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Also I have been looking as PSUs based on your recommendation that I won't need 750W and the price difference when selecting only from modular PSUs is like ~20$ differential unless I go refurbished. I'm not really inclined to go refurb, though.
$25 cheaper, assuming you need modular, for a much better unit (modular makes much less of a difference on a lower capacity unit because you need most of the cables anyway)
Mostly want modular because otherwise I'll end up with a travesty that looks like my last machine: http://i.imgur.com/CdXh6KM.jpg
I don't think that's even possible in a half decent (not even expensive) case; that one has a top mounted PSU, no notable cable management features at all and barely fits the motherboard in
But did you have a laugh? The small fan that is mostly hidden by IDE cables died and the replacement I bought didn't fit so it just gently sits on top of the chip cooling with minimal contact. The whole thing is permanently on its side, heh. Given the HAF912 I think you're right. From the video I saw I can just tuck away extra cables behind the mounting plate until they're needed, so I'll check the non-modular ones out instead!
Wow
That's one of the huge reasons i'm not so interested in working with general PC repair etc (hardware or software) i guess 90% of systems just look something like that (no offense)
If you spend some, you can have cable management that looks like this without a modular PSU:
ASUS Z87-PRO states that it's 4690K-ready and way way cheaper than the HERO board I linked earlier (~$60+?). Looks like a good deal to me, is this an exception to the Z97-support general rule you implied earlier?
Almost all the Z87 boards support the i5-4690K and the newer processors, just with updated BIOS versions. Generally, you have no idea of knowing whether or not whatever board you get is old stock or not, but I guess newegg is saying that it's new stock.
That said, relatively expensive, high-end motherboards from Asus recently can actually flash new BIOSes via a USB flash drive without requiring a CPU to even be installed, so you could just do that anyway. Z87-Pro has this feature.
Newegg cart is showing me about $975 which is well within budget when including the OS. $90 of mail-in rebates currently listed so that's $885 after an inordinate amount of paperwork, right?
IF i recall correctly, the superclocked version of that particular card is the same thing, but just with a different stock clock speed because of a bios change and it OC's exactly the same as the cheaper one which means there's no reason to pay the extra if you're going to drag the sliders in MSI Afterburner yourself (which is much easier and faster than a proper CPU overclock)
I wouldn't recommend AS5 thermal paste, IIRC (again, lol) it doesn't perform particularly well (decently, but not amazing) but it has the downsides of being capacitive (dangerous to use in some places) and needing a cure time to compete with other pastes. All in all, thermal paste is thermal paste as long as it's not some terrible stuff, but there are options with no real downsides that also apply well. I bought some mx-4 i think 1.5 years ago, but without a ton of research into it
On December 18 2014 03:00 Cyro wrote: IF i recall correctly, the superclocked version of that particular card is the same thing, but just with a different stock clock speed because of a bios change and it OC's exactly the same as the cheaper one which means there's no reason to pay the extra if you're going to drag the sliders in MSI Afterburner yourself (which is much easier and faster than a proper CPU overclock)
I wouldn't recommend AS5 thermal paste, IIRC (again, lol) it doesn't perform particularly well (decently, but not amazing) but it has the downsides of being capacitive (dangerous to use in some places) and needing a cure time to compete with other pastes. All in all, thermal paste is thermal paste as long as it's not some terrible stuff, but there are options with no real downsides that also apply well. I bought some mx-4 i think 1.5 years ago, but without a ton of research into it
It comes with its own paste applicator, would I rather just use that and save the trouble? It's not like I'm going to push this thing to 6GHz
What comes with paste/applicator? Btw, applying paste for a hyper 212 style cooler (direct touch heatpipes) is actually different and a bit harder to do correctly than other coolers with just a flat contact plate
On December 18 2014 03:20 Cyro wrote: What comes with paste/applicator? Btw, applying paste for a hyper 212 style cooler (direct touch heatpipes) is actually different and a bit harder to do correctly than other coolers with just a flat contact plate
The cM Hyper 212 Plus comes with thermal paste. Actually from random review about one of Cooler Masters thermal pastes I think I actually will pick one to buy separately. The words "it's runny and harder to deal with than thicker substances (like the arctic silver). when i used this most recently, it did not quite harden in the 2 weeks of use." scare me.
I decided on MX-2R based on absolute arbitrariness.
On December 15 2014 03:45 Cyro wrote: Also, there are PSU's like the Superflower Golden Green HX450 at a similar price that are better. The cx500 is semi modular, but it only supplies 456w of 12v, it's less efficient and probably has significantly worse voltage regulation, ripple etc (i didn't check here, but it's probably true)
I'm quoting this post again because I'm about to buy the setup and have a last minute question about the PSU.
My list is now: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor - €89.90 ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard - €82.21 G.Skill AEGIS 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory - €78.23 Club 3D Radeon R9 280 royalKing, 3GB GDDR5, DirectX 11.2, OpenGL 4.4, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort - 173,87 Euro NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case - €49.90
[Storage and OS already on hand]
Isn't a 450w PSU a bit low? I read in the comment section on the Graphics Card that it needs a LOT of energy, and lots of people who have this one in their build use 600W+ PSUs. Just wanting to make sure. I can buy the one you mentioned for 63€.
Oh and does someone know a better/cheaper motherboard?
edit: I'm planning on buying from here since all the other stuff is available there for very cheap: http://www.hardwareversand.de/ Could you find me a good PSU for this setup on there? 50-70€ and available now/tomorrow would be optimal!
Also I have been looking as PSUs based on your recommendation that I won't need 750W and the price difference when selecting only from modular PSUs is like ~20$ differential unless I go refurbished. I'm not really inclined to go refurb, though.
$25 cheaper, assuming you need modular, for a much better unit (modular makes much less of a difference on a lower capacity unit because you need most of the cables anyway)
Mostly want modular because otherwise I'll end up with a travesty that looks like my last machine: http://i.imgur.com/CdXh6KM.jpg
Had some spare time today so I spent a couple hours managing my cables on my antec 300 (what a nightmare of a case). Went from looking even worse than that to a level that doesn't quite physically hurt to look at
On December 15 2014 03:45 Cyro wrote: Also, there are PSU's like the Superflower Golden Green HX450 at a similar price that are better. The cx500 is semi modular, but it only supplies 456w of 12v, it's less efficient and probably has significantly worse voltage regulation, ripple etc (i didn't check here, but it's probably true)
I'm quoting this post again because I'm about to buy the setup and have a last minute question about the PSU.
My list is now: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor - €89.90 ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard - €82.21 G.Skill AEGIS 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory - €78.23 Club 3D Radeon R9 280 royalKing, 3GB GDDR5, DirectX 11.2, OpenGL 4.4, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort - 173,87 Euro NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case - €49.90
[Storage and OS already on hand]
Isn't a 450w PSU a bit low? I read in the comment section on the Graphics Card that it needs a LOT of energy, and lots of people who have this one in their build use 600W+ PSUs. Just wanting to make sure. I can buy the one you mentioned for 63€.
Oh and does someone know a better/cheaper motherboard?
edit: I'm planning on buying from here since all the other stuff is available there for very cheap: http://www.hardwareversand.de/ Could you find me a good PSU for this setup on there? 50-70€ and available now/tomorrow would be optimal!
On December 15 2014 03:45 Cyro wrote: Also, there are PSU's like the Superflower Golden Green HX450 at a similar price that are better. The cx500 is semi modular, but it only supplies 456w of 12v, it's less efficient and probably has significantly worse voltage regulation, ripple etc (i didn't check here, but it's probably true)
I'm quoting this post again because I'm about to buy the setup and have a last minute question about the PSU.
My list is now: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor - €89.90 ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard - €82.21 G.Skill AEGIS 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory - €78.23 Club 3D Radeon R9 280 royalKing, 3GB GDDR5, DirectX 11.2, OpenGL 4.4, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort - 173,87 Euro NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case - €49.90
[Storage and OS already on hand]
Isn't a 450w PSU a bit low? I read in the comment section on the Graphics Card that it needs a LOT of energy, and lots of people who have this one in their build use 600W+ PSUs. Just wanting to make sure. I can buy the one you mentioned for 63€.
Oh and does someone know a better/cheaper motherboard?
edit: I'm planning on buying from here since all the other stuff is available there for very cheap: http://www.hardwareversand.de/ Could you find me a good PSU for this setup on there? 50-70€ and available now/tomorrow would be optimal!
Seems like it (regular power quad core CPU, 860m w/ gddr5 though you don't know if it's kepler or maxwell 860m) - can't really comment on build quality, screen, cooling etc
EPT
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Do you have another one you can recommend?
