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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://www.overclock.net/t/1500086/why-you-should-not-buy-an-evga-430-500-500b-600b-psu http://hardwareinsights.com/wp/corsair-vs450-review/2/ http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=384 All other things seem to be mostly even after 10 minutes of google. The EVGA unit has slightly better voltage regulation, I think I would still go VS450 since the ripple is so bad on the EVAG unit. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
He can reuse the case and the hard drive from his old computer, so just need mobo, cpu, gpu (if necessary), psu, and ram. Maybe add an SSD boot drive since those things are getting cheaper and cheaper nowadays. What is your budget? $400 What is your monitor's native resolution? 2 monitors, one 1280x720, one 1280x960 (old old 4:3 monitor lol don't ask) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? League, max settings would be nice What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? watching streaming video, basic school stuff (word processing, etc) Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. none What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg, Amazon | ||
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Osyrul
257 Posts
I have some questions: 1) My core clock can go up to 1353mhz, which exceed the boost clock. Why is that? I thought boost clock is the maximum speed. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/drqaz/3f8292a9fe.png) 2) Are gedosato tool and DSR the same? Performance/quality wise, should i prioritize one over another? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On December 12 2014 17:53 Osyrul wrote: Thanks for the help guys, I finally built my first PC. I have some questions: 1) My core clock can go up to 1353mhz, which exceed the boost clock. Why is that? I thought boost clock is the maximum speed. 2) Are gedosato tool and DSR the same? Performance/quality wise, should i prioritize one over another? 1; No. The "boost clock" stated is pretty irrelevant. The max clock speed is the max boost clock, which is higher than the boost clock and it's not the same, even on two cards of the same model 1353 is very low for a 970, the good cards regularly hit 1550 core 2; No. gedosato is kinda hacky compared to DSR, it's unofficial and only works with certain games/engines/api's etc. Due to DSR's bad gaussian filter when you're scaling down anything less than 4x your monitors native resolution though, it might be good to use gedosato for some games that support it well | ||
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Osyrul
257 Posts
On December 12 2014 20:02 Cyro wrote: 1; No. The "boost clock" stated is pretty irrelevant. The max clock speed is the max boost clock, which is higher than the boost clock and it's not the same, even on two cards of the same model 1353 is very low for a 970, the good cards regularly hit 1550 core 2; No. gedosato is kinda hacky compared to DSR, it's unofficial and only works with certain games/engines/api's etc. Due to DSR's bad gaussian filter when you're scaling down anything less than 4x your monitors native resolution though, it might be good to use gedosato for some games that support it well 1) Are you talking about overclocking? Mine is at default. Sorry if I confused you. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On December 12 2014 20:53 Osyrul wrote: 1) Are you talking about overclocking? Mine is at default. Sorry if I confused you. There is full stock, factory OC (what you have) and manual OC - you should really spend an hour seeing what clock speeds you can use with a 970. Factory overclocked cards usually ship with ~1.175-1.225v depending on at least one thing, but while my card does ~1316 on 1.225v out of the box, it does ~200mhz higher on the same voltage just from dragging a slider. 1000 (1200?) more on the memory, too - it's rare to see something that you can get 15-20% more performance on without overvolting. | ||
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
On December 11 2014 15:06 Incognoto wrote: @Motlu, it's tough making a decision of power supplies on that retailer's site, though I think the Corsair VS450 should be a better choice here. It's not the greatest PSU, however it has much better voltage regulation than the EVGA 430W unit. http://www.overclock.net/t/1500086/why-you-should-not-buy-an-evga-430-500-500b-600b-psu http://hardwareinsights.com/wp/corsair-vs450-review/2/ http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=384 All other things seem to be mostly even after 10 minutes of google. The EVGA unit has slightly better voltage regulation, I think I would still go VS450 since the ripple is so bad on the EVAG unit. Thanks for the replies! I have discovered some wriggle room in my budget and am considering getting a slightly more expensive PSU at around $80-100 AUD (again from the same retailer MSY). Would an upgrade to a Corsair VS650 be beneficial or could I do better? Link to retailer's website: http://www.msy.com.au/qld/morningside/24-power-supply#/page-3 Edit: Also how is this Wireless Adapter? http://www.msy.com.au/peripherals/7681-tp-link-tl-wn881nd-300mbps-wireless-n-pci-e-adapter.html | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On December 13 2014 20:54 Motlu wrote: Thanks for the replies! I have discovered some wriggle room in my budget and am considering getting a slightly more expensive PSU at around $80-100 AUD (again from the same retailer MSY). Would an upgrade to a Corsair VS650 be beneficial or could I do better? Link to retailer's website: http://www.msy.com.au/qld/morningside/24-power-supply#/page-3 Edit: Also how is this Wireless Adapter? http://www.msy.com.au/peripherals/7681-tp-link-tl-wn881nd-300mbps-wireless-n-pci-e-adapter.html Probably the antec neo eco. It's kind of an old PSU but it's better than most of the other units on that site (Japanese Caps, good performance) there besides the EVGA 750 B2. The EVGA 750 B2 is a rebranded Superflower Golden Green which makes it a very good power supply but it's overkill for what you're looking for. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
That said, I'd take that Neo Eco 520C for the price over the other options, probably. Best available under 100 AUD is the Antec True Power Classic 450W, though. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
and yeah I had to do some research before saying anything i think the antec HCG 520 is a rebranded S12II, got that from here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1439106/antec-power-supplies-information-thread true power classic 450W is also good apparently but at that price, ouch, it's only a 450W unit Before getting either true power or high current, I would just take the EVGA 750W since it's also a good PSU and at very least you can do more things with it, such as SLI or a big AMD cards. E: wait a second that review doesn't match that power supply. dang it i can't find a review on that exact power supply to be perfectly frank. http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=317192 from distant memory though neo ecos are PSUs which won't blow up your computer | ||
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
Just a final (yeah right  ) question, I have the option of getting a SSD (Samsung 840EVO 120gb) if I drop my GPU to a 750ti from the 760. For a PC primarily geared towards playing SCII, it is my understanding that the 750ti will suit my needs almost just as well as the 760 however I do plan on trying out some more recent releases when it strikes my fancy and I was wondering if the SSD would be worth the graphics drop. I have been watching too many videos on youtube and I have been entranced by those ridiculous boot times. My poor wallet. Thanks again for all the help! | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
 It's been a while since I've posted here. Now I was wondering if you could do a quick lookover of my planned new PC.Country: Germany I already have: - A 128gb Crucial SSD - A 1tb WD HDD - Windows 7 http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/2F77ZL AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor - €89.90 ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard - €82.21 G.Skill AEGIS 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory - €78.23 Club 3D Radeon R9 280 royalKing, 3GB GDDR5, DirectX 11.2, OpenGL 4.4, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort - 173,87 Euro [note: this specific video card was not available on PCPartPicker] NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case - €49.90 Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply - €59.90 Total: ~540€ with shipping All comments/alternative lists are welcome, here are a couple of questions I have: - Will I regret not going for an i5 instead? :D - How quiet would this thing be? Do you have recommendations on how to get it more quiet? - Related: Would you guys absolutely recommend getting a separate CPU Cooler? If yes, which one (should be silent but not too expensive)? The PSU and the Case are pretty much whatever, I just picked them because they were recommended somewhere, if you have better alternatives for the same price (or less, wouldn't mind saving a few bucks) please tell me. Games: Right now mostly CS:GO, looking forward to The Witcher 3. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On December 15 2014 03:28 chocopaw wrote: Hey everyone. It's been a while since I've posted here. Now I was wondering if you could do a quick lookover of my planned new PC.Country: Germany I already have: - A 128gb Crucial SSD - A 1tb WD HDD - Windows 7 http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/2F77ZL AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor - €89.90 ASRock 970 EXTREME4 ATX AM3+ Motherboard - €82.21 G.Skill AEGIS 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory - €78.23 Club 3D Radeon R9 280 royalKing, 3GB GDDR5, DirectX 11.2, OpenGL 4.4, DVI, HDMI, 2x Mini DisplayPort - 173,87 Euro [note: this specific video card was not available on PCPartPicker] NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case - €49.90 Corsair CX 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply - €59.90 Total: ~540€ with shipping All comments/alternative lists are welcome, here are a couple of questions I have: - Will I regret not going for an i5 instead? :D - How quiet would this thing be? Do you have recommendations on how to get it more quiet? - Related: Would you guys absolutely recommend getting a separate CPU Cooler? If yes, which one (should be silent but not too expensive)? The PSU and the Case are pretty much whatever, I just picked them because they were recommended somewhere, if you have better alternatives for the same price (or less, wouldn't mind saving a few bucks) please tell me. Games: Right now mostly CS:GO, looking forward to The Witcher 3. There is a new revision of the True Spirit 140, i'm not sure exactly what the name is so look it up! so it has a version of the ty-147? that runs at ~340-1300rpm IIRC. I think that's around like 40 euros for the cooler but maybe out of your price range, but it should be ridiculously quiet at the low end of the RPM range, even at 1300 those fans are not very loud compared to some other potential noises in system. I would save for i5 personally, unless you want to replace your CPU/mobo/RAM with Skylake (and overclock maybe) in a year or so. Good upgrade windows are ~1 year from now or ~3 years from now, coinciding with Intel CPU gen's - aside from that, it's just speculation. An fx6300 is nice, but you might not want one for three years (or it might be fine for you, depending on your uses and performance expectations) With an aftermarket CPU cooler, the graphics card will be the loudest thing in your case by far when everything is loaded. If you have quiet case fans especially. Choose your graphics card brand (cooler) carefully if you care about that. Also, there are PSU's like the Superflower Golden Green HX450 at a similar price that are better. The cx500 is semi modular, but it only supplies 456w of 12v, it's less efficient and probably has significantly worse voltage regulation, ripple etc (i didn't check here, but it's probably true) | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
On December 15 2014 03:45 Cyro wrote: There is a new revision of the True Spirit 140, i'm not sure exactly what the name is so look it up! so it has a version of the ty-147? that runs at ~340-1300rpm IIRC. I think that's around like 40 euros for the cooler but maybe out of your price range, but it should be ridiculously quiet at the low end of the RPM range, even at 1300 those fans are not very loud compared to some other potential noises in system. I would save for i5 personally, unless you want to replace your CPU/mobo/RAM with Skylake (and overclock maybe) in a year or so. Good upgrade windows are ~1 year from now or ~3 years from now, coinciding with Intel CPU gen's - aside from that, it's just speculation. An fx6300 is nice, but you might not want one for three years (or it might be fine for you, depending on your uses and performance expectations) With an aftermarket CPU cooler, the graphics card will be the loudest thing in your case by far when everything is loaded. If you have quiet case fans especially. Choose your graphics card brand (cooler) carefully if you care about that. Also, there are PSU's like the Superflower Golden Green HX450 at a similar price that are better. The cx500 is semi modular, but it only supplies 456w of 12v, it's less efficient and probably has significantly worse voltage regulation, ripple etc (i didn't check here, but it's probably true) Thanks for replying! - I would consider buying the true spirit if it makes my system really quiet, but i have to ask: can you recommend something in the 20-30€ price span as well? - So investing ~80€ more in an i5 would make the rig more futureproof? I would still want to use it in 3 years? (Another CDP game I'm looking forward to is Cyberpunk 2077, and I'm pretty sure that will be quite the hardware killer :D) - Thanks for the PSU tip, efficiency is always nice. Do you know a better case as well? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
- I would consider buying the true spirit if it makes my system really quiet, but i have to ask: can you recommend something in the 20-30€ price span as well? I can't really, bigger fans cool better at the same noise level but usually come with bigger heatsinks too (which also help, but are just more expensive) and i don't think there's a fan really better than this new ty-147 variant, on a true spirit 140 power it's an extremely effective cooler as well as having almost 0 noise potential - So investing ~80€ more in an i5 would make the rig more futureproof? I would still want to use it in 3 years? You just have to think about when you're upgrading, and if you really want to keep an fx-6300 until like, end of 2017. If not, are you going to upgrade it in a year with skylake (new mobo, new cpu, new ddr4 RAM)? If you don't want to keep an fx6300 for 3 years and you don't want to upgrade in 1 year either, than i5 can fit between there as something that performs better and you could be happier with until the generation after the one that's 1 year away. Case, not sure at lower price points (: i like super expensive nice ones with tons of airflow and little concern for noise, but the fractal design define r5 might be good for you if the price point fits. Honestly i forgot what that price point was, but more expensive than what you picked there | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
True Spirit 140 doesn't even fit in that case. At a lower price and height (to actually fit), there's the True Spirit 120, which is not as good, obviously. In fact, getting it significantly quieter under heavy load would increase the whole system cost by 10-25% or so, depending on how far you go. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Thermalright TY-147A Utra-low noise; Dimension: 152x140x26.5mm Weight : . . 160g Speed: . . . 300~1300RPM (PWM controlled) Noise : . . . 15~21dBA Air Flow: . . 16.9~73.6CFM Connector: 4 Pin (PWM Fan connector) and the version is this AFAIK: TRUE Spirit 140 BW Rev. A | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
What is your budget? Preferably between 800-1200 including OS (Win 8.1 Pro Retail) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 (32" TV) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SC2 / Diablo 3 / Given the opportunity some newer titles. I'm comfortable with medium/medium-high settings. Not necessary to hit MAX, prefer performance to quality but won't say no to quality that comes with the new hardware. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Going to be running some VMs, hosting video / audio / pictures as a secondary function across the local network. Future video capture / editing for Youtube-ification of gameplay or whatever other hobbies I end up falling into in the next decade. Do you intend to overclock? Yes. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes. Windows 8.1 Professional Retail. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Nvidia graphics preferred. Haven't been in the market to know who the big names are, though. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg, Amazon So I've scoured for price/performance buys and here's the list I've compiled so far: Case -- $60 -- Cooler Master HAF 912 -- Nothing flashy, airflow big concern because of overclocking. (Not interested in watercooling) Mainboard -- $200 -- ASUS Maximus VII Hero -- Plenty of SATA connectors should I need to add more HDDs, smart overclocking via BIOS. This might be a bit high priced for me but I am thinking about video creation / capture in the future. Power -- $90 -- Corsair CSM750M -- Modular, plenty of power forever and ever. Memory -- $151 -- Corsair Sniper Series 2x8GB - XFM overclock profile-ready, dual channel kit plenty of RAM for running multiple VMs. CPU -- $220 -- Intel Core i5-4690k -- Some gentle overclocking is expected Graphics card -- $140 -- EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB -- TomsHardware recommended budget buy SSD Boot/programs -- $110 -- Crucial MX100 256GB Storage -- $52 -- WD Blue 1TB -- Generic hard drive, don't know how to choose among them. Mobo can support up to 6 HDDs I think. So for now I'm looking to replace my Lenovo IdeaPad Y550 that I purchased at the end of 2009 and have been using as a desktop computer. I'll be gifting it to my folks who are in desperate need of a new laptop after cleaning it up and transferring all my crap over. My future plans are to try my hand at some video capture (I'll need to get a capture card eventually) but just slipping into a fresh computer sounds really beautiful to me. Any recommended changes / alterations to the concepts would be appreciated. The prices and stuff am less concerned about deal-wise right now, so long as the whole thing will eventually come together and scream. | ||
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