanks for the advice. I kind of panicked for a second because I had thought 450W would be sufficient based on the OP but then seeing the comments scared me. For my build the CPU is the i5-4690 3.5 GHz and the rosewill capstone 450W PSU.
On January 02 2015 04:12 calgar wrote: I ordered an XFX R9-280X link and a 450W PSU but now that I read the questions and comments it seems that 450 is insufficient. Some people say 650W is enough, some are saying 750W. Will a good 650W be enough? Also people report 70-80 degree C temperatures. Does that not melt the card?
Stop reading comments from uneducated people, if you have questions you can ask in a few places (here, www.overclock.net for example) but there is plenty of bad advice out there.
PSU depends on the CPU that you have, but it's very likely that you have a CPU that leaves more than enough power on a good 450w PSU for a GPU like that with room to spare, especially at stock speeds. What are the rest of your system components (mainly just CPU) and what PSU did you order?
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Some of you have expressed concern over the GPU running at 95C. Be assured, that 95C is a perfectly safe temperature at which the GPU can operate for its entire life. There is no technical reason to reduce the target temperature below 95C.
Straight from AMD. However with a good cooler on a 280x, you shouldn't have problems staying far below those levels, especially if you have good case airflow
Thanks for the advice. I kind of panicked for a second because I had thought 450W would be sufficient based on the OP but then seeing the comments scared me. For my build the CPU is the i5-4690 3.5 GHz and the rosewill capstone 450W PSU.
Then you have a CPU that uses no real amount of power (~60w) and a great 450w PSU. That leaves ~390w to power a GPU that uses under half of that at stock, and whatever else is in the system and drawing power (which is probably very little of note)
On January 02 2015 04:12 calgar wrote: I ordered an XFX R9-280X link and a 450W PSU but now that I read the questions and comments it seems that 450 is insufficient. Some people say 650W is enough, some are saying 750W. Will a good 650W be enough? Also people report 70-80 degree C temperatures. Does that not melt the card?
Stop reading comments from uneducated people, if you have questions you can ask in a few places (here, www.overclock.net for example) but there is plenty of bad advice out there.
PSU depends on the CPU that you have, but it's very likely that you have a CPU that leaves more than enough power on a good 450w PSU for a GPU like that with room to spare, especially at stock speeds. What are the rest of your system components (mainly just CPU) and what PSU did you order?
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Some of you have expressed concern over the GPU running at 95C. Be assured, that 95C is a perfectly safe temperature at which the GPU can operate for its entire life. There is no technical reason to reduce the target temperature below 95C.
Straight from AMD. However with a good cooler on a 280x, you shouldn't have problems staying far below those levels, especially if you have good case airflow
Thanks for the advice. I kind of panicked for a second because I had thought 450W would be sufficient based on the OP but then seeing the comments scared me. For my build the CPU is the i5-4690 3.5 GHz and the rosewill capstone 450W PSU.
Then you have a CPU that uses no real amount of power (~60w) and a great 450w PSU. That leaves ~390w to power a GPU that uses under half of that at stock, and whatever else is in the system and drawing power (which is probably very little of note)
My friend who knew nothing about computers was convinced by the people of Memory Express that his rig (i5 4670k not overclocked + GTX 760) needed a 1000W power supply. I laughed so hard when he told me and cried when I failed to convince him to return it for something that didn't cost $120CAD.
EPT
I'm concerned about picking some motherboard that's too expensive and ends up being incompatible. >_<
