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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
The biggest problem I have with my ancient drives is I have no currently operating computers with IDE ports. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/ I forgot what the methodological concerns were here, but anyway, have some context on the data. | ||
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
What is your budget? $750, plus or minus 150 What is your monitor's native resolution? One monitor, 1920x1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? None What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Software development Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. None What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg is nice I'm looking at these so far: Intel Core i7-4771 (300$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116941 WD 1TB blue (60$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 Generic DVD drive (15$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 Nice looking, cheap case (30$) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208052 Looking for a good set of 16gb RAM, motherboard, and PSU to finish it off. Any suggestions? | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
He will be using it almost exclusively for productivity (coding, statistical analysis, stock charts). The biggest thing is he wants to drive 3 monitors off of it. I was thinking like the X4 750k, but are there any FM2 socket motherboards that support 3 displays stock? If you have to add on a cheap graphics card anyways it might be easier to skimp out even more on the CPU. I'm looking to cheap out on the CPU/mobo as much as possible to funnel money into tons of RAM and SSDs since those typically are the bottlenecks for most of this stuff. He also doesn't want to upgrade for another 5 years, so probably buying the latest version of stuff is better than trying to save money by going 2-3 years back. What is your budget? <$400 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080, possibly 27"+ korean IPS panels for 2560x1440 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Netflix What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Photoshop, Matlab, SAS, mySQL Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Separate budget What country will you be buying your parts in? USA | ||
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
On March 12 2014 16:32 Cyro wrote: 1; Performance does not degrade like this, it's most likely just your perception. I had a better CPU than you in WOL and that simply didn't really happen. A lot of people seem to convince themselves that performance is better than it is, and they usually don't benchmark to back it up, it's really surprisingly common around here. Sc2 chokes with lots of units, it always has done and a lot of people really don't check FPS very much, are just too busy when there's maxed armies running around to notice it unless it's really bad, or just check performance in one fight and assume others will be the same when max ling+baneling might have 1/4 the perfomance of maxing with thors. Also, >depending on the map or type of fight<, reflections can be a big performance hit. Effects can too, HOTS physics will wreck FPS in some cases. That's all optional, though. Unless you're waiting on etc a hard drive which has not been defragmented or your components are literally thermal throttling (which is easy to check and fix) then you won't lose performance in this way 2; GPU doesn't really matter, especially for min FPS in sc2. On med/low settings (competitive) i've seen 770 below 10% load 3; If you're not under a high load with a 4670k, it'll just sit at 800mhz and 0.7v or less. c6/c7 idle state and integrated voltage regulator are great for this, it's one of the main advancements that intel worked for years for on this CPU release. I'm oc'd, yet voltages are only >1.0vcore like 10% of the time; there's really no danger here I am consistently lagging in each battle, and I simply press CTRL+ALT+F when I launch the game and periodically check on it. Across the board, from early game to lategame I have lower fps than I'm used to. --killed quote-- If you already have a 660 and two ssd's, i have no idea where you would want to spend even a fraction of that budget, aside from important stuff like case (but you said cheap) and a decent power supply $250 Processor $180 motherboard $100 ram $60 CPU fan (GPU has a fan) $80 PSU All together this adds up to $670 even after discounts. Oh and a case, so we can add another $50 to that, $720 CAD. That's quite close to the $1,000 cap I put on it  | ||
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Craton
United States17282 Posts
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
edit: I think it's because I still have the old thought process of buying the nicest motherboards possible so that I can upgrade whatever part I want in the future. | ||
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Craton
United States17282 Posts
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
oh boi oh boi | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Corsair H60 is also very bad. Noctua NH-U14S for $10 more is much better. You mention you have no intention of doing SLI so you don't need a 750w unit, even a 650w unit is plenty for SLI 660. Why that particular Kingston memory? It's 1600MHz at 1.65v aka bad. There are better performing and less expensive G.Skill and Corsair kits. All three companies sponsor esports fyi. That CPU + motherboard combo is also not spectacular on price. | ||
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
A lot of the decisions are not made on technical know-how, 750W? That's cause my PSUs have crashed on me over... and over.. and over again. edit: Again, I'm asking for help, otherwise I wouldn't be in this thread ^^ | ||
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Craton
United States17282 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Not all power supplies are made equal and more wattage does not equate to better quality or more power in some cases. A 600w unit can be far worse than a 450w unit. Not saying the Seasonic is bad, Seasonic is a good manufacturer and the M12II is great. But many of the bigger brands (eg. Coolermaster) has higher wattage units that are far worse than a 450w unit from say Seasonic or another quality manufacturer. If your older unit was a shit model than the problem would be that because: 1) it was labelled for peak power instead of continuous power. So if you had 400w unit that was labelled as peak power then as soon as you approached the 400w mark, you'd have problems. All quality units are labelled for continuous, meaning a 500w unit will be able to provide 500w of power continuously without problems for the next couple of years. 2) the shit units use poor quality components. If it was an older model that was carried over to a modern computer with a GTX 660 than the culprit would be because there was not enough power on the 12v rail. Older units were designed for older components, the CPUs back than ran off the 5v rail and GPUs weren't massive power hogs. Nowadays, these two power hungry components both run off the 12v rail. Your typical $200 CPU with $200 GPU system today only needs like 200w of power or less during your typical gaming loads. Also, a more expensive motherboard does not contribute to performance that matters, at least not for your typical consumers. More expensive motherboards have better chipsets (eg. Intel NIC instead of the Realtek or Broadcomm NICs you find on lower-end models) but this doesn't really contribute to anything meaningful in gaming. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
I then decided to go for a 450W coolermaster, which is also on its last legs. I think I read somewhere that my 660 should only eat up 390W total while playing, but I think I need a larger buffer and will go for a 550W. If not this motherboard? Which? edit: The bundle I linked is $399.99 | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Z87X-D3H for $141 is a good choice. It's still way better than what the typical user needs: http://products.ncix.com/detail/gigabyte-z87x-d3h-atx-lga1150-z87-11-84040-1230.htm You can pricematch to $135 at MemoryExpress if you're not too bent on buying everything from one retailer. If you got 390w from a review than you need to read the review again. 390w is AC power from the wall for the entire computer. Your power supply converts AC to DC power for the components so it's a bit less than 390w. A GTX 660 by itself consumes under 150w during load. Coolermaster isn't an actual power supply manufacturer. They get other manufacturers to make it for them to put their sticker on it so there's a huge variety in the quality of their power supplies. Some like the Silent Pro line are good while others like Extreme Power are very bad. Since it's a recent purchase, it will still be under warranty so you should probably RMA it. | ||
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
Thanks for all your help, as something just came up for me tomorrow I'll probably end up buying all the parts on the weekend. The only reason I want to work with NCIX is because it's a nearby store to me, and I don't own a credit card to order everything online. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On March 14 2014 11:25 Thaniri wrote: Its because I was getting bundle discounts really. I don't REALLY want to spend a lot of money, but I still want to get the performance I need. I'm trying to balance price and my needs at the same time. A lot of the decisions are not made on technical know-how, 750W? That's cause my PSUs have crashed on me over... and over.. and over again. edit: Again, I'm asking for help, otherwise I wouldn't be in this thread ^^ You sound a lot like a friend I have who bought a Z87 Gigabyte mobo + i5 4670k combo and a 1000W PSU that cost $130. He doesn't have an aftermarket cooler, has no idea how to overclock but uses excuses like "I'll overclock in a few years" and "the guy at memoryexpress says I need a 1000W PSU for my computer" (he runs a single gtx 760 also at stock clock speed). At the same time I bought an i5 4560k with an Noctua NH-D14 and adjusted my overclock for around 5 hours and eventually got it to stabilize at 4.5GHz. I spent $40 on a cheap-ass 750W EVGA Supernova PSU and upgraded to a GTX 770 which is I overclocked only slightly because it came pre-overclocked. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On March 14 2014 10:50 Thaniri wrote: I am consistently lagging in each battle, and I simply press CTRL+ALT+F when I launch the game and periodically check on it. Across the board, from early game to lategame I have lower fps than I'm used to. $250 Processor $180 motherboard $100 ram $60 CPU fan (GPU has a fan) $80 PSU All together this adds up to $670 even after discounts. Oh and a case, so we can add another $50 to that, $720 CAD. That's quite close to the $1,000 cap I put on it PSU would have to be done anyway. you'd need a decent power supply, even on your current system. Junk PSU is literally a fire hazard and nobody wants to deal with that. I'm sure you can find 8gb of RAM under $100, especially basic stuff. i5 4570 is $220 You can get great z87 for less (z87x-d3h). You don't need z87 though, you can get a board for like $80 no problem. No need for $60 CPU cooler. A CPU that uses like 60 watts at load isn't actually that hard to keep cool. Stock cooler is designed explicitly to keep these CPU's cool at stock settings at full load - if you're not using the highest model (~4771) and also loading integrated graphics while maxing cpu cores, it's not really a concern at all People already covered most stuff i said If you have less performance than you're used to on the system, it's fixable because performance does not degrade like that. An i5 4670k @3ghz will not perform worse if you use it for 5 years, the only things changing are potential software changes (sc2 runs terribly now but it has always ran terribly) or user perception At the same time I bought an i5 4560k with an Noctua NH-D14 and adjusted my overclock for around 5 hours and eventually got it to stabilize at 4.5GHz. I spent $40 on a cheap-ass 750W EVGA Supernova PSU and upgraded to a GTX 770 which is I overclocked only slightly because it came pre-overclocked. What settings/testing? | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
$800 USD What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SC2 max setting, multi player, and streaming What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? streaming SC2 Do you intend to overclock? No Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Intel CPU, probably NVIDIA GPU because AMD cards are inflated. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None So I saw this part list from newegg It looks pretty similar to the template build in the OP. What do you guys think? | ||
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