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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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y0su
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://www.overclock.net/t/1384681/fractal-design-core-1000-owners-club/190#post_21915905 Though it looks all right for a case and it's roomy inside for stuff like cable management, which isn't so bad imo. Wouldn't recommend getting a CX series PSU though. | ||
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MysticNinja
United States13 Posts
On March 09 2014 17:48 MysticNinja wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey guys thanks for the suggestions. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out. Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you. I've been doing a little research and saving my money. I think I'm finally ready to purchase the parts! I decided to go with the i3-4330. I had the 4340 in but I was having trouble keeping within my budget so decided to go with the 4330. I was trying to keep it under $400 but decided that I could go up to $500 with shipping included. I asked a friend for his input as well and he suggested: CPU: Intel Pentium G3420 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($71.99 @ Mwave) I think I would like to stick with the i3 but if the performance difference will be negligible it would make sense to save the money. What do you think? I know the i3 has hyper threading and the pentium does not but I really have no idea what that means exactly. I also was reading some of the reviews for the i3 and noticed that a few people said that it ran hot. Someone else recommended: CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling UCACO-AP11301-BUA01 Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($9.99 @ Newegg) This seems reasonable for only ten dollars. Would this be a good choice to help keep the temperature down on the i3? Or will the stock cooler be just fine? A few other recommendations were made: Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg) Feel as if there is little difference here and while saving $6 is nice, I think I'd like to get the gskill one if only because they support/sponsor esports. However I would go with the cheaper one if it performed better, but it seems unlikely. Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg) This could potentially save me quite a bit. So I'm interested in possibly swapping this out for the one I have chosen now. I don't think the computer will ever end up getting a discrete graphics card added so perhaps going with the lower wattage is a better choice. I just don't wanna end up with a junk PSU that will go out in a year or two. Help? Also, am I supposed to be getting a micro ATX power supply since my case is a MicroATX mid Tower or will either one of these fit just fine? I was also hoping someone could help me with the wireless network adapter. I really have no idea on that one... is the one I chose gonna be just fine or is there a better choice somewhere in that price range? Maybe I should spend more? Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) It was also suggested that if my Mom doesn't need that much space I should get her a SSD instead of the hard drive I have selected now. I think that 120GB would be enough for my Mom and I could always add a hard drive later if she ends up filling this one up, but I'm unfamiliar with this particular brand. Good choice? Here is what I have right now with the above changes in the air. Your help is greatly appreciated! PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i3-4330 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($42.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX US) Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Microcenter) Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg) Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($21.14 @ Amazon) Total: $449.07 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-09 03:47 EDT-0400) Wow! That case is definitely bigger than I thought it was. Thanks for the pictures Incognito. I'm a little confused about the CX series PSU that you don't recommend though... did you mean the corsair one or the XFX one? I'm guessing it's the Corsair one but I want to make sure. How can I choose a PSU to reduce heat (or bulk) as was stated/why is my PSU affecting the heat (too many watts?) ? I'm a little confused as to how building a smaller case will help with the heat... Is it because you can more easily move the air through the case? It seems to me the bigger the case the more air within the case making it more ventilated and easier for air to move around in it. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. I like that core 1000 case though. Maybe I will switch to that. How much more difficult will it be to deal with things like cable management and such when working in a smaller case? Negligible? or can it be such a headache that it might be worth it to just stick with the larger case so I can more easily get at everything (it is my first build...)? Anything I need to change about my build if I get the smaller case? After more research it seems that the Pentium is better suited for my mother's needs. Especially at half the price of the i3. It seems that in memory intensive programs the i3 shines much better than the Pentium but the Pentium is much more price efficient and is not out performed by much in other situations. http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/297/Intel_Core_i3_i3-4340_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3430.html Because I don't have a dedicated GPU the processor will run hotter (?) so perhaps getting that after market cpu cooler is a good idea now? Maybe more fans for the case? I noticed the core 1000 only has one. It has space for a 92 mm optional fan in the rear and a 120 mm optional fan in the side panel. I went with the 120 mm fan on the side panel but I'm not sure if that's the most efficient. Sorry for all the questions guys. I really appreciate the help though! Here is the updated build: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Pentium G3420 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($71.81 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling UCACO-AP11301-BUA01 Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($9.98 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($42.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Microcenter) Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC) Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($21.14 @ Amazon) Case Fan: Cooler Master Blade Master 76.8 CFM 120mm Fan ($11.99 @ NCIX US) Total: $412.85 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) 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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258067 However, it's $100 above his budget, but I think his budget is a bit unreasonable considering that the Canadian dollar is currently low and he's not able to put it together himself. Also it doesn't have a DVD drive, which is easy to solve for most of us but perhaps not for him... Lastly, I don't know the HD 7730 and Google doesn't seem to recognize that there is a non-mobile version of that piece of shit... Is it good enough? Any of you can find a better one? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On March 09 2014 23:56 Djzapz wrote: A really annoying person I know is asking for a PC that'll properly run SC2 on medium for $500 and he keeps pestering me. He doesn't know how to build a PC and I certainly won't build it for him, so it needs to be pre-built. The closest I've found is this: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258067 However, it's $100 above his budget, but I think his budget is a bit unreasonable considering that the Canadian dollar is currently low and he's not able to put it together himself. Also it doesn't have a DVD drive, which is easy to solve for most of us but perhaps not for him... Lastly, I don't know the HD 7730 and Google doesn't seem to recognize that there is a non-mobile version of that piece of shit... Is it good enough? Any of you can find a better one? Well if you don't like the person I would definitely recommend telling him to get that build. @mystic ninja: CX series is indeed the series from Corsar, which are shit. Go for the XFX, it's good. Most other Corsair PSUs are decent to good (AX series for example). I think their VS series are also kind of crappy. Edit: The Core 1000 is indeed a great budget case. It's dirt cheap and it's all right. It's smaller than the N200. The N200 is a budget case for people who want to buy those clc coolers with big radiators. However, it's also a big, roomy case which probably has decent airflow and room for managing cables. I would say both cases are solid picks. However cable management in the Core 1000 can be messy. I've never managed to clean mine up to my satisfaction, though I've seen others pull it off on oc.net. If you're just going to build the computer and close everything up it's not a problem. The smaller case recommendation isn't about ventilation (where a big case with lots of room for big fans would be better at). It's about looking good / sleek. If you're going to build a pentium running on integrated graphics, you won't be generating much heat, so you don't need a big case with good airflow. that's what our friend meant. If you really want a smaller case, just make sure it fix microATX sized motherboards (which is the size of the board you're getting. The processor will indeed run a tiny bit hotter if you use integrated graphics, but it's nothing the stock cooler can't handle. I have played SC2 on my 4670's integrated graphics without seeing bad temperatures. Stock cooler will be fine; often on the internet you'll see people hating it. They're just not nice, that's all. You'll also see people get huge, expensive and noisy clc coolers instead of quieter looking high-end cooling. Stock cooler is really bad if you want to overclock though, which you can't with a pentium anyway. @Djzapz: look for something with a haswell i3. make sure it has windows. the gpu will probably suck regardless of what you find unfortunately. it's really best to build stuff yourself though. H81 board with an i3 and a gtx 750 and you're set. i think it's possible to stay under $500 with such a set up. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 10 2014 00:23 Ropid wrote: You should look for something with Intel i3 instead of an AMD CPU. That FX-6300 is competitive when it can use all of its six cores, but SC2 only uses about one and a half cores, so the i3 that only has two cores and might seem crappy is actually thoroughly beating the FX-6300. @Djzapz: look for something with a haswell i3. make sure it has windows. the gpu will probably suck regardless of what you find unfortunately. it's really best to build stuff yourself though. H81 board with an i3 and a gtx 750 and you're set. i think it's possible to stay under $500 with such a set up. Yeah I can't find anything with an i3 AND a semi-decent GPU which is what I would build if it was for myself. Unfortunately, it seems like all the pre-made builds were devised by brain dead people. Like who comes up with the gaming builds for $700 with fucking APUs and 16gb DDR3? | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On March 10 2014 01:38 Djzapz wrote: Yeah I can't find anything with an i3 AND a semi-decent GPU which is what I would build if it was for myself. Unfortunately, it seems like all the pre-made builds were devised by brain dead people. Like who comes up with the gaming builds for $700 with fucking APUs and 16gb DDR3? People who make money off people who don't know better. It's shameful. I also tried looking up some rigs and they're all bad. Building a computer is kind of easy, it's a shame your friend can't do it himself. Another possibility is getting an HP prebuilt or something with an i3, maybe a Xeon, on integrated graphics. Then you get a GTX 750 and just plop the sucker in. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 10 2014 01:41 Incognoto wrote: People who make money off people who don't know better. It's shameful. I also tried looking up some rigs and they're all bad. Building a computer is kind of easy, it's a shame your friend can't do it himself. Another possibility is getting an HP prebuilt or something with an i3, maybe a Xeon, on integrated graphics. Then you get a GTX 750 and just plop the sucker in. Yeah but then I'd need to explain to him how to put a GTX 750 in and install drivers and he'd ask me to do it and when I said no he'd tell his mother that I'm not helpful and she'd tell mine and I'd then get a phone call from my mother saying hey how are you, I talked to your childhood friend's mother and apparently you're not very nice, has something happened? You guys ok? Yeah that happened before. Fun anecdotes aside, there doesn't seem to be an option for me to just link him one thing and run away  | ||
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skyR
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
so its better than the i5 4670? but that also means the FX 8xxx series is useless in gaming right? since most games only use up to 4 cores? also, what about the APUs? are the A10 series worth getting over the A8 in terms of gaming? i hear the only difference is that the A10 has a better ingegrated gpu? EDIT: also im curious, are the athlon series outdated CPU? how old are they? EDIT2: i mean the athlon 2 and the phenem series btw, not the old old old school ones :D | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
In fact, especially in the future, games could use the extra cores more so than some other programs. It'd take a lot for the extra cores to matter more than the extra performance per core though. The desktop APUs use the same architectures and processes as the FX except for the newest line, Kaveri, that doesn't have an FX counterpart and is also on a smaller manufacturing process. Essentially it's the same thing but no L3 cache, lower core count, and lower clock speeds, so worse. Except you get integrated graphics. And except that especially with Kaveri, some rare applications can use those integrated graphics cores for general compute (potentially significantly more in the future) and sometimes quite effectively. Anyway, it's a lot to spend unless you're actually using the integrated graphics. A10/A8 distinction is just clock speeds and integrated graphics differences. However, different models of A10 and different models of A8 are already distinguished from each other in those two ways; the line of demarcation between A8 and A10 is thus largely arbitrary. New Athlons are APU models with integrated graphics disabled. Athlon II is Phenom II without L3 cache. It was the last architecture before Bulldozer, superior per core and clock to Bulldozer. A few years ago, a midrange Phenom II X4 was significantly cheaper than say a Core i5 7xx and comparable in price to Core i3, so it was a decent value pick. Same for some Athlon IIs. Phenom II is from 2008; early models had DDR2 support. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On March 10 2014 08:06 Myrmidon wrote: New Athlons are APU models with integrated graphics disabled. Athlon II is Phenom II without L3 cache. It was the last architecture before Bulldozer, superior per core and clock to Bulldozer. A few years ago, a midrange Phenom II X4 was significantly cheaper than say a Core i5 7xx and comparable in price to Core i3, so it was a decent value pick. Same for some Athlon IIs. Phenom II is from 2008; early models had DDR2 support. does this basically mean that the Athlons are like the A series (like the A10) but w/o the IGPU? like in this video + Show Spoiler + at the ~~1:13 min mark, he mentions that the AMD Athlon X4 750K is bascially a AMD A10 5800k w/o the IGPU. how does this comparision work? what is he basing the comparison on? is it just the fact that the A10 is a quad core like the x4 with the similar stock Ghz? so basically, the Athlon X2 340 Trinity is a AMD A6-5400K but w/o the igpu? (same dual core and same stock Ghz) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On March 10 2014 07:44 IMKR wrote: As i know it, the FX- 8xxx series has 8 cores right? so its better than the i5 4670? but that also means the FX 8xxx series is useless in gaming right? since most games only use up to 4 cores? also, what about the APUs? are the A10 series worth getting over the A8 in terms of gaming? i hear the only difference is that the A10 has a better ingegrated gpu? EDIT: also im curious, are the athlon series outdated CPU? how old are they? EDIT2: i mean the athlon 2 and the phenem series btw, not the old old old school ones :D FX-8 has four modules, 8 threads. There was some info on this on your ocn thread  For the record also, AMD doesn't currently offer a CPU capable of beating a 4670k in video encoding workloads at the ~~1:13 min mark, he mentions that the AMD Athlon X4 750K is bascially a AMD A10 5800k w/o the IGPU. how does this comparision work? what is he basing the comparison on? is it just the fact that the A10 is a quad core like the x4 with the similar stock Ghz? AFAIK it's literally just the same silicon with the GPU parts disabled. | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
On March 10 2014 08:22 Cyro wrote: FX-8 has four modules, 8 threads. There was some info on this on your ocn thread For the record also, AMD doesn't currently offer a CPU capable of beating a 4670k in video encoding workloads AFAIK it's literally just the same silicon with the GPU parts disabled. sorry, im just asking so many questions that i cant keep all the infos str8 lol. are you Cyro999 on ocn?? :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On March 10 2014 08:25 IMKR wrote: sorry, im just asking so many questions that i cant keep all the infos str8 lol. are you Cyro999 on ocn?? :D Maybe Lots of stuff is just re-used silicon with parts disabled, gtx660ti, 760, 670, 780, 770 are all the same gk104 die (just with varying parts disabled), as is 7950/7970 etc, i think even FX cpu's follow this practice in that if four modules work and meet spec they'll sell as fx-83xx, if three do but one does not then they will just disable the one that doesn't work or meet spec and sell it as an fx-63xx, etc. Not sure on that one, though | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
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coL.hendralisk
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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