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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 19 2014 19:38 GMT
#8661
It's ROG branded but doesn't seem as well built as some of the older or more expensive, premium options. Looks more like a multimedia laptop, one that even has throttling issues while gaming:
http://www.ultrabookreview.com/5255-asus-g771-review/

I mean, when a gaming laptop doesn't have an exorbitant price tag or the thickness and weight of a few bricks, something's gotta give. It does look to have an okay IPS panel.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
December 19 2014 23:31 GMT
#8662
well i dont exactly always have to play the latest game, im not that type of person.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1199&item_id=075937

is this a MUCH better setup than the g771?
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
December 20 2014 21:23 GMT
#8663
Hi guys. I'm looking at building my first PC, and was hoping you might be able to provide some suggestions for a build. I have something of an idea of what I might be looking for components-wise, but I'm not sure how to put it together into a complete build, thus why I'm asking for help. I'd also like to see if what I was thinking of getting was completely off-base to what people with more experience designing builds would suggest.


What is your budget?

~$2000 CAD (There's flex room here if needed, and less is fine )

What is your monitor's native resolution?

Currently 1920x1080, but I'd like to be able to scale up to higher resolutions.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

DotA 2, Total War games, Paradox strategy games, various AAAs, fighters, Kerbal space program, a bit of everything, really.

I'd like to play on High-Ultra settings, where reasonable.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

Software development, So, text editing, building software, testing software. Compiling large projects, either partial or full builds. Running VMs on occasion. I do some work with AI, so this involves lots of simulation, training, long running processes. Basically, lots of memory/cpu hungry threaded tasks.

I might also be interested in being able to stream, but this would be something I'd be doing in the future.

Do you intend to overclock?

If the benefits outweigh any potential drawbacks, yes.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?

Is this worth it? Are the performance benefits actually widely supported and cost efficient?

Do you need an operating system?

No, I'll probably end up dual booting Windows and Linux (Probably Fedora, maybe Arch or Gentoo).

I'd like to run Linux by itself, but I'm not sure that the gaming experience is easy/stable/available enough yet. I might try it and see how it goes.

Linux is free, and I can get a Windows license through DreamSpark.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

I'll need one monitor. This doesn't necessarily need to come out of my budget, but any savings on the build could be put towards a monitor. This doesn't have to be 1920x1080.

I'd probably be using this as my main monitor.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.

I think I'd prefer nvidia for GPU brand. As far as I'm aware, the nvidia proprietary driver has the best performance under Linux currently and for the foreseeable future.

I don't know if this matters for the build, but I have two cats and a dog, so anything you could suggest to eliminate dust/hair problems would be good, especially if it could affect temperature regulation or air-flow.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

Canada.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

I'd prefer to buy locally where possible. Probably http://www.memoryexpress.com/ or http://www.b-com.ca/ local stores. If I could save a lot buying online or there's a part not available locally, I'd consider it. I just don't like dealing with returning parts by mail if there's a defect, and shipping is slow.


The one part of the build where I really have no idea what might be best, is storage. I'd probably want to combine an SSD with one or more HDDs, However, I'm not sure what combination of these would be best, and then on top of that what partitioning scheme I would want to use to get the best performance while eliminating wear.

For Linux, I could probably use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives as a good starting point, but I'm not sure how much dual-booting Windows might complicate things. Any suggestions or related reading material would be helpful.


I'll probably be looking to buy in the near future, Do parts normally go on sale at all after Christmas? I'm just wondering if there'd be an opportune time to buy, or if that matters at all.

As well, if there's anything interesting coming out in the near future, I could be willing to delay my build if it would benefit me enough to do so.

Any help or build suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks!
you gotta dance
WeddingEpisode
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
December 20 2014 21:37 GMT
#8664
Would someone help me figure out a "new" motherboard for this
CPU?

AMD Phenom II X2 550 (Non-Black) Processor

My motherboard is quite weak. I can't afford a new entire computer.
How do I figure out the fastest motherboard from this older era that would
at least improve this CPU.

Thanks
Still diamond
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 20 2014 22:37 GMT
#8665
On December 21 2014 06:37 WeddingEpisode wrote:
Would someone help me figure out a "new" motherboard for this
CPU?

AMD Phenom II X2 550 (Non-Black) Processor

My motherboard is quite weak. I can't afford a new entire computer.
How do I figure out the fastest motherboard from this older era that would
at least improve this CPU.

Thanks


Getting a new motherboard wouldn't improve your CPU performance, it would just allow you to use newer CPU's if your old board did not support them for some reason
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
December 21 2014 18:56 GMT
#8666
On December 21 2014 06:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
No, I'll probably end up dual booting Windows and Linux (Probably Fedora, maybe Arch or Gentoo).


It's rumored that Daniel Robbins can install Gentoo in under a week.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 09:06:15
December 22 2014 09:05 GMT
#8667
On December 21 2014 06:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Hi guys. I'm looking at building my first PC, and was hoping you might be able to provide some suggestions for a build. I have something of an idea of what I might be looking for components-wise, but I'm not sure how to put it together into a complete build, thus why I'm asking for help. I'd also like to see if what I was thinking of getting was completely off-base to what people with more experience designing builds would suggest.


What is your budget?

~$2000 CAD (There's flex room here if needed, and less is fine )

What is your monitor's native resolution?

Currently 1920x1080, but I'd like to be able to scale up to higher resolutions.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

DotA 2, Total War games, Paradox strategy games, various AAAs, fighters, Kerbal space program, a bit of everything, really.

I'd like to play on High-Ultra settings, where reasonable.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

Software development, So, text editing, building software, testing software. Compiling large projects, either partial or full builds. Running VMs on occasion. I do some work with AI, so this involves lots of simulation, training, long running processes. Basically, lots of memory/cpu hungry threaded tasks.

I might also be interested in being able to stream, but this would be something I'd be doing in the future.

Do you intend to overclock?

If the benefits outweigh any potential drawbacks, yes.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?

Is this worth it? Are the performance benefits actually widely supported and cost efficient?

Do you need an operating system?

No, I'll probably end up dual booting Windows and Linux (Probably Fedora, maybe Arch or Gentoo).

I'd like to run Linux by itself, but I'm not sure that the gaming experience is easy/stable/available enough yet. I might try it and see how it goes.

Linux is free, and I can get a Windows license through DreamSpark.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

I'll need one monitor. This doesn't necessarily need to come out of my budget, but any savings on the build could be put towards a monitor. This doesn't have to be 1920x1080.

I'd probably be using this as my main monitor.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.

I think I'd prefer nvidia for GPU brand. As far as I'm aware, the nvidia proprietary driver has the best performance under Linux currently and for the foreseeable future.

I don't know if this matters for the build, but I have two cats and a dog, so anything you could suggest to eliminate dust/hair problems would be good, especially if it could affect temperature regulation or air-flow.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

Canada.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

I'd prefer to buy locally where possible. Probably http://www.memoryexpress.com/ or http://www.b-com.ca/ local stores. If I could save a lot buying online or there's a part not available locally, I'd consider it. I just don't like dealing with returning parts by mail if there's a defect, and shipping is slow.


The one part of the build where I really have no idea what might be best, is storage. I'd probably want to combine an SSD with one or more HDDs, However, I'm not sure what combination of these would be best, and then on top of that what partitioning scheme I would want to use to get the best performance while eliminating wear.

For Linux, I could probably use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives as a good starting point, but I'm not sure how much dual-booting Windows might complicate things. Any suggestions or related reading material would be helpful.


I'll probably be looking to buy in the near future, Do parts normally go on sale at all after Christmas? I'm just wondering if there'd be an opportune time to buy, or if that matters at all.

As well, if there's anything interesting coming out in the near future, I could be willing to delay my build if it would benefit me enough to do so.

Any help or build suggestions are very much appreciated. Thanks!



IMO 4690k+z97+cooler+OC, maybe gtx970 etc

honestly it's really awkward to go digging through specific sites in another currency and find actually optimal parts, maybe skyR knows CAD better
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 22 2014 09:10 GMT
#8668
at 2k budget and given the set of processor intensive tasks/possibility of VMs it may not be a bad idea to go X99 with 5820K
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 22 2014 09:13 GMT
#8669
yup!
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 09:54:03
December 22 2014 09:36 GMT
#8670
I was interested in what the canadian prices would look like for something like that and ended up with

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/kupon3ss/saved/#savedbuild_1810150

which does not seem to be entirely unreasonable

the issue with x99 builds is that you end up paying an extra 300 bucks for probably a 30% processor improvement on heavily multithreaded tasks, marginally better ram, and questionable future-upgradability


Which may or may not be worth it

You do feel a lot more badass though in theory
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 22 2014 09:41 GMT
#8671
better to get the msi 970 @$19 more expensive and a better cooler IMO
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
December 22 2014 09:43 GMT
#8672
I'm personally partial to the strix design because I like the peace and quiet but the MSI will perform and OC marginally better
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 10:12:35
December 22 2014 10:06 GMT
#8673
The strix doesn't have much noise advantage over MSI though, they perform pretty similarly and both allow for 0 RPM fan at configurable temperatures. Out of the box the MSI is a bit louder, but also using higher fan speeds and voltage. It's known as one of the best quiet coolers, it's not as loud nor as effective as the g1

the power limit on msi is ~12.25% higher (which is still too low) and it allows ~1.25v instead of ~1.2v
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 13:27:57
December 23 2014 13:17 GMT
#8674
Sapphire R9 270X DUAL-X OC GDDR5 2GB 256Bit -- 189 $
Pentium G3258 3.2 GHz -- 73 $
MSI H81M-P33 -- 50 $
Corsair builder 80Plus 450W -- 45$
2 x Hi-Level 2GB 1600Mhz DDR3 -- 2 x 28 = 56$

what do you think of this budget build guys? anything that does not fit there?
+ do replacing the cpu with an i3 worth it? if yes, which i3?
+ do replacing the gpu with a gtx 760 worth it?
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 15:11:18
December 23 2014 15:02 GMT
#8675
270 is usually better price/performance than 270x

the g3258 is the overclocking pentium, there is one at 3ghz that can be ~$10-20 cheaper. If you're overclocking a g3258, you need specific motherboards and i'm not sure which ones exactly work well for it

never heard of that RAM brand

the 2 last questions depend 99% on pricing
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-23 15:34:12
December 23 2014 15:32 GMT
#8676
On December 24 2014 00:02 Cyro wrote:
270 is usually better price/performance than 270x

the g3258 is the overclocking pentium, there is one at 3ghz that can be ~$10-20 cheaper. If you're overclocking a g3258, you need specific motherboards and i'm not sure which ones exactly work well for it

never heard of that RAM brand

the 2 last questions depend 99% on pricing



a gtx 760 adds about $30 (depending on the manufacturer maybe a little more) and a i3 4160 adds $50. Aaand a a R9 270 is $10-20 cheaper.
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 23 2014 17:30 GMT
#8677
Any suggestion for a good ~450w PSU @ uk?

www.overclockers.co.uk
www.amazon.co.uk
www.scan.co.uk etc

would just buy superflower gghx 450 but if there is any option that stands out that's significantly cheaper than £50 i will consider it
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 23 2014 17:43 GMT
#8678
Not really.

XFX 430W TS if you want a significantly lower price (£31.72 after VAT on scan). Possibly Be Quiet! Pure Power L8 500W if you're more focused on noise (you're not).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 23 2014 17:50 GMT
#8679
Thanks
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 23 2014 17:51 GMT
#8680
On December 24 2014 00:32 mantequilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2014 00:02 Cyro wrote:
270 is usually better price/performance than 270x

the g3258 is the overclocking pentium, there is one at 3ghz that can be ~$10-20 cheaper. If you're overclocking a g3258, you need specific motherboards and i'm not sure which ones exactly work well for it

never heard of that RAM brand

the 2 last questions depend 99% on pricing



a gtx 760 adds about $30 (depending on the manufacturer maybe a little more) and a i3 4160 adds $50. Aaand a a R9 270 is $10-20 cheaper.


probably not worth 760 (unless you want some nvidia feature), 270 vs 270x doesn't matter much at $10-20 cheaper and i3 depends what you want to use CPU for, which games or loads etc and how much you value CPU performance (from potentially higher clock speed and also added hyperthreading)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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