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Zimmerman17
Canada17 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Unplug all the USB devices (including mouse and keyboard) and turn off the PC. Turn back on the PC and when you reach the personalization screen, plug back in the mouse and keyboard. If this doesn't work then you probably need to try re-installing. | ||
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Br33zyy
United States296 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On September 10 2013 11:56 Zimmerman17 wrote: I have them in the back slots and have tried the front. I haven't tried the blue USB slots. Would that be USB3? Not sure which is which On September 10 2013 12:10 Br33zyy wrote: So, Cyro. Did you have any ideas, bud? Aaa i dunno, can't think right now (4:39am) and i don't know those parts particularly well, just wanted to throw question out there because it can help anybody helping you, gl | ||
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Br33zyy
United States296 Posts
On September 10 2013 12:39 Cyro wrote: Not sure which is which Aaa i dunno, can't think right now (4:39am) and i don't know those parts particularly well, just wanted to throw question out there because it can help anybody helping you, gl Okay no problem. Thanks anyways!! | ||
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Zimmerman17
Canada17 Posts
On September 10 2013 11:56 skyR wrote: Make sure that your mouse and keyboard are plugged into USB2.0 ports and have USB Legacy Support enabled in the BIOS. Unplug all the USB devices (including mouse and keyboard) and turn off the PC. Turn back on the PC and when you reach the personalization screen, plug back in the mouse and keyboard. If this doesn't work then you probably need to try re-installing. Ok. I am plugged into USB2.0 ports and teh USB Support says, "Partial Initial" and is not selectable. Is there a way to make it so I can access this? Edit. By selecting fast boot enabled it has made USB Support accessible. My options are Part Initial, Full Initial and Dissabled. Under Boot Mode Selection I have it set as UEFI and Legacy. Edit2. Oops. Sorry, just found Legacy USB Support under peripherals. It is enabled. | ||
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Zimmerman17
Canada17 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 10 2013 13:14 Zimmerman17 wrote: Just tried the method stated earlier and still the same issue. Had USB devices unplugged and turned off the PC. Turn back on and let it get to personalization screen and plugged everything back in. Still nothing. I'd download the newest BIOS from Gigabyte's website (even if it says it's a beta). After extracting the archive from the website, you can put the file that's the BIOS on any USB drive formatted as FAT32. You can just throw it on the thumb drive you used for Windows installation in a new sub-folder and the thumb drive will still work to install Windows. Flashing is done by going into the BIOS and pressing F8 (I think... look around if it's not) and you'll get a file browser to search for the file. You don't have to be afraid about it failing. Your board has two BIOS chips. If the PC is off, if you hold down the power button for about 10 seconds or longer, the second BIOS will activate on the next boot and restore the contents of the main BIOS chip. That's what you can do if flashing the BIOS ends in a fiasco, so you're pretty much totally safe. There's two USB slots on the back of board that are intended for keyboard and mouse. They're usually together with that single PS/2 port the board has. You should use those two USB slots. EDIT: This is all assuming you bought the GA-Z87X-D3H from stalking around your posts. EDIT2: Booting Windows 8 In Safe Mode When PC Is Not Starting This one is a little tricky, because it takes trial and error (and patience) to launch the Windows 8 ‘recovery mode’ when start up sequence is on going. What you need to do is, past the BIOS splash screen, hold down the Shift key and repeatedly hit the F8 key. Doing so should get you to the recovery mode, but it might take a few tries before you achieve that. Once the Recovery screen is displayed, click the See advanced repair options button. In the next screen, hit the Troubleshoot button. In the troubleshoot menu, click Advanced options, wherein lies Windows Startup Settings. Choose that. I don't know if that's a good idea if the Windows installation isn't yet completed, but that would probably work to get devices working right and updating drivers or whatever's causing the problem in Windows. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Zimmerman17
Canada17 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Zimmerman17
Canada17 Posts
Edit. Hmmm. Same issue as before. I got a fancy new UEFI though, so I got that going for me.  I tried to reinstall windows and it just came to the same thing as before. This is really confusing. Is there any windows helplines that I could look into? I think I'm gonna have to call it a night for today however, got work in the morning. Thank you for all the suggestions. I'll check back in here tomorrow after work. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On September 10 2013 02:37 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 09 2013 16:24 Rollin wrote: Um just a quick question, I decided to run intelburntest for the first time in years to see how my cpu overclock was holding up (2500k at 4.4GHz with 1.24V, god knows what the fiddly settings are) and whilst the computer handles it fine, with temps ~65C, what confused me was that the voltages start at 1.24V, then later on go up to 1.38V (yet the temps are fine O_0). This seems to yield a very high package tdp of 120W, but then it randomly drops to 70W that whilst still being at 100% load and 1.38V. + Show Spoiler [Screenshot] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BHSrvZp.png) And having just typed this up my cpu just failed IBT (on the 2nd run of 5 with 4GB RAM usage :/). Not quite sure what to make of this new development, I guess I'll probably just ignore it lol. Any explanations for the odd TDP/voltage readings? Check with hwinfo (not hwmonitor) and are you using offset volts? the VID that you are offsetting from can change under some circumstances, i don't really remember them because offset is worse than manual/adaptive for Haswell (where you can more accurately specify voltages and it'll drop to 0.7v/800mhz anyway) I can't really compare package power readings because haswell pulls a ton more power to achieve its 210gflops @4ghz* Each run it does, it seems it first has to do some sort of setting up (on whatever it uses all that memory for perhaps), only then it starts up all those calculations that heat up the CPU and use all those Watts. Next run will look the same. So it always cycles between somewhat lower package power and the very high one. Yea, linpack does this, what cooling is it on too? *Edit: Avx1 IBT (not avx2 which pulls a ton more power) i get ~17w idle, 80w ramping up, ~130w load with 1.22vcore and ht on, so if you're talking about lower power between runs, then that's just normal. I think hwinfo also lets you monitor the VID - can you check that too? Ahh thanks for the explanation of IBT ropid and cyro. If you're asking me what cooling I use, it's a lowly 212+ in a case with pretty horrendous airflow, so I'd be surprised if it was really at 1.38V lol. I took another couple of screenshots and noticed something odd, my gpu has been running/idling at high temps recently too (despite a vacuum of the gpu heatsink, and after that, complete gpu repaste, but to no avail), and been dodgy all round for about a year, but as you can see in the MSI afterburner screenshot during complete idle the memory usage is at nearly half a gigabyte at idle. This is with just a 1440p and 1080p monitor connected, which should only use about 16 + 32 MB iirc (or is it 32+64?). Then I saw this, which doesn't really make any sense with the HUGE vram useage dropoff from disconnecting an idle secondary monitor. When I tried it myself the memory usage only dropped slightly to about 430MB (from 500 at the time). Anyways, here are the screens with HWINFO as well: + Show Spoiler [Idle] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uZ82cEz.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cBxxNzv.png) I always thought my cpu was running at 1.24 because I measured with CPU-Z (I forgot to include it in the last screenshot ^^), but the VID clearly seems much higher @_@ I haven't messed with BIOS settings yet as I have a large workload for this week and really can't spend the time potentially fixing something irritating or risk losing the ability to use it for that time. But if you have any more specific advice I can try it out on the weekend .EDIT: Oh ya I forgot to mention, it only idles at 1.6GHz for fractions of a second, 1 core at a time, even with 0% cpu usage, and afaik I never disabled the lower C states, and when I first over clocked it, it used to idle properly T___T. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
About what to try to do in the BIOS, I'd suggest to try to get that VCore looking more constant and not going up and down between 1.21V and 1.25V. The settings involved in that are usually called "LLC (load-line calibration)" or something about "vdroop". That speed not going down as much as you remember, that should be the fault of Windows. You could try the balanced power profile instead of the high-performance one. What you found out about multiple screens is pretty interesting... I guess that would be a good reason to try to run the second screen on the integrated graphics. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 10 2013 14:27 Zimmerman17 wrote: Haha. I'm an idiot. It was a compressed file. Just had to unzip it. Should I reinstall Windows or just see if it works at this point? Edit. Hmmm. Same issue as before. I got a fancy new UEFI though, so I got that going for me. I tried to reinstall windows and it just came to the same thing as before. This is really confusing. Is there any windows helplines that I could look into? I think I'm gonna have to call it a night for today however, got work in the morning. Thank you for all the suggestions. I'll check back in here tomorrow after work.So... a few posts back skyR said something about not using a USB3 stick to install Windows. That's actually the best looking suggestion I could find with Google. I found things like this: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4589 (I know it's Apple, but it's still about installing Windows 8). I guess you could try to stuff your USB stick you're installing from into one of the two USB2 slots you have on the back. That should be enough instead of searching for an actual USB2 stick. It's the USB slots that are black instead of blue. Another thing you should try first is, go into the BIOS and look around for "xHCI" settings and try to see what happens if you change those. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On September 10 2013 18:50 Ropid wrote: That VID is not what's actually happening to the voltage! It's just a number the CPU messages to the outside. From your screenshots, your board ignores that and just runs the fixed voltage you have set in the BIOS. The actually used voltage is shown in that VCore reading. About what to try to do in the BIOS, I'd suggest to try to get that VCore looking more constant and not going up and down between 1.21V and 1.25V. The settings involved in that are usually called "LLC (load-line calibration)" or something about "vdroop". That speed not going down as much as you remember, that should be the fault of Windows. You could try the balanced power profile instead of the high-performance one. What you found out about multiple screens is pretty interesting... I guess that would be a good reason to try to run the second screen on the integrated graphics. Derp, balanced mode now downclocks my cpu accordingly again! I couldn't remember changing that on my desktop, ever, and especially not after the last reinstall I did which was probably only 8 months ago or so. I'll fiddle around then with llc or vdroop and run a few more passes of IBT in the near future just for the sake of completeness. Do you have any idea what could be causing the ridiculous graphics memory usage, even with only one monitor open on idle? Also, unfortunately I'm on a p67 board (z68 wasn't out at the time of purchase  ) so no integrated graphics for the second monitor :c. | ||
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Br33zyy
United States296 Posts
A motherboard that has a PCI 2.0 X16 wont work, right? | ||
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La321
United States7 Posts
Dell 545s intel core 2 duo E7400 2.8ghz What is your monitor's native resolution? 1366x768 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I want to lower my cpu usage when running programs like xsplit my current cpu usage with current pc is %50-80% when using 1280x720 resolution but with 1920x1080 it increases to 80%-100% What is your budget? $600 What country will you be buying your parts in? United States If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. my computer shop suggested an amd fx6200 or which processor i choose and others have suggested intel i5-3470 and amd fx 8350 i have 50mbps 5mbps i can stream in 1280x720 720p but when i choose 1920x1080 1080p a message comes up from xsplit saying my computer can't handle it i also have been told by xsplit that i would need a processor with a passmark of 10,000 or more to stream in 1080p | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 11 2013 00:17 Br33zyy wrote:+ Show Spoiler + If I wanted to get a Radeon HD 7870 and it uses PCI 3.0 X16. A motherboard that has a PCI 2.0 X16 wont work, right? PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On September 11 2013 01:12 skyR wrote: PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible. Wouldn't the motherboard bottleneck the card's performance though? Or is that just not the case? | ||
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