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DusTerr
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
It looks like a microwave o_0. | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On February 25 2014 14:18 DusTerr wrote: @Alabasern curious why you want an H87 mobo? I'd assume a H61 would cover your build for half the cost. I don't like the 3 H61 boards I saw recently. | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
A gaming microwave! | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On February 25 2014 14:08 skyR wrote: XFX XTR won't work in a Fractal Design Node 304 if you are getting a GTX 780. A Seasonic S12G (non-modular fyi) would fit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151136 Would a ASUS DirectCU II GTX 780 Ti work with the Seasonic S12G? From all my browsing it seems it could absolutely. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On February 25 2014 17:26 skyR wrote: Yes it would. Hell yeah! Well I'm going to build the system without the Nvidia GPU or an ASUS PB Series PB278Q 27" 2560 x 1440 monitor in the Spring or Summer, I want to see if I can assemble the basic rig first and keep it running for a couple months. Thanks for the help tonight skyR and Myrmidon! (and DusTerr) | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On February 25 2014 15:59 Alabasern wrote: I don't like the 3 H61 boards I saw recently. Don't you mean H81? What are you looking for in your motherboard? B85 is another option. | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On February 25 2014 18:10 Incognoto wrote: Don't you mean H81? What are you looking for in your motherboard? B85 is another option. I didn't know about H81, I just looked up what he said quickly. I looked at one B85 board, it also works, and I could change later. For my first custom build I want a beginner's approach for the motherboard selection and will pay the extra $25-40 for more features or better manufacturing. I liked ASUS H87I-PLUS board because it has a PS2 (hybrid) port for my Filco, up to 4 drives with my GPU setup, and all the other suiting stats for compatibility. I would probably add a 4 TB Western Digital Green drive, 2 TB Western Digital Black drive, and even another Crucial M500 480GB SSD within 3 years. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On February 25 2014 18:06 Alabasern wrote: Hell yeah! Well I'm going to build the system without the Nvidia GPU or an ASUS PB Series PB278Q 27" 2560 x 1440 monitor in the Spring or Summer, I want to see if I can assemble the basic rig first and keep it running for a couple months. Thanks for the help tonight skyR and Myrmidon! (and DusTerr) Two things there; Seems a waste to get 780ti unless you're not price concerned, at least here it often costs ~35% more* yet in practice, it's only like 10-15% better* unless you have good enough cooling to clock it up like a 780. If you're not overclocking both at least some, then a small (sub-20%) difference in performance doesn't sound particularly important to you *than a 780 Secondly, buying in spring/summer and running for months without GPU? We might have more suitable maxwell cards by then, if not, they'll be pretty close. It's a weird time to buy a flagship gpu. I almost regretted buying my 770 in june of last year, given that it was ~15 months after launch of the 28nm kepler, it's pretty solid to buy into a new architecture in the start or middle of its lifespan, but buying the flagship card in the last ~10% of that life is a lot more questionable | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On February 25 2014 19:40 Cyro wrote: Two things there; Seems a waste to get 780ti unless you're not price concerned, at least here it often costs ~35% more* yet in practice, it's only like 10-15% better* unless you have good enough cooling to clock it up like a 780. If you're not overclocking both at least some, then a small (sub-20%) difference in performance doesn't sound particularly important to you *than a 780 Secondly, buying in spring/summer and running for months without GPU? We might have more suitable maxwell cards by then, if not, they'll be pretty close. It's a weird time to buy a flagship gpu. I almost regretted buying my 770 in june of last year, given that it was ~15 months after launch of the 28nm kepler, it's pretty solid to buy into a new architecture in the start or middle of its lifespan, but buying the flagship card in the last ~10% of that life is a lot more questionable Yeah the 780 most likely would have been my GPU, but still I should wait for the GTX 800 Series and Broadwell Intel chips, you're right. Plus I get to go to South Korea for a wedding in July and need to pay my way and buy gifts,etc, building the rig still is big non-necessity. | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On February 25 2014 18:38 Alabasern wrote: I didn't know about H81, I just looked up what he said quickly. I looked at one B85 board, it also works, and I could change later. For my first custom build I want a beginner's approach for the motherboard selection and will pay the extra $25-40 for more features or better manufacturing. I liked ASUS H87I-PLUS board because it has a PS2 (hybrid) port for my Filco, up to 4 drives with my GPU setup, and all the other suiting stats for compatibility. I would probably add a 4 TB Western Digital Green drive, 2 TB Western Digital Black drive, and even another Crucial M500 480GB SSD within 3 years. Yeah that was my bad, I meant H81. GL on the build! :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On February 25 2014 21:34 Alabasern wrote: Yeah the 780 most likely would have been my GPU, but still I should wait for the GTX 800 Series and Broadwell Intel chips, you're right. Plus I get to go to South Korea for a wedding in July and need to pay my way and buy gifts,etc, building the rig still is big non-necessity. There's likely nothing really important on CPU front til 2015+, maxwell is really here and a bigger deal though | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I think that's something to look forward to. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Since i started following CPU's and was met with bulldozer, ivy bridge and then haswell, i find it hard to be excited for skylake right now | ||
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Tarias
Netherlands480 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Build] + CPU Intel Core i5 4670K Boxed € 194.50 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP € 111.99 RAM G.Skill Ares F3-2133C9D-8GAB € 89.65 GPU MSI GeForce GTX 770 Gaming € 275.00 SSD Samsung 840 EVO 500GB € 275.00 Case Corsair Carbide 400R € 86.12 PSU Seasonic G-Serie 550Watt € 86.90 CPU Cooler Thermalright True Spirit 140 € 36.66 € 1,155.82 Is there any way to get this lined up nicely that doesn't involve using images to fill up the empty space? Can I just create HTML tables in here? The main thing I'm having a hard time deciding on is the GPU. As far as I can see it in most games 2gb of GPU memory should be more than enough for my resolution, and it seems going higher than GTX770/R9 280x seems like it would only give me a marginal increase in performance considering the increase in price. Is this indeed the case? Is there any reason other than brand preference to pick one card over the other? Thanks in advance! :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
I plan on overclocking the CPU a little bit (I'd like to try to get as much out of it as I can without touching the voltage) Not a good allocation of budget to leave CPU near stock speeds, yet pay for z87 and cooling. If you're not touching voltage, you only need the stock cooler (especially on i5) and basically the cheapest z87. IMO, if you're paying for z87 over h81 etc - better to go all the way. Some people won't take my 1.4v on Haswell but there's basically no argument against ~1.3v. If you're using 1.05v, there's little point. 780 is basically 1.5x stronger than 770 but it's clocked lower relative to its potential at stock. Reviewers are pretty bad with stating actual clock speed under load for kepler (it's different card to card at stock.. the specification doesn't actually represent it) TBH 4670 + 760 seems more appropriate Approximate scores on heaven 4.0 extreme preset - 760, ~40fps 770 ~52fps 780 ~somewhere in 70's Also 87 euro for a psu is overspending, 550w is over double your peak draw on a not heavily-overvolted haswell quad and gk104 gpu. If you want to have a PSU better than like 99% of gaming systems you should be able to find something great at a cheaper price than that with 1500 budget, getting better screen etc is really attractive option | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/159193/seasonic-s12ii-bronze-430w.html http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/279914/xfx-pro-550w.html | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Nothing wrong with the G pick other than spending extra money on something higher quality that can last for plenty of builds. Light i5-4670k overclock + GTX 770 could go on the 450W version though to save money though, yeah, which is what I'd buy: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/353353/seasonic-s12g-450w.html I mean, you could comment about the case or something else too like the RAM. I agree that GTX 760 could be a little more in the sweet spot (don't be afraid of having to swap graphics cards semi-regularly to keep up—that's just how it is). Also on monitor. | ||
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Tarias
Netherlands480 Posts
@Cyro After some more reading up on overclocking, I would actually be willing to give it a try. (I'm seeing benchmarks that suggest 20-25% performance increase with less than 1.3v) Found some really extensive retardproof step by step guides, and it doesn't look nearly as intimidating as I remember. Would you say I should go for it, or, given my lack of experience, just grab the cheaper alternative and leave it near stock? Given that I should still be able to get a cheaper 450W PSU right? (That's what the sample build has anyways  )Maybe I should also add that even though my initial build ended around 1150, I'm really not hesitant to go all the way to 1500 if that will increase my fps by 50% If you think the money is better spent upgrading my monitors I will gladly take your word for it though!And once again thanks for all the effort you all put into this thread :D | ||
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