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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-01 18:32:11
December 01 2013 18:25 GMT
#2641
edit: current-gen available i7-3930k is $450, yeah. That's after some heavy price drops. The price is whatever Intel wants to set and people will buy if they need the e-peen or need to work with that many cores at that performance level.


The problem is more mobo IMO, you can pick up a 4670k for £170, beast mobo like the d3h for £105, z87 motherboards are awesome, but x79, what is there? Seems a lot of the lower tier boards have issues, at least earlier on with bios revisions it seemed like asus higher end boards were consistently clocking like 300mhz higher with ivy-e, but i'm not very informed on x79. Is there actually anything decent, like that will give you basically max overclock you can achieve short of custom water, for a good price? If so; why isn't everybody using it, opting to pay >£250 for the somewhat well known rampage iv boards?

In honor of SSD sales today:

[image loading]

350MB/s sequential read, ~45k IOPS - over £400 for 250gb.

Four years later, we have the 840 evo 250gb, with >~550MB/s sequential read, rated 98k IOPS, at £115.64 for 250gb.

Very nice :D I'll have to retire my c300 128gb at some point.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 01 2013 21:01 GMT
#2642
On December 01 2013 06:28 nosliw wrote:
Hi Guys,

Please critic this build? I need suggestions on Storage, CPU cooler (stock one died), and GPU. partpicker said I have compatibility issues. Suggestion for fix?

Thanks,

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3550 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $0.00)
Motherboard: ECS B75H2-M3(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($48.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($15.99 @ Newegg)

Base Total: $185.96
Mail-in Rebates: -$50.00
Shipping: $3.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-30 16:25 EST-0500)
Compatibility Notes
ECS B75H2-M3(1.0) Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard has an onboard USB 3.0 header, but the Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case does not have front panel USB 3.0 ports.
(Flag compatibility notes as incorrect.)

skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2013 21:03 GMT
#2643
It's okay.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 01 2013 21:10 GMT
#2644
Thanks,
Could you suggest a CPU cooler to replace the stock one that comes with i5 3550?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2013 21:16 GMT
#2645
Just get a Hyper 212 or Xigmatek Gaia for $20-$30. If you want something better to overclock in your next config than look at a Noctua NH-U12S or Thermalright for ~$50.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 01 2013 21:25 GMT
#2646
Thanks, Do I have to worry about USB 2.0 / 3.0 compatibility issue? Motherboard has USB 3.0, but I need the case to support USB3.0 also to use it?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 01 2013 21:28 GMT
#2647
If your case doesn't have front USB3 than you simply won't have front panel USB3. You'd still have the USB3 at the back.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 01 2013 21:31 GMT
#2648
The motherboard has USB 3.0 on the back with the other ports. You can use those fine.

It also supports USB 3.0 through a header to a case or similar for two more ports. But the case is a budget model from a while back that doesn't support it.

If for whatever reason you are allergic to USB 3.0 hubs and need more than two ports or simultaneously want to hit more than two USB 3.0 ports hard with large transfers, there's stuff like this available that can connect back to the motherboard instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186176

I'm pretty sure this is not an issue and you're just getting scared off by something stupid. What you'd do with those parts is connect the USB 2.0 ports on the case to a USB 2.0 header on the motherboard and not have those extra USB 3.0 options available. Probably not an issue for you...?
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 01 2013 21:43 GMT
#2649
Thanks!
It's my first built, and I get paranoid when the website at partpicker tell me my system is incompatible.
McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 02 2013 00:40 GMT
#2650
Processor: $230 Intel Core i5 4670k
Motherboard: $110 MSI Z87-G41
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 2133MHz DDR3
Video Card: $320 ASUS Radeon R9 280 2GB
Primary Storage: 1TB Western digital Blue 6gbs SATA 64MB cache
Power Supply: $150
Case: $60 Corsair Caribide 200R Black Steel/Plastic ATX

Total: 990

Looking for a suggestion for a PSU, also anything that I may have missed in terms of bottlenecks/incompatibilities.... I'm pretty sure I checked everything but this is my first build so who knows

Other Comments: My goal is to run BF4 on high at 1920. I'm planning to OC/add an SSD at a later date, hence the k processor/mobo with no extra heatsink.
a person is smart, people are stupid
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 02 2013 00:53 GMT
#2651
G41 is a really low-end Z87 board which you don't want for overclocking and is also a very bad choice right now when a Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is significantly better at the same price ($110): http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84040&promoid=1029

Budgeting $150 for power supply is way overkill when you have a low-end Z87 and even with a good Z87 board like the Z87X-D3H, it's still pretty overkill.

$60 for Carbide 200R is overpriced. For $20 more, you can get a Fractal Design Define R4 that's significantly better.

For power supply, Capstone 550M is on sale today for $75: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182262
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 00:59:02
December 02 2013 00:58 GMT
#2652
edit: nm, pretty much repeated ^
McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 02 2013 01:58 GMT
#2653
On December 02 2013 09:53 skyR wrote:
G41 is a really low-end Z87 board which you don't want for overclocking and is also a very bad choice right now when a Gigabyte Z87X-D3H is significantly better at the same price ($110): http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=84040&promoid=1029

Budgeting $150 for power supply is way overkill when you have a low-end Z87 and even with a good Z87 board like the Z87X-D3H, it's still pretty overkill.

$60 for Carbide 200R is overpriced. For $20 more, you can get a Fractal Design Define R4 that's significantly better.

For power supply, Capstone 550M is on sale today for $75: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182262


whoops, i actually found that gigabyte and was planning on getting it but i did all my searching on newegg, so that one came up.

thanks for the heads up on the mobo and psu!

what should i be looking for in a case? i was concerned about having enough space to assemble since i didn't want to damage any parts. any suggestions cheaper than a define R4?
a person is smart, people are stupid
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 02 2013 02:22 GMT
#2654
Case is just aesthetics, price, and features that make your building process easier (which you may or may not care about).

If you're near a Canada Computers then you may want to check if your store has the Fractal Design Core 3000 available, it's $55: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=044093 They also have the Define R4 for $5 less than NCIX.

They also have the Bitfenix Outlaw for $35: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=061603
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 02:32:52
December 02 2013 02:30 GMT
#2655
On December 02 2013 09:40 McTeazy wrote:
Processor: $230 Intel Core i5 4670k
Motherboard: $110 MSI Z87-G41
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X 2x4GB 2133MHz DDR3
Video Card: $320 ASUS Radeon R9 280 2GB
Primary Storage: 1TB Western digital Blue 6gbs SATA 64MB cache
Power Supply: $150
Case: $60 Corsair Caribide 200R Black Steel/Plastic ATX

Total: 990

Looking for a suggestion for a PSU, also anything that I may have missed in terms of bottlenecks/incompatibilities.... I'm pretty sure I checked everything but this is my first build so who knows

Other Comments: My goal is to run BF4 on high at 1920. I'm planning to OC/add an SSD at a later date, hence the k processor/mobo with no extra heatsink.

Ncix has the MSI R9 280X for $309. It's on back order so I'm not sure exactly how long/if you're willing to wait for them to restock. It comes with BF4 too.

http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=90961&vpn=R9 280X GAMING 3G&manufacture=MSI&promoid=1029
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
December 02 2013 03:57 GMT
#2656
I want to upgrade the processor of my computer, how do I choose the proper one?
Currently I have this one: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 04:08:15
December 02 2013 04:07 GMT
#2657
On December 02 2013 12:57 gaizka wrote:
I want to upgrade the processor of my computer, how do I choose the proper one?
Currently I have this one: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+

You choose almost anything and it's way better than what you have.

Okay, to be serious, anything worthwhile you get will require a new motherboard and new RAM (DDR3 RAM).

As for what's appropriate, that depends on your needs and total budget for upgrading. In other words, you're replacing a significant amount of the computer, and it'll cost a couple or few (or several) hundred dollars. So how much can you spend, and what are you using the computer for? For that matter, what are the other components?
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
December 02 2013 04:27 GMT
#2658
I posted previously, I just want my computer not to die during 4v4s, I was told that the processor was the most important thing for that. I want to buy a new computer in a few months, for now I want to know how much would it be for just upgrading the processor.

This is my computer

And I have a radeon hd 5670
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
December 02 2013 05:26 GMT
#2659
With what remains of black friday deals, what can I build for a friend for 1000$?

Gaming PC. Not hardcore ; graphics don't have to be maxed.

Case
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=69199&vpn=Z11 Plus&manufacture=ZALMAN TECH&promoid=1029
79$ with MIR 25$
The box is good looking. But it's going to be my friend's call

8gb ram
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=78421&vpn=KHX16C9B1BK2/8X&manufacture=Kingston&promoid=1029
84$
I missed all the 60$ ram (((

CPU
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=81327&vpn=BX80646I54670K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1029
239$
I'm not sure on this one. I don't think he needs a CPU that strong with OC capability. Would a high end AMD be better? Or go with a non-K Intel cpu?

Mobo. I've picked what seemed to be the cheapest on NCIX
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=89799&vpn=GA-H81M-S2PV&manufacture=Gigabyte
69$

I've read a little bit. R270 is a 7870 rebranded? If so, is it worth 209$? (it comes with BF4!!)
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=90959&vpn=R9 270X GAMING 2G&manufacture=MSI&promoid=1029
209$

PSU : Reading the OP, Corsair seems like a good choice of brand.
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=76035&vpn=CP-9020047-US&manufacture=Corsair&promoid=1029
37$ after 20 MIR

How good are the hybrid HD? Does it really come close to a SSD in term of speed?

Still missing monitor. I also need to ask him if he's going to keep his Windows XP (to save money) or if he will buy a new OS.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 02 2013 06:14 GMT
#2660
R9 270x is essentially a rebranded 7870 whereas the r9 270 is too but with lower clocks.

Don't remember NCIX having any good RAM deals. All the $60 RAM deals are on Newegg.

If you're willing to do the mail in rebate than a Corsair CX is okay but not factoring in rebates, it's not a good choice.
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