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mantequilla
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Cyro
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 24 2014 17:55 Cyro wrote: http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/5835/spot-the-differences-gigabyte-motherboard-revisions-present-markedly-different-test-results This is especially annoying given that you can run into issues with Haswell refresh on some of these boards. | ||
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Cyro
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
£1400 What is your monitor's native resolution? UHD, 4k, 3840x2160. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft is my main game want to run in max settings at 4k, play a bit of CSGO (current pc runs at low on 30fps, just got a job in a warehouse working 9 hours pretty much everyday across december hence why I can now afford this) What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Streaming, Photoshop, Blender, SC2 galaxy map editor. Do you intend to overclock? Perhaps at a later date but not right away. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? I want the potential to since I want to be able to go dual monitor have a game on one and photoshop/blender/sc2map editor all at 4k but not right away (since I can't afford double 4k monitor and 2 top end cards yet) Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No and No, going with the Asus PB987q. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Nvidia and Intel, no AMD. What country will you be buying your parts in? England If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Whoever does it cheapest and will get my parts here in time/safe. Currently looking at going for: Corsair 540 Air Carbide Arctic for my case Link Not sure on the motherboard, probably want to go with Asus. Nvidia GTX 980 not sure on version was looking at EVGA one. Was looking at HyperX memory or Corsair, was favouring HyperX because esports/better head spreading. Intel 4770k Not sure on what PSU to use, was thinking Corsair Antec or Coolermaster. SSD was thinking Samsung 840 pro. and main HDD wasn't sure since there's so many and it's not that much of a huge choice. Forgot to add I was thinking about Liquid cooling and going for H80i corsair or going for a heatsink like the Noctura one, just not sure if needed or what's best. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
The heat spreaders on memory, especially tall ones, are irrelevant on RAM at only 1.65v the best air coolers vs the dual fan width clc's are somewhat tied for performance vs noise and absolute performance, but with the air coolers you need to control your case temperatures somewhat while the clc's can just be mounted on intake fans and you will get good CPU temps (but worse case temperatures because they're blocking a ton of airflow and all of the heat from them is then going into the case) - with an air 540, you don't need to worry about case temperatures messing up CPU temps much, so you can get whatever. Single fan width clc's like the h80i are worse and to be avoided though~ For PSU's you kinda have to give very specific models. Corsair and Coolermaster do not make a lot (or all) of their PSU's, they are just rebranded stuff so there is a big range of quality, some stuff is good and bad and you can even have the a 500w and 750w version of a PSU with the same name actually made by a different company. You kinda need to decide now (when buying) if you're going to buy stuff for CPU overclocking or not - and the graphics card choice can change a little if you are going to OC that, too | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On December 26 2014 02:38 Cyro wrote: the 4790k is the current gen CPU (replaced 4770k a while ago and is better) and the -k CPU's, z97 motherboards and coolers like h100i / nh-d15 are mostly for CPU overclocking The heat spreaders on memory, especially tall ones, are irrelevant on RAM at only 1.65v the best air coolers vs the dual fan width clc's are somewhat tied for performance vs noise and absolute performance, but with the air coolers you need to control your case temperatures somewhat while the clc's can just be mounted on intake fans and you will get good CPU temps (but worse case temperatures because they're blocking a ton of airflow and all of the heat from them is then going into the case) - with an air 540, you don't need to worry about case temperatures messing up CPU temps much, so you can get whatever. Single fan width clc's like the h80i are worse and to be avoided though~ For PSU's you kinda have to give very specific models. Corsair and Coolermaster do not make a lot (or all) of their PSU's, they are just rebranded stuff so there is a big range of quality, some stuff is good and bad and you can even have the a 500w and 750w version of a PSU with the same name actually made by a different company. You kinda need to decide now (when buying) if you're going to buy stuff for CPU overclocking or not - and the graphics card choice can change a little if you are going to OC that, too Depends, I'm not sold on the whole OC idea because for me because I'm not sure if I need that 5-10% (lowballing that) for the tasks I want to be running. So if you think I need to OC my CPU to run SC2 max settings on either 4k monitor or a 1080p one and have another monitor browsing the web or having photoshop up at the same time in either 4k or 1080p then I will go for the options that allow me to overclock. The problem with the PSU is I'm not sure if I want to fork out more cash for another 980 later on so I've not given a PSU because I'm not sure if I will go sli and need a higher wattage, I don't want to get a 850 and never go sli and just waste power and money. The main question I need answered is could a Intel 4790k and 1 Nvidia 980 gtx be able to run a 1080p monitor and a 4k monitor with 2 tasks like a game and photoshop on the other? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
The main question I need answered is could a Intel 4790k and 1 Nvidia 980 gtx be able to run a 1080p monitor and a 4k monitor with 2 tasks like a game and photoshop on the other? Yea You don't need OC CPU to run anything, it's just that stuff runs better. Running at 4600mhz instead of 3700mhz is ~24% performance gain for stuff that scales linearly with clock speed (most cpu bound tasks) sc2 is also a bit of a weird case because it's one of the few games that shows very significant performance scaling with RAM - If you take a regular system with non-OC chipset, so say 3.7ghz CPU and 1600mhzc9 RAM - and then you compare that to OC system (~4600mhz CPU, RAM @~2400c10), because of the RAM scaling, the performance gain will be ~30-40% in sc2 - that's extremely substantial IMO. Photoshop and other CPU bound tasks would probably expect ~20-25% gains. sc2 always has periods of running badly, on any CPU. It's very heavily reliant on the performance of one core and has very little if any at all scaling to 3+ cores on a powerful CPU. When there are lots of units in the game, you get less FPS. gm204 (970, 980) uses very little power at near-reference clock speeds, but also has a ton of OC headroom. You can run sli 980 and a haswell quad core on a 550w PSU comfortably if you wanted to, but if you're cranking up the clocks and voltages on everything for a high but still reasonable 24/7 overclock, you might want 750w to be safe ~ the GPU used for the 970/980 is only the "upper-midrange" chip, there will be a bigger "gtx1080" release some time soon (sometime 2015 probably) with significantly higher performance and power consumption, like the 480 or 780ti. They're the ones that need monster PSU's to SLI. As for how much OC headroom the 970/980's have.. My OC gives 84.3fps in unigine heaven 4.0 extreme preset with a 970. If i simulate a factory OC'd g1 gaming, i get ~76fps. If i simulate reference clock speeds, it'd probably be something like 65fps. The difference between reference clock speeds and max OC is bigger than the difference between the 970 and 980, but it's also free instead of an extra £200 price tag. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
$2000, however I am willing to bump it up to $2500-$3000 if I think it might be worth the investment. What is your monitor's native resolution? I recently received an Acer UHD 4K2K G-Sync Gaming Monitor for Christmas. Haven't even gotten a chance to use it yet, but it is certainly the monitor I will be using! I believe it is 3840x2160. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? League of Legends, Overwatch, The Witcher Games, StarCraft, Wolfenstein: New Order, maybe Dota2, and other new games that catch my interest. I like playing on the highest possible settings without sacrificing any performance (especially online games). I have no qualms with running games on low-medium if need be however. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Basic word processing, programming, surfing the internet, and streaming. Do you intend to overclock? I do, but I have never done it before. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? I want to dual boot Linux and Windows. I will require a Windows operating system (and no real cheap way to get one through University or anything), but the Linux I can find myself (although I am open to suggestions as it has been a minute since I last used it). Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I do not need a monitor, but I need a keyboard, mouse, and webcam. I am also thinking about getting a gaming headset. However I find that after long periods of use my ears and head start to hurt, so I was thinking I might prefer to just use my earbud headphones in conjunction with a nice microphone. <- Open to suggestions on this one as well. All of this is part of my budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. The only requirement I have is a video card that is g-sync capable. Nvidia says that "Any GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST or higher GeForce GTX graphics card with a DisplayPort output is required." What country will you be buying your parts in? USA. If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None. So here goes my first round of perusing newegg and amazon... (all in US $) Monitor: Acer UHD 4k2K G-Sync Gaming Monitor (already purchased) Processor (CPU): AMD FX-8350 179.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284 Motherboard: ASUS M5A99FX PRO 134.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131851 Memory (RAM): G.SKILL 2x8 GB 159.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231589 Video Card (GPU): MSI GeForce GTX 760 224.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127745 Primary Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500 GB 229.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4P01ZU4034 Secondary Storage: WD Black 2 TB 209.95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ1SC6579 Optical Drive: ASUS Black 12X BD-R 69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135252 Power Supply (PSU): EVGA SuperNOVA 850 139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438018 Case: LIAN LI PC-7B 89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112099 Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14 69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018 Keyboard: SteelSeries 6Gv2 99.99 http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-6Gv2-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B008OQTGBQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1419550188&sr=1-1&keywords=keyboard Mouse: SteelSeries Rival 54.29 http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Rival-Optical-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B00G6IJ5QK/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1419550101&sr=1-1&keywords=mouse Gaming Headset: SteelSeries Siberia 44.39 http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Siberia-Prism-Gaming-Headset/dp/B00O06ZN3O/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1419550386&sr=1-2&keywords=headset Webcam: Logitech C310 44.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104368&cm_re=webcam-_-26-104-368-_-Product Microphone: Blue Microphones-Yeti 109.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836431024&cm_re=microphone-_-36-431-024-_-Product Operating System: Windows 8 99.99 http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-8-1-Full-Version/dp/B00EDSI7QO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419552011&sr=8-1&keywords=windows 8 Total: $1963.50 Alright folks, lemme know what you think! Haven't built a computer since the 5th grade and this one will certainly be more complicated haha. I am open to suggestions, major changes, and all of your expertise!  | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
to get the kind of performance you'd need, you probably want something closer to http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kupon3ss/saved/GXw8TW | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Also you need RAM that does not have tall added (useless) heat spreaders on the top. They get in the way of some stuff and block many air coolers from fitting on the CPU for no reason There's still some drama about the 840 evo performance fix not working properly so i'm not sure if it's the best drive to buy or not + Show Spoiler + 1080p60 = 124.4 million pixels per second 1440p60 = 221.2 million pixels per second 1080p144 = 298.6 million pixels per second 2160p60 (4k) = 497.7 million pixels per second 1440p144 = 530.8 million pixels per second | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YfNB7P | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
Thoughts would be appreciated this is nearing max my budget. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
Honestly I don't feel like 8 Gigs RAM is enough going forward - Dragon Age Inquision at 1440p for me + browser with stream on second 1440p screen passes 4Gvram + 7Gs of ram on my system already - going forward newer games are likely to simply take more than that much RAM on 4k. The haswell refreshs and later 1150 boards are also the first configurations in forever to actually show marginal increases in having faster RAM going forward so I'd recommend 2133 or 2400 ram as opposed to slower ram as long as the difference in cost is small. @Ovid a Z97 board would probably serve better than a Z87 board here as there can be initial issues from the older chipset, and yeah that thing about marginally faster ram so maybe this board http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97xsli and http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f32400c10d16gtx for ram? | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On December 27 2014 01:24 Kupon3ss wrote: Honestly I don't feel like 8 Gigs RAM is enough going forward - Dragon Age Inquision at 1440p for me + browser with stream on second 1440p screen passes 4Gvram + 8Gs of ram on my system already - going forward newer games are likely to simply take more than that much RAM on 4k. The haswell refreshs and later 1150 boards are also the first configurations in forever to actually show marginal increases in having faster RAM going forward so I'd recommend 2133 or 2400 ram as opposed to slower ram as long as the difference in cost is small. I'm right on budget with my build, I can't really go much higher in cost without having to wait another month (not ideal) I thought the Z87 was fine with the components I selected, is it a major issue do I need to go for a Z97 board and pay that extra £40? I didn't think the speed of my ram would bottleneck my system so I thought 1600 is fine rather than 2133, I could always upgrade later down the line since it's a easy to replace part. So do I need a Z97 board? | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-z97-pro-gamer-intel-z97-s1150-ddr3-pcie-30-(x16)-quad-sli-quad-crossfirex-d-sub-(vga)-dvi-d-hdm | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On December 27 2014 01:37 Kupon3ss wrote: actually this board has the word progamer in it http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-z97-pro-gamer-intel-z97-s1150-ddr3-pcie-30-(x16)-quad-sli-quad-crossfirex-d-sub-(vga)-dvi-d-hdm Ok switch the board I listed with that then since it's same cost and newer, thanks for that. So is the build good with that board? | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On December 27 2014 01:39 Kupon3ss wrote: and i'd prefer faster ram since its about the same price So you are right, so G skill sniper 2x8gb 2400mhz for £120 is a good pick up then? | ||
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