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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
drsnuggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Korea (South)362 Posts
February 23 2014 13:54 GMT
#4601
Thanks for the quick reply!
I just checked, both my DVI-I ports are dual-link (with 24 pins each). Guess then I don't have any problems and can just order the monitors.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 23 2014 14:04 GMT
#4602
DVI-I is not an indication of dual-link. Manufacturers just use dual-link DVI-I to ensure pin compatibility.

Many of the older cards have a 1x dual-link DVI-I and 1x single-link DVI-I.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1970 Posts
February 23 2014 21:57 GMT
#4603
So glad, since i checked for new computer stuff, all those ads with beautiful russion girls are gone and replaced by hardware retailers. They probably know that i wouldn't be able to sustain a girlfriend/bought wife once i buy a new computer :D
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
February 23 2014 23:11 GMT
#4604
On February 24 2014 06:57 Broetchenholer wrote:
So glad, since i checked for new computer stuff, all those ads with beautiful russion girls are gone and replaced by hardware retailers. They probably know that i wouldn't be able to sustain a girlfriend/bought wife once i buy a new computer :D


Haha so true.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 24 2014 02:15 GMT
#4605
Newegg entering European market soon.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 24 2014 06:12 GMT
#4606
Really???

Will we get Rosewill PSUs? :D ?!

I've always like Newegg for some reason, even though I've never used their services before.
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 06:23:21
February 24 2014 06:23 GMT
#4607
Isn't rosewill just rebranded superflower (which we already have! :D)

Or at least the capstone?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 06:25:28
February 24 2014 06:23 GMT
#4608
Well, Super Flower and Sirtec already sell under their own brands in Europe. I don't know if they have agreements with their customers about the region that would prevent it from happening. Probably not.

But in general, given newegg.ca prices, I wouldn't get too excited. Once you factor in VAT, I don't see them being cheaper than the bigger UK and German etailers and maybe some others.

edit: Rosewill also uses ATNG for power supplies, which I don't recall seeing under their own brand anywhere... I think. (okay, also Solytech on the really cheapo, bad stuff that is mostly EOL and plain sucks anyway)
Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
February 24 2014 09:50 GMT
#4609
I'm looking for some advice on upgrading/buying a new system.

I'm not really looking at specific parts yet, but mainly just wondering if an upgrade would give me a significant increase in performance. Is it worth keeping some of these parts, upgrading only for example the GPU? Are they so outdated that I would be better of just buying a whole new system?

+ Show Spoiler [Extra information] +
What is your current build?
Intel Core i5 760 @ 2.80GHz
1024MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 5850
8,00GB Dual-Channel DDR3

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1680x1050 x 2

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I can't really run modern games at high settings anymore, I'd like to be able to do that again. I would also really like to get an SSD. A specific example of a game I'd be playing would be BF4. I also use my PC to run relatively time consuming Mathematica code every now and then.

What is your budget?
1000-1500 Euros

What country will you be buying your parts in?
The Netherlands
Go big, or go home!
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 10:19:24
February 24 2014 10:15 GMT
#4610
All you need is a GPU upgrade.

Something like a R9 280X or GTX 770 would nearly triple your GPU performance.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
February 24 2014 12:03 GMT
#4611
Some things maybe held back by CPU, depends on game + target framerates, or other tasks etc. An i5 760 at stock would run great with certain things with a higher end GPU, but not everything
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 24 2014 12:25 GMT
#4612
BF4 would be one of those games held back by CPU, I would think.
maru lover forever
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 12:43:22
February 24 2014 12:35 GMT
#4613
I wish you guys would tone back the elitism some times. His i5-760 is based on the same Core architecture as your Haswell and yet you act as if it's some mid 90's tech.

An i7-4770k at stock would run great with certain things with a higher end GPU, but not everything

See what I did there? Such blanket statements are bad when the subject matter can be replaced indefinitely. I can put any CPU ever made in place of the one you used and it's still valid.


I probably should have added that he should overclock his CPU though.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 12:51:33
February 24 2014 12:48 GMT
#4614
We're not comparing orders of magnitude changes here. ~2.93ghz 760 doesn't compete well against a ~3.7ghz 4670k. I have higher standards than some for "great" - i was unable to make bf4 run great with oc'd 4770k so i can see why one might have trouble with a far worse CPU. Mantle helps a lot lot lot there but i still see people complaining of issues and not using it even in the face of 1.5x performance because of them.

It's not exactly a 3x increase of performance cpu to cpu, but there is a very real performance gap from clocking, stock vs stock, ~26% higher with like 30% better IPC that could be relevant to somebody buying into a pretty high end graphics card that does not want to be held back. It's not like there were no advances in CPU performance from midrange 3 and a half years ago
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 24 2014 12:51 GMT
#4615
Well, I could be wrong, but 760 sounds older than sandy-bridge. Considering that even a stock Haswell has its limitations these days ("limitations"), I can only imagine what limitations a 760 might have. Then again you're right in that older processors aren't that bad; my old Q6600 is still going strong.

I think it would probably indeed be best to just upgrade the GPU and see how things work out from there. If you want to play BF4, it might not be a bad idea to get an AMD card, which has Mantle which greatly reduces the load on CPU. If you still can't play the game to your satisfaction then maybe consider a CPU upgrade.
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 13:09:34
February 24 2014 13:08 GMT
#4616
It's not terrifyingly bad, i'd just be concerned for some games with it at stock. Buying a big meaty GPU and being brickwalled by a few games still running the same wouldn't be nice for me, so i think it was right to point out ^

I just think that lines like this can be more dangerous than performance elitism~
All you need is a GPU upgrade
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 24 2014 13:40 GMT
#4617
By the same token that the i5-760 is pretty serviceable still, so is the HD 5850... It's just that there is much more of a gap in GPU performance per time, and the GPU matters more for games. However, the GPU's not going to speed up Mathematica.

Also, the budget can readily support a new GPU, SSD, CPU, and motherboard.
Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
February 24 2014 17:01 GMT
#4618
Thanks for the advice everyone! I'm leaning towards just upgrading everything, seems like it would be a bit wasteful to buy a 300 euro GPU only to have everything bottlenecked by my CPU

Reading back a few pages I saw something about waiting for next generation of nvidia GPU hardware (maxwell?), and I was wondering if you all think it's worth waiting for those (assuming the wait won't be more than 1-2 months).
Go big, or go home!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 24 2014 17:03 GMT
#4619
It will be more than 1-2 months for sure.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-24 17:26:31
February 24 2014 17:04 GMT
#4620
Hard to say how long it would be, could be way longer.

20nm flagship probably not 1-2 months. We might have one of the other 28nm maxwell dies by then though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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