EPTNot sure how I could ever justify buying one since I have a 7970 right now that's doing its job.
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Not sure how I could ever justify buying one since I have a 7970 right now that's doing its job. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/5 It starts about half way down on the page, the section named "VR Direct". I just hope that stuff is available to use for playing on a normal screen with mouse for looking around, and not just for a VR headset with head tracking. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
On September 19 2014 18:47 Ropid wrote: The latency stuff on this page here is super interesting: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/5 It starts about half way down on the page, the section named "VR Direct". I just hope that stuff is available to use for playing on a normal screen with mouse for looking around, and not just for a VR headset with head tracking. Yea, that was my thoughts exactly. It should theoretically have basically no benefit when you can laugh and render a game at thousands of FPS, but for those stuck lower than 200, especially a lot lower, it would really change the playing field. Even @150fps they can potentially remove as much as a quarter to even a third of the latency experienced by someone on a clean 144hz setup, but at lower FPS it'd be more At the very least, the OS latency stuff should be applicable - but the warp thingy if it's usable too could be amazing on top of that | ||
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Abradix1
Netherlands609 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Originally Posted by ManuelG We’re excited to have DSR available on GeForce GPUs. This brand new technology has been initially focused on Maxwell GPUs and will be available on Kepler GPUs as soon as testing completes. Look for this support in an upcoming Game Ready driver. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
On September 20 2014 00:36 Abradix1 wrote: Definitely going to pick up dual 970s once they are available here... They are available. Azerty and Alternate have a bunch of them not sold out yet. I'm waiting another 2 weeks, hopefully everything will be restocked then. I really can't wait. My first major GPU upgrade at launch. The raw performance for the price of the GTX 970 with the added bonuses of Maxwell they announced it's just a super card, I just really hope I can squeeze in a G-sync monitor too, but it's more expensive than the actual graphics card itself, heh. http://www.twingalaxies.com/live/ Linustechtips are doing a full 24 hour broadcast of ''mod24'', where 3 amazing team of modders try to build the most amazing PC. It's awesome. | ||
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Abradix1
Netherlands609 Posts
On September 20 2014 01:58 Thalandros wrote: They are available. Azerty and Alternate have a bunch of them not sold out yet. I'm waiting another 2 weeks, hopefully everything will be restocked then. I really can't wait. My first major GPU upgrade at launch. The raw performance for the price of the GTX 970 with the added bonuses of Maxwell they announced it's just a super card, I just really hope I can squeeze in a G-sync monitor too, but it's more expensive than the actual graphics card itself, heh. http://www.twingalaxies.com/live/ Linustechtips are doing a full 24 hour broadcast of ''mod24'', where 3 amazing team of modders try to build the most amazing PC. It's awesome. Welp, that teaches me to not trust the Tweakers' pricewatch to see if anything is in stock. I suppose I'll be ordering a whole new build tonight then. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
On September 20 2014 02:44 Abradix1 wrote: Welp, that teaches me to not trust the Tweakers' pricewatch to see if anything is in stock. I suppose I'll be ordering a whole new build tonight then. Tweakers actually showed everything in stock, I used it primarily  | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/h4Y7Mp CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor Mobo: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard GPU: GTX 980: specific piece tbd. Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler PSU: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply A few of the parts are on sale, and the rest I could get now, or wait a couple of weeks to see if any sales pop up. If something stands out I would really appreciate any advice. Also any suggestions on a case to put it in as I have no knowledge of what is important to look for in one, except I need an external slot for an optical drive. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On September 20 2014 07:11 Ropid wrote: There's a scandal brewing atm with regards to the Samsung 840 EVO's performance. Better put a Crucial M550 or MX100 on your list instead. Do you mean this? Samsung acknowledges the ssd 840 evo performance bug. fix is on the way. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung-840-evo-read-speed-drops-on-old-written-data-in-the-drive http://www.overclock.net/t/1512915/read-speeds-dropping-dramatically-on-older-files-benchmarks-needed-to-confirm-affected-ssds The problem really is no joke if you look at the pictures some guys measured there, especially on the more recent pages of the threads after the discussion got more popular and more people tested their drives. There's some remarkably shitty results. If you don't quite understand the problem, what happens is, you'll install for example Windows and in three or four or five months all Windows files will have dropped in speed from 500 MB/s to 50 MB/s. If you installed a game a bunch of months ago, the speeds get so low that installing the game on a modern HDD would have it load faster. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On September 20 2014 08:28 Ropid wrote: Yes. These are the two threads in the ocn.net forums: http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung-840-evo-read-speed-drops-on-old-written-data-in-the-drive http://www.overclock.net/t/1512915/read-speeds-dropping-dramatically-on-older-files-benchmarks-needed-to-confirm-affected-ssds The problem really is no joke if you look at the pictures some guys measured there, especially on the more recent pages of the threads after the discussion got more popular and more people tested their drives. There's some remarkably shitty results. If you don't quite understand the problem, what happens is, you'll install for example Windows and in three or four or five months all Windows files will have dropped in speed from 500 MB/s to 50 MB/s. If you installed a game a bunch of months ago, the speeds get so low that installing the game on a modern HDD would have it load faster. So, wait - does this problem effect the entire 840 Evo line? Because I haven't really noticed any issues with mine. (Also, upgrading the firmware will probably be a pain, because it hasn't worked yet on my drive.) It's an 840 EVO 250gb from about Oct 13. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
 It seems it's all Samsung TLC drives.Upgrading firmware isn't a pain at all? On Windows that Samsung Magician software will do it all for you including searching and downloading and there's no need to burn an optical disc or create a bootable USB stick or anything like that. I guess the problem gets hidden well for starting programs and booting Windows because that's a lot of tiny reads from a lot of different files. Even if it's very slow doing that, it will still beat a HDD because the HDD just dies reading from a lot of different files. But the HDD can seriously keep up or beat it when starting a game because the game's developers will have taken a bit of care to make loading the game's data easy for the HDD by putting it in large files that get read from start to finish. Try the program from this post here to test (it also has a rewrite feature for files to fix things): http://www.overclock.net/t/1507897/samsung-840-evo-read-speed-drops-on-old-written-data-in-the-drive/500#post_22863275 | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
However Samsung claims they're working on a firmware version that solves the problem. Do you think that is enough to not change my plans? Also looking at http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wW8vsY now, I added a Corsair case, bringing me to: CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor Mobo: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard GPU: GTX 980: specific piece tbd. Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler PSU: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R Seems to all fit together, but second opinions would be greatly appreciated. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/w4ksMp CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor Mobo: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard GPU: GTX 980: specific piece tbd. Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler PSU: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 20 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote: Part of it has to do with not knowing what TLC stands for :p Inside the chips, TLC crams double the amount of data into the same space as MLC does. With regards to these Samsung news, I'm seriously worried that there might be some fundamental problem with TLC, so I'd rather wait for Samsung to actually release that firmware update before buying an 840 EVO. Crucial MX100 is MLC and is one of the only drives that could keep up in price and performance with the Samsung. The older Crucial drives were all good drives but couldn't beat the price so they didn't get recommended over the Samsung. + Show Spoiler + In the chips, there's cells that get a charge put into them when writing. When reading, that charge gets measured and translated into a value. SLC saves { 0, 1 } values in the cells. MLC saves { 00, 01, 10, 11 }. TLC saves { 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101, 110, 111 }. So dealing with that charge to value translation works very robust for SLC but SLC is super expensive. MLC is a lot cheaper, and TLC probably needs some trickery to make it work. Until very recently Samsung were the only ones that managed to make TLC work for SSDs. | ||
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On September 20 2014 09:43 Ropid wrote: Inside the chips, TLC crams double the amount of data into the same space as MLC does. With regards to these Samsung news, I'm seriously worried that there might be some fundamental problem with TLC, so I'd rather wait for Samsung to actually release that firmware update before buying an 840 EVO. Crucial MX100 is MLC and is one of the only drives that could keep up in price and performance with the Samsung. The older Crucial drives were all good drives but couldn't beat the price so they didn't get recommended over the Samsung. + Show Spoiler + In the chips, there's cells that get a charge put into them when writing. When reading, that charge gets measured and translated into a value. SLC saves { 0, 1 } values in the cells. MLC saves { 00, 01, 10, 11 }. TLC saves { 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101, 110, 111 }. So dealing with that charge to value translation works very robust for SLC but SLC is super expensive. MLC is a lot cheaper, and TLC probably needs some trickery to make it work. Until very recently Samsung were the only ones that managed to make TLC work for SSDs. Awesome, yeah, all of the research can be irritating, because it ultimately raises more questions than answers, so that is useful information. Thank you. | ||
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