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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
What is your budget? $600 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 (need to get a new monitor). What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? No games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing very intensive: internet/movies/word-processing/some database programming. Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, she needs a monitor (which is part of the budget). If someone could suggest something, that'd be great. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No brand preferences. A DVD drive is required. A ~250GB solid state drive would also be nice to have. She won't need any additional storage other than that. If possible, she'd also like for the case to be on the smaller side. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Any US retailer is fine. She has a microcenter location nearby. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On March 15 2014 13:37 mav451 wrote: 4.5 @1.35 is only slightly worse than average. I'd play around with your VRIN to see if you can get that vcore down a bit. I'd probably still run the custom looping x264 test from the OCN thread to get a longer running stress test in there. Which P95 are you using, and what test specifically? Oh god...I can't remember. It's been a while since I've used that computer and even longer since I overclocked it. Unfortunately I had to move for a temp job and didn't bring my desktop with me. + Show Spoiler + Echo everything mav said (though it's like 100mhz down from average if it can't be improved), everyone should read the OCN thread Here's one of the more recent loops: http://download1346.mediafire.com/pf1y1esf6qhg/2laifu8xqi6vz2g/x264 Stability Test.7z Example of running and my performance: + Show Spoiler + Very relevant: [image loading] ^High end air, i5, 1.25vcore set in bios, manual volts There's little logic using IBT for example, as it's just older version of linpack that's not updated to use avx2 instructions. If you use the updated one, it's crazy hot and you have to use like 1.0-1.1vcore because of the massively increased power draw* - yet if you use regular IBT, it's just hotter than other tests without really being of more help to find the points where you are stable * x264 pass 2 = ~116w Peak Vcore = 1.080 Hottest core = 51c LinX 0.6.5 with 6144 memory entered = ~170w (~192 GFlops) Peak Vcore = 1.092 Hottest core = 78c "It's at the wall for the entire system. System: 4670k 2x4GB ram 7950 one five year old mechanical hard drive (was always spun up) one SSD two 120mm pwm fans four 140mm fans seasonic ss-660xp 600w psu (rated platinum)" ^1.05vcore set, entire system power draw peak 116w with full CPU load from encoding. Compared to Linpack with avx2.. power draw is 54w higher, and that's >added< to the power draw from full load CPU at ~1.08vcore. Wall numbers, but it's a seasonic plat rated PSU and the difference is very alarming. Example here: If we take 20c case temp (which is optimistic even in a ~17c room) then the 51c result is 31c above ambient, the 78c result is 58c above ambient. Since the best way to measure temperatures is degrees over ambient and the difference measured by degrees C increases as you go higher on volts (shown above in chart) it's pretty insane This is partly why it's common practice now to test for stability instead of worst case temperatures and you can do so quite effectively with things like x264, specific fft's set in some versions of prime and good overclocking practice Thanks for the tips. I'll save this message for when I can back home so I can test it later. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On March 16 2014 04:47 HiroPro wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm looking to build a computer for my mom. I have a new Antec Earthwatts 380D lying around, so I don't need a power supply. What is your budget? $600 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 (need to get a new monitor). What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? No games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing very intensive: internet/movies/word-processing/some database programming. Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, she needs a monitor (which is part of the budget). If someone could suggest something, that'd be great. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No brand preferences. A DVD drive is required. A ~250GB solid state drive would also be nice to have. She won't need any additional storage other than that. If possible, she'd also like for the case to be on the smaller side. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Any US retailer is fine. She has a microcenter location nearby. Say hello to the era of good-enough computing? Intel Celeron G1820 (Haswell 2.7 GHz dual core) - $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974 MSI H81I - $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130735 ADATA 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz (unless you think 8 GB is needed) - $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211855 Crucial M500 240GB - $120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694 LG DVD burner - $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136270 Cooler Master Elite 120 - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119261 Dell P2414H - $220 http://www.amazon.com/Dell-WHXV7-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00EMB4KVI There are similar monitors without a height-adjustable stand for maybe $30-40 less. You could arguably get an i3, but that's not really all that much better for say $70 more too. | ||
Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:15 Myrmidon wrote: Say hello to the era of good-enough computing? Intel Celeron G1820 (Haswell 2.7 GHz dual core) - $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974 MSI H81I - $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130735 ADATA 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz (unless you think 8 GB is needed) - $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211855 Crucial M500 240GB - $120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694 LG DVD burner - $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136270 Cooler Master Elite 120 - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119261 Dell P2414H - $220 http://www.amazon.com/Dell-WHXV7-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00EMB4KVI There are similar monitors without a height-adjustable stand for maybe $30-40 less. You could arguably get an i3, but that's not really all that much better for say $70 more too. Will this work for me as well (spoilered below)? I have no idea how computationally intensive things besides SC2 etc are so am not good at judging the "good enough" bottom segment for cost-efficient builds. + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2014 08:34 xes wrote: I'm helping a friend out with a computer build. He will be using it almost exclusively for productivity (coding, statistical analysis, stock charts). The biggest thing is he wants to drive 3 monitors off of it. I was thinking like the X4 750k, but are there any FM2 socket motherboards that support 3 displays stock? If you have to add on a cheap graphics card anyways it might be easier to skimp out even more on the CPU. I'm looking to cheap out on the CPU/mobo as much as possible to funnel money into tons of RAM and SSDs since those typically are the bottlenecks for most of this stuff. He also doesn't want to upgrade for another 5 years, so probably buying the latest version of stuff is better than trying to save money by going 2-3 years back. What is your budget? <$400 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080, possibly 27"+ korean IPS panels for 2560x1440 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Netflix What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Photoshop, Matlab, SAS, mySQL Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Separate budget What country will you be buying your parts in? USA | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On March 16 2014 05:15 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 16 2014 04:47 HiroPro wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm looking to build a computer for my mom. I have a new Antec Earthwatts 380D lying around, so I don't need a power supply. What is your budget? $600 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 (need to get a new monitor). What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? No games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Nothing very intensive: internet/movies/word-processing/some database programming. Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, she needs a monitor (which is part of the budget). If someone could suggest something, that'd be great. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No brand preferences. A DVD drive is required. A ~250GB solid state drive would also be nice to have. She won't need any additional storage other than that. If possible, she'd also like for the case to be on the smaller side. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Any US retailer is fine. She has a microcenter location nearby. Say hello to the era of good-enough computing? Intel Celeron G1820 (Haswell 2.7 GHz dual core) - $50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974 MSI H81I - $65 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130735 ADATA 4 GB DDR3 1600 MHz (unless you think 8 GB is needed) - $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211855 Crucial M500 240GB - $120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694 LG DVD burner - $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136270 Cooler Master Elite 120 - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119261 Dell P2414H - $220 http://www.amazon.com/Dell-WHXV7-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00EMB4KVI There are similar monitors without a height-adjustable stand for maybe $30-40 less. You could arguably get an i3, but that's not really all that much better for say $70 more too. Thanks! That was pretty much exactly what I was looking for. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Also, you'd want 8 GB of RAM at least for that usage. Maybe a hard drive too? It's impossible to stay in budget for that with an SSD, especially since that needs a power supply too. Haswell can do three displays off the integrated graphics, but I don't know what the restrictions are. I mean, you need a motherboard with support for all the outputs, but I don't know which might be tied together (use one or the other but not both). You'd be out of luck and needing a discrete graphics card above 1200p. No way you can do three 1440p off of integrated graphics. I don't think you can do even three 1080p off AMD unless using at least one DisplayPort, unless somehow the integrated graphics feature set for a certain design is greater than that of the desktop graphics it corresponds to. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
(Also, noticed this card is "out of stock" on NewEgg, and there are horror stories on the Asus ROG forums about the fans fins breaking and being declared customer induced damage despite breaking due to just spinning and contacting the heatsink.) I used GPU Tweak to manually set the fans to 100% - and it sounds like I've got a mini jet turbine in my case. So I'm not too worried about the fan, I am just wondering - am I using so little of the GPU power or is something off here? (I think I have good airflow through the case, but c'mon.) To address Myrmidon's point above, I have yet to see a reasonably priced Radeon of any kind that supports 3 monitors out of the box without using DisplayPort. Even if you've got two DVI and an HDMI, it will only drive two displays. (By reasonably priced, I mean "consumer" - their enterprise workstation cards probably can.) | ||
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
On March 14 2014 07:24 Leeto wrote: My uncle asked me to build him a desktop for software development. He specified that he wanted an i7, with 16gb RAM, but other than that it is flexible. I assume he will not need much graphics power, so the integrated graphics on the i7 should be just fine. What is your budget? $750, plus or minus 150 What is your monitor's native resolution? One monitor, 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? None What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Software development Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg is nice I'm looking at these so far: Intel Core i7-4771 (300$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116941 WD 1TB blue (60$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 Generic DVD drive (15$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 Nice looking, cheap case (30$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208052 Looking for a good set of 16gb RAM, motherboard, and PSU to finish it off. Any suggestions? Also, quick question: is installing 16gb ram just as simple as buying 4 4gb sticks and inserting them all into the motherboard, or is there something else that I'd have to take into account? | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
I think 2x8gb is usually recommended over 4x4gb, though. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:29 Craton wrote: Pretty much. I think 2x8gb is usually recommended over 4x4gb, though. That may depend on if it's dual channel or quad channel. | ||
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
On March 14 2014 07:24 Leeto wrote: My uncle asked me to build him a desktop for software development. He specified that he wanted an i7, with 16gb RAM, but other than that it is flexible. I assume he will not need much graphics power, so the integrated graphics on the i7 should be just fine. What is your budget? $750, plus or minus 150 What is your monitor's native resolution? One monitor, 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? None What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Software development Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg is nice I'm looking at these so far: Intel Core i7-4771 (300$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116941 WD 1TB blue (60$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 Generic DVD drive (15$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 Nice looking, cheap case (30$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208052 Looking for a good set of 16gb RAM, motherboard, and PSU to finish it off. Any suggestions? I'm going to go with this build, does everything look okay? It's not going to be used for gaming, so I skipped out on the graphics card. Specifically, is the PSU adequate for this build? And are the RAM/CPU/Motherboard all compatible with each other? CD drive 15$ Case 40$ After rebate WD blue 1tb 60$ PSU 30$ After rebates/coupon 16gb (2x8) ram 135$ motherboard 81$ after rebate Intel core i7 4771 300$ Total: 661$ after rebates | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
You know you don't need Z87 for anything, right? Though if you're including rebate pricing and not scared off by the small sample size of bad user reviews, it's fine. If you want to be more paranoid and get something with more features, VRM heatsinks, four RAM slots, etc., it's not going to be a whole lot less, e.g. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128607 Technically you can save $10 on the processor by getting the exact Xeon equivalent: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116909 I'm very much not convinced on needing an i7 and 16 GB of RAM, especially over getting an SSD, but I guess it depends on the compilers, libraries, types of projects in general, etc. Well, even adding a Crucial M500 240GB to that as it is (you may need an extra SATA cable too) doesn't really kill the budget, so maybe do that: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148694 edit: you know, with a stock CPU cooler, no discrete graphics, and minimal number of drives, that is going to be one really really empty box you have there for the build—not that it's an actual problem per se. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:10 felisconcolori wrote: So... noticed something while researching other issues with my Asus R9 280x DirectCU II TOP card. I was thinking "Hey, this is a quiet card". But while monitoring GPU Tweak for temperature and fan speed while gaming and some light benchmarking (Fleet Swarm thing - it was free) I noticed that the fan defaults to 20% - and no matter the stress I put on it in normal usage and gaming (BF4 on Ultra super without mantle, things like that) it maybe goes to 22% fan and the temp might reach 59 C. ... I used GPU Tweak to manually set the fans to 100% - and it sounds like I've got a mini jet turbine in my case. So I'm not too worried about the fan, I am just wondering - am I using so little of the GPU power or is something off here? (I think I have good airflow through the case, but c'mon.) 59C is extremely cool for a GPU, it probably starts putting the fan up to speed at the 70+C mark or something. Also keep in mind that some fans are extremely loud, like the stock 290x and only hit like 50% speed on stock settings at any temp (iirc). Just leave the fan on the stock settings until a problem occurs. | ||
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Craton
United States17275 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:10 felisconcolori wrote: So... noticed something while researching other issues with my Asus R9 280x DirectCU II TOP card. I was thinking "Hey, this is a quiet card". But while monitoring GPU Tweak for temperature and fan speed while gaming and some light benchmarking (Fleet Swarm thing - it was free) I noticed that the fan defaults to 20% - and no matter the stress I put on it in normal usage and gaming (BF4 on Ultra super without mantle, things like that) it maybe goes to 22% fan and the temp might reach 59 C. (Also, noticed this card is "out of stock" on NewEgg, and there are horror stories on the Asus ROG forums about the fans fins breaking and being declared customer induced damage despite breaking due to just spinning and contacting the heatsink.) I used GPU Tweak to manually set the fans to 100% - and it sounds like I've got a mini jet turbine in my case. So I'm not too worried about the fan, I am just wondering - am I using so little of the GPU power or is something off here? (I think I have good airflow through the case, but c'mon.) To address Myrmidon's point above, I have yet to see a reasonably priced Radeon of any kind that supports 3 monitors out of the box without using DisplayPort. Even if you've got two DVI and an HDMI, it will only drive two displays. (By reasonably priced, I mean "consumer" - their enterprise workstation cards probably can.) That star swarm benchmark is more of a CPU benchmark than GPU really. It's there to show off mantle. 59°C is quite cool so nothing to worry about. I'm pretty sure that every GPU at full fan speed sounds like a turbine engine. Gaming in general at 1080p won't heat up a 280X all that much as far as I know. 59°C sounds about right. Edit: yeah AMD says that apparently 95°C is safe for the 290 series but I just say fruit that. The cooler the better. The less voltage the better. Don't forget to look at VRM temperatures either. Use GPU-Z or something to make sure they don't go too high but if your core temperature is only 59°C your VRM must not be all that high either. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On March 16 2014 16:04 Rollin wrote: 59C is extremely cool for a GPU, it probably starts putting the fan up to speed at the 70+C mark or something. Also keep in mind that some fans are extremely loud, like the stock 290x and only hit like 50% speed on stock settings at any temp (iirc). Just leave the fan on the stock settings until a problem occurs. lol 59 degrees....i'm playing titanfall for 3 hours and my gpu is a good 90+ degrees....granted i'm on a laptop but still.... | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
What is your current build? CPU: Intel i5-2500K (currently not overclocked) GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1024MB GDDR5 RAM: 4GB PC3-10660 DDR3-1333 CL7 MB: Asus P8P67 LE Rev. 3.0 Socket 1155, ATX, DDR3 SUP: be quiet! Pure Power L7 530 Watt What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080, dual monitor setup Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? Play current games with higher settings, currently I have to drop down to medium quality on most games What is your budget? 300-400€ What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. Prefer Intel CPUs and NVIDIA graphic cards, but it's not set in stone | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On March 16 2014 18:42 PandaCore wrote: So I was thinking of upgrading my system and wondering which part(s) would be the most efficient to upgrade. I assume it's probably gonna be the GPU and more RAM. What is your current build? CPU: Intel i5-2500K (currently not overclocked) GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1024MB GDDR5 RAM: 4GB PC3-10660 DDR3-1333 CL7 MB: Asus P8P67 LE Rev. 3.0 Socket 1155, ATX, DDR3 SUP: be quiet! Pure Power L7 530 Watt What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080, dual monitor setup Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? Play current games with higher settings, currently I have to drop down to medium quality on most games What is your budget? 300-400€ What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. Prefer Intel CPUs and NVIDIA graphic cards, but it's not set in stone GPU ~ http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/858?vs=854 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/858?vs=827 though you might want to wait until later in this year to upgrade 2 gens as we're only one ahead of your card (400/500 series, 600/700 series) CPU OC might benefit, depending on game | ||
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