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On February 25 2014 02:01 Tarias wrote:Thanks for the advice everyone! I'm leaning towards just upgrading everything, seems like it would be a bit wasteful to buy a 300 euro GPU only to have everything bottlenecked by my CPU  Reading back a few pages I saw something about waiting for next generation of nvidia GPU hardware (maxwell?), and I was wondering if you all think it's worth waiting for those (assuming the wait won't be more than 1-2 months).
If the 750 Ti is anything to go by, I think it would be damn worth the wait. Though hopefully Maxwell won't be overpriced or anything like that.
But that's just me.
Edit: oh it's not 1-2 months. well maxwell will still probably be insane. in your shoes would I wait? idk mang, your call. ^^
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So I've been wanting a new computer for quite a while, unfortunately, I don't really know what I'm doing. Read the OP and came up with this:
Intel Core i7 4770 3.4Ghz
Arctic Cooling Freezer i30 CO
Gigabyte GA-H87-D3H
NZXT Phantom 410 Black + FSP RAIDER 650W
Hynix 16gb 2X8GB DDR3 1600Mhz
Gigabyte Geforce GTX780 3GB
WD 1TB Sata3 Caviar Blue
Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB
I'll be using it for quite a few things. Running Adobe Lightroom, which is a huge memory hog. Software development and gaming. Often, I'll have a virtual machine or two running in the background while I'm playing. No overclocking. Considering this, do you guys have any input? Any help will be appreciated
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On February 25 2014 02:05 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: oh it's not 1-2 months. well maxwell will still probably be insane. in your shoes would I wait? idk mang, your call. ^^
Late 2014 - Early 2015 is the earliest we are going to see any powerful Maxwell cards because TSMC is dragging their asses on 20nm.
On a side note. GTX 460 to 560 was just a die shrink from 45nm to 30 something (or was it 28nm) and clock speeds increased 20% while power consumption stayed the same. I hope the same happens when GM107 shrinks to 20nm.
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powerful as in 880? i would personally like to see the gtx 860, would be right up my alley I would think
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I'm pretty sure Apple is going to hog the majority of TSMC 20nm production capabilities.
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On February 25 2014 02:12 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2014 02:05 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: oh it's not 1-2 months. well maxwell will still probably be insane. in your shoes would I wait? idk mang, your call. ^^ Late 2014 - Early 2015 is the earliest we are going to see any powerful Maxwell cards because TSMC is dragging their asses on 20nm. On a side note. GTX 460 to 560 was just a die shrink from 45nm to 30 something (or was it 28nm) and clock speeds increased 20% while power consumption stayed the same. I hope the same happens when GM107 shrinks to 20nm.
460 to 560 was 40 nm to 40 nm. They tweaked which type of transistors went where and other low-level tweaks to have the same logical (computational) results but at lower power consumption. Apparently there was a lot of low-hanging fruit to pick / fix with original Fermi. But the difference may not be as much as you're thinking.
The actual power consumption of 560 was higher than 460 even if quoted TDP was the same. Also, stock official GTX 460 clocks were a joke (the chips could do much more) and in practice everyone pretty much shipped some amount of relatively huge factory OCs. The issue was the embarrassingly terrible 465 and even somewhat the 470 getting encroached on by the more efficient 460, so they had to gimp the 460 listed specs to get it to perform at a lower level to fall in the product stack more properly. 465 just had way too many functional units disabled out of a very leaky and inefficient first attempt at Fermi, the GF100.
Everybody's going to want 20 nm for high-end products (sacrificing cost for higher power efficiency). For a while people have said 2H 2014 for higher-end Maxwell, anyhow.
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Is it even realistic to purchase an AMD GPU card anymore? Mining has driven the cost up so fucking much, that AMD no longer hits the price/performance they used to hit.
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r7 260x is still decent and r7 265 will be good if it hits its MSRP.
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On February 25 2014 03:43 skyR wrote:
r7 260x is still decent and r7 265 will be good if it hits its MSRP.
"if it hits its MSRP". buwahahahaha. I really doubt it. It'll be lucky to last at MSRP for more than 3 days.
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I'm guessing there's no way to control the fan speed of a PSU? I decided to take apart my rig today and I can see which parts are making what noise. i've come to realize that the PSU fan, while not particularly loud, has the interesting habit of turning on and off when under load. the psu is a gs600. Anyway, was wondering if it would be possible to rig the fan so that it always turns just slowly when under a small load. starting and stopping and starting and stopping is annoying.
i've also noticed that the rig is almost dead silent when not under load. you have to listen to hear anything.
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No, you can't control fan speeds on the vast majority of power supplies. Some people void their warranties and swap out the fan just because of power supply fan noise.
Yes, people complain about Corsair's on/off fan speed control on GS and some other power supply series.
If you really wanted you could open up the power supply, remove the fan, put in another, and plug that fan into your own fan controller or motherboard header with PWM or voltage control and control fan speed off of... well, manually or guessing or say something fancy with SpeedFan that depends on a number of things, so you get low speed at low loads and higher fan speeds when you're guessing the power supply needs it. Well, you could use the original fan and splice wires or reterminate into a standard header for use like you would a replacement fan.
Hm, you could also hack some circuit that outputs 4V or so whenever the power supply tries to turn off the fan and the power supply's fan voltage at all other times. (i.e. max(4, PS fan voltage)) And splice that into the fan wire. Again, voiding warranty. It could be implemented fairly simply, as far as things go.
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Those are some nifty ideas, lol. I might give it a shot over the summer when I have some time to kill. :D
though maybe voiding the warranty will make me fearful. idk yet. still cool to think about though.
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so, I'm still unsure if I should build a brand new pc here in Canada, or if I should bring here the one I have at home in Italy next time I go visit family, in July. The one I already have is somewhat old, I got myself a mid spec pc 3 years ago.. phenom2 940, ati 5750, no idea of the mobo.. I'd leave home case, PSU and dvd player.
I don't play much else than doto, dark souls and a few other things. I preordered Star Citizen so I would like to enjoy it on a decent machine, but right now I don't have the money to buy a high end one.
Getting myself a pc here right now just to be able to play dota sounds like a waste of money to me, as even if I don't need an A+ setup to run it, it wouldn't allow me to enjoy SC in the future (probably quite a distant one, seeing how the development is going).
So my question is, how safe is moving pc components in a suitcase? any specific precaution I should take in doing so?
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Just use the original component boxes and make sure they sit tightly in the suitcase.
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Wondering about this wonderful subforum's review or advice on this mini-ATX build for 2560 x 1440 gaming. All parts listed are from Newegg in the US. I've got a nice set of zip ties for cable management, and squared X-Acto razors for the CPU paste application and I will replace loud fans and add storage as needed.
Price total = $1638 with rebates w/o shipping or a display
Corsair Obsidian Series 250D case - $100
ASUS H87I-PLUS LGA 1150 Intel H87 motherboard - $112
SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold PSU - $150
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin 1600 - $85
Asus DirectCU II GTX 780 - $500
Crucial M500 480GB - $275
Intel Core i5-4670 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W - $220
Noctua NH-U14S 140x150x25 HSF - $76
LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM - $20
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit - OEM - $100
Thanks for your time.
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You don't need an aftermarket heatsink if you are not overclocking. Even if you wanted one for lower noise or w/e, the Noctua NH-U14S does not fit in a 250D. 250D only has clearance for roughly 140mm heatsinks without the optical drive (less with optical drive installed) and the NH-U14S is 165mm.
650w is unnecessary and Seasonic X for $150 is definitely very unappealing. If you want fully modular, look at the XFX XTR 550w which is about $90, it's a rebranded Seasonic.
1600MHz memory can be had for less than $85.
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On February 25 2014 11:32 skyR wrote:
You don't need an aftermarket heatsink if you are not overclocking. Even if you wanted one for lower noise or w/e, the Noctua NH-U14S does not fit in a 250D. 250D only has clearance for roughly 140mm heatsinks without the optical drive (less with optical drive installed) and the NH-U14S is 165mm.
650w is unnecessary and Seasonic X for $150 is definitely very unappealing. If you want fully modular, look at the XFX XTR 550w which is about $90, it's a rebranded Seasonic.
1600MHz memory can be had for less than $85.
Thanks for the great response so fast, I'm very pleased at work! I've changed my ideas on the build moderately because of your reasonable assurance. Now the rig doesn't include a DVD drive or an aftermarket HSF as advised and I will attempt to install Windows 7 from a USB flash drive. 2560 x 1440 gaming performance hasn't been comprised so overall great revisions.
Total rig cost = $1467 w/ rebates & sales w/o shipping or a display
Corsair Obsidian Series 250D case - $100
ASUS H87I-PLUS LGA 1150 Intel H87 motherboard - $112
XFX XTR Series P1-550B-BEFX 550W ATX12V / EPS12V - $90
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB 1600Mhz ram (2 x 4GB) - $70
Asus DirectCU II GTX 780 - $500
Crucial M500 480GB - $275
Intel Core i5-4670 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W - $220
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit - OEM - $100
Thanks again
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With a single SSD and that setup, I can't help but think that a case other than 250D is more appropriate. I mean, the 250D works, but that's a lot of wasted space if the GTX 780 is the only big-ticket, large item.
Just in case you're interested in other options, there's the Silverstone Sugo SG07 and SG08 (comes with own power supply or get LITE version which doesn't), Lian Li PC-Q25 and some similar, Fractal Design Node 304, and some others. The latter two have plenty of extra drive bays, wasting space maybe.
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On February 25 2014 12:56 Myrmidon wrote:
With a single SSD and that setup, I can't help but think that a case other than 250D is more appropriate. I mean, the 250D works, but that's a lot of wasted space if the GTX 780 is the only big-ticket, large item.
Just in case you're interested in other options, there's the Silverstone Sugo SG07 and SG08 (comes with own power supply or get LITE version which doesn't), Lian Li PC-Q25 and some similar, Fractal Design Node 304, and some others. The latter two have plenty of extra drive bays, wasting space maybe.
That Fractal Design Node 304 white is the same price as Corsair 250D and it's exactly what I need. Thanks for the great case recommendation!
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I'm a little cautious about what PSU is going to work currently. Also the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo HSF works in the Node 304.
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