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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
BasetradeTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Canada1307 Posts
September 10 2013 16:19 GMT
#421
Since nobody responded to my previous one, a friend tried to make a parts build for more, could anyone more tech savy than I confirm whether or not something like this http://pcpartpicker.com/user/onacouch/saved/2mfN could stream sc2 on ultra @ 720p?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 10 2013 16:25 GMT
#422
On September 11 2013 00:40 La321 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your current build?
Dell 545s intel core 2 duo E7400 2.8ghz

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1366x768

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I want to lower my cpu usage when running programs like xsplit my current cpu usage with current pc is %50-80% when using 1280x720 resolution but with 1920x1080 it increases to 80%-100%

What is your budget?
$600

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
my computer shop suggested an amd fx6200 or which processor i choose and others have suggested intel i5-3470 and amd fx 8350 i have 50mbps 5mbps i can stream in 1280x720 720p but when i choose 1920x1080 1080p a message comes up from xsplit saying my computer can't handle it i also have been told by xsplit that i would need a processor with a passmark of 10,000 or more to stream in 1080p


If the game you plan on streaming takes more than two cores than you'd want the FX8350 or an i7 4770k otherwise the 4670k will be a good choice. Non-K if you don't plan on overclocking but overclocking is suggested.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 16:32:50
September 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#423
On September 11 2013 01:19 BasetradeTV wrote:
Since nobody responded to my previous one, a friend tried to make a parts build for more, could anyone more tech savy than I confirm whether or not something like this http://pcpartpicker.com/user/onacouch/saved/2mfN could stream sc2 on ultra @ 720p?


I suggest you may want to read this: http://blog.destiny.gg/1200-streaminggaming-machine/

More generally, Destiny's blogs on computer building were very informative to me and helped me get obtain a reference from which I could make my own build. Destiny is also a guy who lives off of streaming so I would wager that he knows what he's talking about. Also interesting is the article he posted criticizing big name brands.

http://blog.destiny.gg/category/destiny-the-box-builder/

Also very helpful was TL's OP.


Edit: take my remark with an ocean of salt since i've not even built my first computer yet. However I spent almost all of yesterday afternoon & evening doing research on the subject. I kind of like your build however I think that maybe you could get a beefier graphics card. At first I was going to go with the HD7950, but then after doing some research on HD7590 against GTX 660 Ti, I found that the GTX600 Ti seemed to edge out the HD7950. So then I went with that. But at a very comparable price, the GTX 760 seems to offer more bang, so I ended up choosing that.

http://techreport.com/review/23981/radeon-hd-7950-vs-geforce-gtx-660-ti-revisited

maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 10 2013 16:26 GMT
#424
On September 11 2013 01:15 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2013 01:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 00:17 Br33zyy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If I wanted to get a Radeon HD 7870 and it uses PCI 3.0 X16.

A motherboard that has a PCI 2.0 X16 wont work, right?


PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible.


Wouldn't the motherboard bottleneck the card's performance though? Or is that just not the case?


A single GPU cannot saturate PCI-E 2.0 x16.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-10 16:34:16
September 10 2013 16:33 GMT
#425
On September 11 2013 01:26 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 01:15 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2013 01:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 00:17 Br33zyy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If I wanted to get a Radeon HD 7870 and it uses PCI 3.0 X16.

A motherboard that has a PCI 2.0 X16 wont work, right?


PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible.


Wouldn't the motherboard bottleneck the card's performance though? Or is that just not the case?


A single GPU cannot saturate PCI-E 2.0 x16.


Thanks for the information. Still learning a lot here ^^

So what's the point of having a PCI-E 3.0 over a PCI-E 2.0 ? Marketing? You said "single GPU" so perhaps it's stuff like SLI/Crossfire?
maru lover forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 10 2013 16:53 GMT
#426
On September 11 2013 01:19 BasetradeTV wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Since nobody responded to my previous one, a friend tried to make a parts build for more, could anyone more tech savy than I confirm whether or not something like this http://pcpartpicker.com/user/onacouch/saved/2mfN could stream sc2 on ultra @ 720p?


Better:

$1027 total before taxes, shipping, mail in rebates, and other applicable fees.

Intel Core i5 4670k @ $235 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/253600/BX80646I54670K/Intel/ )
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45429

Gigabyte Z87X-D3H @ $121 (pricematch with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=84040 )
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX46023

Gigabyte GTX 650 Ti @ $125 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125447 )
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX42023

G.Skill RipjawsX 2x4gb 2133MHz @ $66 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380AC2833 )
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251

Noctua NH-U14S @ $64 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041 )
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX45777

Rosewill Capstone 450 @ $70
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066

Samsung 840 250GB @ $166 (pricematch with http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147189 )
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX43341

Fractal Design Define R4 @ $110
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX40045

Western Digital Blue 1TB @ $70
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX40551
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 10 2013 16:57 GMT
#427
On September 11 2013 01:33 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2013 01:26 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 01:15 Incognoto wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2013 01:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 00:17 Br33zyy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If I wanted to get a Radeon HD 7870 and it uses PCI 3.0 X16.

A motherboard that has a PCI 2.0 X16 wont work, right?


PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are backwards and forward compatible.


Wouldn't the motherboard bottleneck the card's performance though? Or is that just not the case?


A single GPU cannot saturate PCI-E 2.0 x16.


Thanks for the information. Still learning a lot here ^^

So what's the point of having a PCI-E 3.0 over a PCI-E 2.0 ? Marketing? You said "single GPU" so perhaps it's stuff like SLI/Crossfire?


It's just an evolutionary standard. Not really a marketing ploy since all current Intel boards except H81 has it.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 10 2013 17:34 GMT
#428
There's some performance loss in cases AFAIK on either pci-e 2.0 x8 or x4, you need less than half as many lanes with 3.0 for the same bandwidth (2x bandwidth per lane, less overhead)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
La321
Profile Joined September 2013
United States7 Posts
September 10 2013 18:03 GMT
#429
I have a Dell 545s intel core 2 duo my computer shop suggested an amd fx6200 or which processor i choose and others have suggested intel i5-3470 and amd fx 8350 i want to stream in 1080p my computer can't handle 1920x1080 only 720p 1280x720 the i5-3470 and Radeon HD 7750 graphics card was suggested. will i be able to stream in 1080p without maxing out cpu usage right now with my current my cpu usage is %50-80% are the processors good for cpu usage to be low? i've been told on xsplit i need a processor with 10,000 passmark or more but i've seen people with a 9,000 passmark stream in 1080p then i saw this guide https://v1.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13243
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 10 2013 19:27 GMT
#430
Hahaha AMD: http://www.techpowerup.com/190428/next-generation-amd-radeon-series-nomenclature-detailed.html I'll never understand why Nvidia and AMD sucks so much with their naming schemes.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 10 2013 19:30 GMT
#431
On September 11 2013 03:03 La321 wrote:
I have a Dell 545s intel core 2 duo my computer shop suggested an amd fx6200 or which processor i choose and others have suggested intel i5-3470 and amd fx 8350 i want to stream in 1080p my computer can't handle 1920x1080 only 720p 1280x720 the i5-3470 and Radeon HD 7750 graphics card was suggested. will i be able to stream in 1080p without maxing out cpu usage right now with my current my cpu usage is %50-80% are the processors good for cpu usage to be low? i've been told on xsplit i need a processor with 10,000 passmark or more but i've seen people with a 9,000 passmark stream in 1080p then i saw this guide https://v1.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13243


You'd prefer current gen i5, fx6300 can encode pretty well but wouldn't keep up with many games (particularly sc2) very well because of the poor singlethreaded performance, and 4 cores of a current gen i5 are faster than 6 of the fx6300
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
La321
Profile Joined September 2013
United States7 Posts
September 10 2013 20:11 GMT
#432
what about the i5 3470 against the fx 8350?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 10 2013 20:19 GMT
#433
i5 would run the game much better and be fine with running a good stream
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
La321
Profile Joined September 2013
United States7 Posts
September 10 2013 20:26 GMT
#434
Would the i5 be able to cast in 1080p with xsplit?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 10 2013 20:31 GMT
#435
Yea
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
La321
Profile Joined September 2013
United States7 Posts
September 10 2013 20:35 GMT
#436
do you use xsplit?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
September 10 2013 21:07 GMT
#437
I used to a lot
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
September 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#438
So tonight my GPU committed suicide by frying itself after a bit more than 3 years of pretty intensive use. I'm looking to replace it ASAP for my gaming needs.

Currently it'll be the only thing I'm going to buy, but I'd like some of the really smart tech people of TL to give me some advice on what to replace it with, since I haven't really been following the GPU market.

To give you an idea, the newly toasted GPU I had was an AMD 6970. Something of newer generation that can at least put up a comparable performance would be preferred. I'm impartial to the Nvidia/AMD difference and I'll let the performance/price ratio and availability decide.
La321
Profile Joined September 2013
United States7 Posts
September 10 2013 21:12 GMT
#439
Thanks i don't know why some are saying 10,000 or higher passmark to stream in 1080p when i've seen others stream in 1080p with lower passmark and this guidehttps://v1.xsplit.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13243 shows that it is possible to stream in 1080 with an i5
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 10 2013 21:12 GMT
#440
On September 11 2013 06:08 Divine-Sneaker wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
So tonight my GPU committed suicide by frying itself after a bit more than 3 years of pretty intensive use. I'm looking to replace it ASAP for my gaming needs.

Currently it'll be the only thing I'm going to buy, but I'd like some of the really smart tech people of TL to give me some advice on what to replace it with, since I haven't really been following the GPU market.

To give you an idea, the newly toasted GPU I had was an AMD 6970. Something of newer generation that can at least put up a comparable performance would be preferred. I'm impartial to the Nvidia/AMD difference and I'll let the performance/price ratio and availability decide.


Radeon HD7950 for about $230 or a Radeon HD7970 for about $320 would be both be good options.
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