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On February 27 2014 19:22 DusTerr wrote:I'd get the second one (i5-4440). The video cards are pretty even according to http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1124?vs=1125. Getting the Haswell (4th gen) CPU is worth the price difference for SC2.
Ok thanks but i would be able to run sc2 smoothly during all game and in big battles witout lag if i pick the i5-4440 and AMD Radeon R7 250 ? so i dont waste my money if i buy this one ?
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Hmm that's a bit better, much better than the prebuilt, however..
Why do you absolutely want the i5? If you can't answer this question you might as well get an i3, save some money. The money would be better spent buying a full-blown 1080p monitor or something. A slow i5 is arguably worst than a fast 3.6 GHz i3. An i3 has hyperthreading which helps close the gap between dual-core and full-blown quad core, keep that in mind. I can't be sure, perhaps Cyro will confirm, but a fast i3 may even be able to do better at tasks such as streaming than a slow i5. RTW2 knocks maybe €30 off the price, if you sell it that is.
The R7 260X slightly out-performs the GTX 650 Ti it seems, so that's a good catch. It seems that they finally lowered the 260X's price.
I'm not sure about the case, never heard good things about Zalman cases. Not sure if I would save 20 lei over the Core 1000, which is a very reptuable budget case. I've never heard of someone being unhappy for having bought it.
4 Gb of RAM over 8 Gb is an interesting trade off. 8 Gb has always been seen as the go-to amount these days, as it's sufficient for most activities. 4 Gb? I don't know. Here is the amount of RAM I use with just SC2 playing a replay and web browsers open: http://i.imgur.com/NsetgRg.png
So 4 Gb is really close to the limit. I'm not sure I would make this concession.
Edit: here, mouse over SC2: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/901-4/performances-jeux-3d.html
you'll see that for SC2 (and most games that aren't well threaded, ie games generally speaking), what makes the difference isn't the number of cores, what makes the difference is clock speed.
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On February 27 2014 20:08 Incognoto wrote:Hmm that's a bit better, much better than the prebuilt, however.. Why do you absolutely want the i5? If you can't answer this question you might as well get an i3, save some money. The money would be better spent buying a full-blown 1080p monitor or something. A slow i5 is arguably worst than a fast 3.6 GHz i3. An i3 has hyperthreading which helps close the gap between dual-core and full-blown quad core, keep that in mind. I can't be sure, perhaps Cyro will confirm, but a fast i3 may even be able to do better at tasks such as streaming than a slow i5. RTW2 knocks maybe €30 off the price, if you sell it that is. The R7 260X slightly out-performs the GTX 650 Ti it seems, so that's a good catch. It seems that they finally lowered the 260X's price. I'm not sure about the case, never heard good things about Zalman cases. Not sure if I would save 20 lei over the Core 1000, which is a very reptuable budget case. I've never heard of someone being unhappy for having bought it. 4 Gb of RAM over 8 Gb is an interesting trade off. 8 Gb has always been seen as the go-to amount these days, as it's sufficient for most activities. 4 Gb? I don't know. Here is the amount of RAM I use with just SC2 playing a replay and web browsers open: http://i.imgur.com/NsetgRg.pngSo 4 Gb is really close to the limit. I'm not sure I would make this concession. Edit: here, mouse over SC2: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/901-4/performances-jeux-3d.htmlyou'll see that for SC2 (and most games that aren't well threaded, ie games generally speaking), what makes the difference isn't the number of cores, what makes the difference is clock speed.
yea but i mean isn't the i5 last longer that an i3 ? in the near future games isnt this i5-4440 run better than an i3 -4130?
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There's no way it's worth it to get an i5 for playing sc2 when you have a very limited budget which also has to pay for entire system including GPU; you would have to pay significantly more for a balanced system including an i5 and then you'd be left with a 1280x1024 screen because you didn't throw money there too when you have a strong midrange system (unless you got say a weaker GPU for lower res screen, planning to keep it for 2-3yrs+..)
yea but i mean isn't the i5 last longer that an i3 ? in the near future games isnt this i5-4440 run better than an i3 -4130?
Yes but a stronger GPU etc would also be the same case. Not saying i5 is worthless, just like four 780ti's would run better, but what makes sense to get is down to budget allocation etc. If you plan to play sc2 mainly and can't afford more than a lower end GPU, it doesn't make sense to then pull money out of the rest of the system to get a quad core CPU
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What should I overclock? Totally new to overclocking. Also I think maybe linking a couple of link/videos on overclocking on the OP can be helpful, if there is a general explanation that can fit across many devices.
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What should I overclock?
cpu, gpu
gpu is locked at 1.212v so you can only set it to whatever clocks are stable on core and memory (factory clocks are low "guarantees")
In practice that's mostly increasing voltage from 1.2v to 1.212v (which is negligable and can give one boost bin of +13mhz) and setting core clock from the boost of usually like 1200-1250, to about 1300mhz. The memory from 7000 to ~7400-7800, too.
CPU.. more complex. Different procedures depending on how you want to do it and a whole lot of ways to do it wrong with haswell
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Icognoto: no I wasn't the one you were talking about, but I don't need any more space than 500gb. I already have a 2TB external if I need any additional space anyway.
Cyro: if I'm understanding it right are you saying that gpu overclocking is only negligible performance boost and ocing cpu is risky, especially to a computer newbie? If so I don't want to ;;
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OCing 760, 770 etc - mostly quite negligible
CPU, i said more complex, not risky. If i were to jump in with a 760/770 (they're both the same GPU at similar clocks but 760 has worse VRAM and 25% of the smx (cores, tmu's) disabled) then i could get 99% out of the card in like 15 minutes.
With a new Haswell CPU, it would take hours for a basic moderate OC and you could spend a lot longer playing around if you wanted to. If you're new to the process you could be slower
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If you work your way up gradually with the various settings while monitoring what happens to temperatures and whatnot, there's nothing terribly risky you are doing to your hardware. It's actually Intel being more crazy about things like CPU temperatures at stock settings with their stock cooler. Board manufacturers also torture parts on their very cheap boards at stock settings more than what you'll be doing to the parts on your more expensive board while overclocking.
The worst that may happen to you is probably having to reinstall Windows if getting unlucky with corruption because of a crash.
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But that basically never happens even still~ I hit probably hundreds of bluescreens playing with settings constantly for many months and didn't even have to repair system files, etc
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After my shenanigans with my PSU i was looking around at UPS. However I am really confused at the interactions of UPS and PFC active PSUs. The main thing I got was to use the 60% rule as a minimum . Also confused at how simulated sine waves affect PFC psu
My specs
GPU: ~GTX770
CPU i5 4670
Mobo asus h87Plus
RAM: corsair vengeance low profile 8gb
HDD: WD 1TB blue
Optical Drive Random Asus one
PSU seasonic 650w gold8
Monitor AOC 24"
SSD: Crucial 256gb
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How can I tell if my DVD-ROM supports DVD+R or DVD-R? It is: Matshita DVD-RAM UJ8A0AS ATA device.
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On February 28 2014 09:23 darkness wrote:
How can I tell if my DVD-ROM supports DVD+R or DVD-R? It is: Matshita DVD-RAM UJ8A0AS ATA device.
Google. It supports both.
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On February 28 2014 09:19 Leeoku wrote:+ Show Spoiler +After my shenanigans with my PSU i was looking around at UPS. However I am really confused at the interactions of UPS and PFC active PSUs. The main thing I got was to use the 60% rule as a minimum . Also confused at how simulated sine waves affect PFC psu
My specs
GPU: ~GTX770
CPU i5 4670
Mobo asus h87Plus
RAM: corsair vengeance low profile 8gb
HDD: WD 1TB blue
Optical Drive Random Asus one
PSU seasonic 650w gold8
Monitor AOC 24"
SSD: Crucial 256gb
Most power supplies will work with either simulated or pure sine wave UPSs.
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Hey there TL 
I want to build a new System after my birthday.
I want to basically play and stream sc2 and good settings and 1080p. And just play Titanfall (no stream).
After juggeling around at the site from my local retailer (mindfactory, germany)
I roughly will be willing to spend 1000€ in total.
I basically got the following idea of a build and i would love to know what you guys think of it and if i will be able to stream and at what ingame settings.
+ Show Spoiler +CPU: Intel i7-4770 - 245€
CPU fan: EKL Alpenföhn Matterhorn rev. B tower cooler - 50€
Graphics: 2048MB MSI Radeon R9 270X - 168€
Motherboard: MSI H87-G43 GAMING Intel H87 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX - 120€
Ram: 2x8GB;16GB Kingston HyperX Red DDR3-1600 - 133€
PSU: 530 Watt be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM Modular 80+ Bronze - 65€
SSD: 120GB Samsung 840 Evo Series 2.5" - 73€
HDD: 1000GB Seagate Desktop HDD - 45€
Case: NZXT H440 Midi-Tower - black - 110€
The cost is roundabout 1000€
What do you think ?
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You don't need a CPU cooler if you don't overclock. The "box" version of the CPU in the shop comes with an Intel cooler.
+ Show Spoiler +If you don't want to use Intel's cooler that comes with the "box" version of the CPU, you can save a little money by buying the "tray" version of the CPU in the shop, but you don't need an expensive cooler like what you chose. You can buy a very cheap cooler and it'll be fine. If you see heat-pipes in the picture, it will beat Intel's cooler in performance. You might want to be careful regarding noise and search for reviews.
I've heard reports of the fans leaking oil on the MSI cards. Some guys that build those crypto-coin farms and buy dozens of graphics cards had that happen on every single MSI they bought.
I feel you could choose an i5 instead of i7. It would be cheaper and the PC won't feel much different at nearly every task. If you'd invest the saved money into the GPU, it would overall be better (or you could keep the money). Streaming might be a good reason for the i7, so ask some streaming expert.
If you don't know exactly why you want 16 GB of RAM, you could very likely live with 8 GB. If you won't ever use the 16 GB of RAM, the money is completely wasted.
The motherboard is too much! You can buy the cheapest board that has all features you want, save about 50 €. For the price of this board, you could alternatively look at overclocking because Z87 boards that are recommended for that are similarly priced.
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so i can basically go for this
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I would wanna keep the cooler for cooling and just lesser noise, because when streaming the cpu is heavely loaded..
8GB Kingston HyperX Beast DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Dual Kit; 70€ instead of 133€ and,
ASRock Fatal1ty H87 Performance Intel H87 So.1150 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX; 80€ instead of 120€
and with that difference i can afford this graphics card basically
2048MB Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 WindForce 3X Aktiv PCIe 3.0 x16 275€ instead of 168€ weaker card.
am i correct?
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