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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
November 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#2601
Hi Guys,

Please critic this build? I need suggestions on Storage and GPU. partpicker said I have compatibility issues. Suggestion for fix?

Thanks,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3550 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ECS B75H2-M3(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($48.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($15.99 @ Newegg)

Base Total: $185.96
Mail-in Rebates: -$50.00
Shipping: $3.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-30 16:25 EST-0500)
Compatibility Notes
ECS B75H2-M3(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard has an onboard USB 3.0 header, but the Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case does not have front panel USB 3.0 ports.
(Flag compatibility notes as incorrect.)
Celeritas
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:12:43
November 30 2013 22:34 GMT
#2602
On November 30 2013 18:56 Ropid wrote:
You should look at GTX 770, 780 and 780 TI.

You can expect the current generation of cards to run your new screen like your old card worked on your old screen. I guess a GTX 770 will run on the new screen like your GTX 570 ran on your old screen.

If you came from a 1080p screen, the calculations about the amount of pixels compared to your new screen looks like this:

1920*1080
= 2073600

2560*1440
= 3686400

So the amount of pixels is close to doubled with the new screen.

From what I understood, it seems in benchmarks, if you go from a GTX 4xx to a GTX 7xx, this ends up being very close to doubled performance. But you have a GTX 570, not 470. For you, I'd guess a GTX 780 would be double of what you have currently.

Yeah I've been looking at all of those cards, but according to some benchmarks I've looked at, AMD cards, and specifically the 7790, outperform even the GTX 690 at my 2560x1440 resolution for certain games. So should I consider these cards instead, given how much cheaper they are?

EDIT: And how much should I trust these benchmarks vs others, which suggest there is much more parity between, for instance, the GTX 770 and the 7970 GHz/R9 280X?
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
November 30 2013 23:08 GMT
#2603
Oh, alright. Thanks for the infos!

I was just surprised that they hadn't even charged me yet, but it just went through.
Getting back into sc2 O_o
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-01 00:17:37
December 01 2013 00:14 GMT
#2604
EDIT: DELETED
nvm about this, forget this post
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
December 01 2013 03:25 GMT
#2605
Huh, ncix just processed my order. It's just waiting on shipping.. :O
Getting back into sc2 O_o
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 01 2013 03:58 GMT
#2606
On December 01 2013 12:25 Mavvie wrote:
Huh, ncix just processed my order. It's just waiting on shipping.. :O


NCIX does things a little slower it seems compared to others, but they do get there. (It took about 2-3 days for my payment to process, then shipped a day later. Order processing was fast.)
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
IdiotSavant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
December 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#2607
On December 01 2013 12:58 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 12:25 Mavvie wrote:
Huh, ncix just processed my order. It's just waiting on shipping.. :O


NCIX does things a little slower it seems compared to others, but they do get there. (It took about 2-3 days for my payment to process, then shipped a day later. Order processing was fast.)


newegg isn't much better. they charge in minutes but the processing and shipping takes a day or 2
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 01 2013 04:59 GMT
#2608
On December 01 2013 13:46 IdiotSavant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 12:58 felisconcolori wrote:
On December 01 2013 12:25 Mavvie wrote:
Huh, ncix just processed my order. It's just waiting on shipping.. :O


NCIX does things a little slower it seems compared to others, but they do get there. (It took about 2-3 days for my payment to process, then shipped a day later. Order processing was fast.)


newegg isn't much better. they charge in minutes but the processing and shipping takes a day or 2


NCIX at least is pretty straightforward - they tell you it's going to take a few days before payment is processed. I was kindof confused when I was verifying the charges (my bank thought it was suspicious that I bought computer components before Black Friday) and NCIX had a charge of 0.00. Then I read the email and was "oh, okay."
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
December 01 2013 10:18 GMT
#2609
I am almost finished getting all my parts, so i have a question b4 i get them all so i am prepared.

when i assemble it, and it doesnt work.
1) how will i know what the problem is? (like if all the parts are not DOA and put in correctly)
2) and if a part is DOA, how do i know which component is the problem?

3) are there any tips/advice that will make my life easier for this?
(like for example, people tell me to build it outisde of case first.
and that theres some bios stuff i should do)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2013 10:45 GMT
#2610
Symptoms will point you to the parts that are likely the problem. eg. if the computer doesn't turn on than you probably forgot to turn on the power supply, plug in 24pin cable, or psu is DOA. Some motherboards will also have speakers that give out beep codes to tell you what the problem is.

If part is DOA then that component is your problem...? Sort of your first question reworded?

If you bought Intel then the CPU lever is going to take a bit of force and is going to make a very scary sound which is completely normal.

Common mistake for rookies is forgetting to plug in the 4+4pin connector near the CPU socket and forgetting to plug in the PCIe connectors for the video card.

Use SATA ports 0 through 5. Do not use 6 or 7 unless absolutely necessary.

If you bought a cheapass case without a CPU cutout and went the overclocking route then make sure you install the backplate for the heatsink before mounting the motherboard into the case.

Nothing to do in BIOS besides setting boot priority, setting memory to the correct XMP profile, and checking the CPU temp to see if you properly mounted your heatsink (the norm is around 50C). I guess disabling all the unnecessary chipsets as well.
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
December 01 2013 11:01 GMT
#2611
On December 01 2013 19:45 skyR wrote:

Common mistake for rookies is forgetting to plug in the 4+4pin connector near the CPU socket and forgetting to plug in the PCIe connectors for the video card.

Use SATA ports 0 through 5. Do not use 6 or 7 unless absolutely necessary.




Will all these things be labeled on the connectors?
because i wont know which is which
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 01 2013 11:08 GMT
#2612
Yes, everything is labeled in tiny print on the board if you look closely. There's also a sketch in the manual somewhere.

I'd imagine someone somewhere has made a check list to follow for assembling a PC. You could also perhaps look at Youtube videos to make you feel more secure about what you'll have to do. You could make some sort of check list yourself after watching.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
December 01 2013 11:12 GMT
#2613
On December 01 2013 20:01 IMKR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 19:45 skyR wrote:

Common mistake for rookies is forgetting to plug in the 4+4pin connector near the CPU socket and forgetting to plug in the PCIe connectors for the video card.

Use SATA ports 0 through 5. Do not use 6 or 7 unless absolutely necessary.




Will all these things be labeled on the connectors?
because i wont know which is which

The motherboard manual tells you which ports are which, and usually there is small writing to tell you which is which. Plugging in power cables into the cpu/gpu/hdd is like one of those children's games where you put the right shape into the right slot, and the wrong shape doesn't go in.

If you have any problems with assembly, you can always post here and post some photos if necessary, however this isn't particularly likely.
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 01 2013 11:15 GMT
#2614
I'm at a similar point, where all of my components should be in and ready to go on Wednesday. (Sooner, honestly, but it depends on what time UPS shows up on which days.)

The only thing I'm wondering about is thermal paste between the i5 and the Noctua, but I'm sure there's something here on the TL forums about it. (I vaguely recall a "grain of rice" method.) And of course, youtube and google.

The CPU lever on the Intel processors makes a horrible but normal sound?
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 01 2013 11:20 GMT
#2615
Yes it tends to make a squeaking noise like its on the brink of snapping, but its fine because you need to apply the pressure to secure it in place.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Ashem
Profile Joined February 2012
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-01 11:35:43
December 01 2013 11:21 GMT
#2616
I need help choosing a motherboard and monitor.

MB: I know I need either a z87 or h87 board, and that a h87 = z87 - overclocking features. I think they all have onboard lan/audio? I'm not sure what features are common or what else I would need from a board.

I also don't know much about routers. If I get a wireless router, what would I need to add to my PC and/or the motherboard?

Monitor -> I've been using a 17" CRT forever, so I'm not 100% if 1900*1080 is the norm or if something else is more common/ideal for gaming. I have no idea what a good size monitor is. I tried a few 23" monitors a year ago, but after about 5 minutes they really bothered by eyes and I had to return them. 1 of them was an HP 23xi.

Anyways, the particulars...

Budget -> <$200 for a motherboard, ~<$400 for a monitor

Games -> SC2/Diablo 3/Left 4 Dead/Portal 2/Bioshock/whatever interests me. Will also be using it for spreadsheets/databases/watching movies/other stuff and it will be used by other members of my family.

I will not overclock, I'm not sure if I'll overclock in a few years when I upgrade.

Living in Canada. Prefer to walk into a store to buy it then order it online. (I spent some time in a post office and saw how far some of the packages can fly in the air and what lands on top of them.)

Local Stores: Canada Computers, Tiger Direct, small mom&pop stores.

This is what I have acquired in the last year for my new system:
CPU: i5-4670 (non-k)
Mem: 16GB Ram (2*8GB)
Case: Fractral Design Define r4
PSU: Antec HCG 520M
HD: WD 1TB Blue

What I plan to buy:
GPU: R9 270 (or HD 7870 or r9 270x) - the 270 and 7870 need 1 6pin, while the 270x needs 2 6pin. Leaning towards 270(non-x)
SSD: Samsung 840 evo 250 GB or intel 530 240GB or ???
DVD: a blu-ray player w/ DVD/CD RW capability
OS: Windows 8.1

Any advice?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2013 11:27 GMT
#2617
So what stores...?

7870 needs two 6pin PCIe connectors. Maybe you're thinking of the 7850 which requires one? If you want a R9 270 then you're going to have to purchase online most likely because most Canadian retailers don't have these in stock yet.
Ashem
Profile Joined February 2012
6 Posts
December 01 2013 11:34 GMT
#2618
Tigerdirect, Canada Computers are the big 2. There's a small local store that claims it's selling Sapphire r9 270 w/ Battlefield 4.

AMD's site says the 7870 only needs 1 6 pin, so I went by that. I'm not sure if the 520 (40 A) will have issues with a GPU using 2 pins.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2013 11:56 GMT
#2619
An Antec High Current Gamer 520 won't break a sweat running a wimpy 7870 and since you can't overclock, you'd even be able to run two if you wanted to.

ASUS H81M-E for $62: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=063239

Tigerdirect and Canada computers still probably has the Seagate 600 240GB in stock since they're not as popular as Crucial, Samsung, and Intel. Tigerdirect has the 840 EVO for $180 which is very meh compared to the $140-$160 deals that are now all gone: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=8466637&sku=UAM-101752102
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
December 01 2013 12:07 GMT
#2620
Didn't even notice this since they put it at the very bottom of their sales list, but NCIX has the MSI 280X for $20 off at $309.99. Comes with free BF4 too! Only place I was able to find in Canada that is doing that promotion. I guess that's as low as it'd go? It's on back order but I apparently get to keep the price when I checked out.
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