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Kirb
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany900 Posts
December 19 2011 09:32 GMT
#221
Hey guys hope you can help me. Do you think I can play diablo 3 with a 400-500 $ system without laggs? Won't play any newer games than sc2, dota2 and d3 in the next years anyway, but my momentary used system doesnt quite cut it anymore. :/ I don't want to stream + I don't need the highest graphic settings or anythin just play without any problems caused by the system.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 09:49:21
December 19 2011 09:48 GMT
#222
A $500 setup should be able to run D3 fine. Without any lag is always hard to promise for games, even with expensive builds, but for most situations the $500 option in this thread is well above the minimum requirements for D3 and should be satisfactory.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
December 21 2011 06:10 GMT
#223
The $600 budget you have listed in the OP is scary similar to the one Tom's Hardware just did for their System Builder Marathon today:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-overclock-performance-gaming,3097.html

They used the same CPU, case, DVD burner, and video card (HIS vs Sapphire though). They used a different brand of H61 motherboard which was slightly more expensive but went with a smaller and cheaper Antec power supply. They used an identical set of RAM with the same price but from a different brand.
LeWoVoc
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States15 Posts
December 22 2011 22:38 GMT
#224
I'm looking to build a computer that will allow me to stream SC2 in about 720p quality. I generally like to play on low settings, if that counts for anything. Is the midway between the $600 and $700 build able to do such a thing? Is the difference in quality between the midway build and the $700 build extremely noticeable in general application? (Streaming, gaming)
On the "Road Under Construction" signs, "Road" is always above "Construction."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 22 2011 22:45 GMT
#225
On December 23 2011 07:38 LeWoVoc wrote:
I'm looking to build a computer that will allow me to stream SC2 in about 720p quality. I generally like to play on low settings, if that counts for anything. Is the midway between the $600 and $700 build able to do such a thing? Is the difference in quality between the midway build and the $700 build extremely noticeable in general application? (Streaming, gaming)


You can take the $600 build or similar and replace the graphics card (HD 6870, around $165) with a much lower end model like a HD 5570 (around $55), and you'll be good to go for that. You can also downgrade the power supply, but there's not much to save there since quality supplies of any wattage rarely sell under $40.

For what you want to do you really just want a modern quad core, a Core i5-2xxx, to be able to handle the A/V encoding for streaming while playing a demanding game. Low graphics settings mean less graphics computation ability is needed, so that's why the graphics card can be downgraded so much.
LeWoVoc
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 23:19:47
December 22 2011 23:11 GMT
#226
Thanks a bunch for the quick reply. Could you recommend a case for the $660 build? The one recommended appears to be out of production.

EDIT: I need to learn to google. Still curious about a case.
On the "Road Under Construction" signs, "Road" is always above "Construction."
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
December 23 2011 02:50 GMT
#227
hey quick question, i want to start to stream and im wondering about which cpu wud b best for that job. from lookin online and reading ur review/builds the Core i5 2500k comes up alot. Is this better than a 6core phenom ll at the same price?

specifiacaly for streaming?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 23 2011 02:55 GMT
#228
2500k is far better than a Phenom II X6.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 03:08:42
December 23 2011 03:07 GMT
#229
On December 23 2011 08:11 LeWoVoc wrote:
Thanks a bunch for the quick reply. Could you recommend a case for the $660 build? The one recommended appears to be out of production.

EDIT: I need to learn to google. Still curious about a case.


By the way, the builds in the OP are in no way frequently updated. Do look for alternatives that do the exact same thing, since prices shift around and what used to be priced lower is not necessarily at the same position.

Power supply, since you don't need a mid-high end graphics card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

As for the case, I'd personally want to avoid the really cheap stuff that may not fit together well, have cheap and noisy fans, cause noisy vibrations with hard drives installed, have poor power on switches, and so on. You may not care about those things though. You can look at $30-40 computer cases and sort them by reviews and see what looks okay I guess. Since Xigmatek Asgard II is no longer available for $30 but rather $40, I'd look elsewhere.

If you don't mind the looks, the Cooler Master HAF 912 is quite popular and only at $50 now. It was a popular option when it was selling for $60, much less $50.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233


On December 23 2011 11:50 Wi)nD wrote:
hey quick question, i want to start to stream and im wondering about which cpu wud b best for that job. from lookin online and reading ur review/builds the Core i5 2500k comes up alot. Is this better than a 6core phenom ll at the same price?

specifiacaly for streaming?


For streaming, after overclocking, it's pretty close (aside from using a lot less power), unless maybe someday the encoders can make use of the AVX instruction set, after which the i5-2500k would have a significant advantage. For pretty much everything else, the i5-2500k is a lot better. Actually, for faster encoding and encoding with poorer encoders, the i5-2500k would have more of an advantage. The only time the Phenom II X6 doesn't get trounced is if you can keep all 6 cores 100% busy.

JayChey
Profile Joined June 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 03:32:47
December 23 2011 03:30 GMT
#230
I was looking for adjustments to the $300 one on /r/buildapc, and they suggested this:

Part list permalink:
Part price breakdown by merchant:

CPU: AMD A8-3850 2.9GHz Quad-Core Processor ($145.10 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-A55M-DS2 Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Hard Drive: Seagate SV35.5 500GB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 350W ATX12V Power Supply ($29.40 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer G185HAb 18.5" Monitor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $453.11
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-12-22 22:31 EST-0500)

Thoughts on this vs the one in the OP, and in general how it'll perform on the monitor listed in games like SC2 and TOR? Thanks.

Edit: the main thing adjusted was the processor, which was upgraded for a price bump-up and a slower hard drive, but obviously the shift from Intel to AMD changes things too, right?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 23 2011 03:32 GMT
#231
That's a stupid build. Getting a discrete graphics card defeats the whole purpose in selecting the APU.
JayChey
Profile Joined June 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 03:36:17
December 23 2011 03:36 GMT
#232
In regards to the APU, the guy who suggested it stated:

"The 6550D that is built in to the APU will run in crossfire with the 6670. It will provide a substantial boost in performance."

I have no idea about the validity of this statement, of course.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 23 2011 03:40 GMT
#233
Support in games for that hybrid Crossfire between the integrated and discrete graphics is even worse than for normal Crossfire, and the boost (when it works) is hardly substantial. It's just not a good idea, considering the price.

Those prices are all after rebate btw.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 23 2011 03:41 GMT
#234
Ya he's an idiot. The APU alone is $145 and the IGP is going to be bottlenecked by the 1333MHz memory. A core i3 2100 or similar costs about $30 less and is better in gaming. With the $30, you can get a Radeon HD6770 which is significantly better.
JayChey
Profile Joined June 2011
United States92 Posts
December 23 2011 03:47 GMT
#235
Ok, thanks guys. So, something like this:

Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bRd
Part price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bRd/by_merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MLC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($58.67 @ Mwave)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Hard Drive: Seagate SV35.5 500GB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6770 1GB Video Card ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 350W ATX12V Power Supply ($29.40 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Acer G185HAb 18.5" Monitor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $446.68
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-12-22 22:46 EST-0500)

All of these rebates totally terrify me, btw. Just hoping I can actually get most of them >_>
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 03:53:20
December 23 2011 03:48 GMT
#236
On a side note, you could also get an Athlon II X4 (same CPU performance as the A8-3850) and AM3 motherboard, saving like $60. That could be used to get a better graphics card such as a HD 6770 and have plenty left over. Compared to the A8-3850 + HD 6670, it would only lose in power consumption.

The i3-2100 or other LGA 1155 choice is the better option for gaming and most use though.


edit: I'd strongly recommend you not get the Antec Basiq BP350, since that's not very good. The cheapest power supply of any quality is the Corsair CX430 V2 for $45 - $10 MIR, unfortunately.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

If you really need to scrape, consider a socket LGA 1155 Pentium or Celeron, or maybe run without a case if necessary.

edit2: I'm also not thrilled about using a 5900rpm hard drive as the system drive. If you don't mind the OS and all programs booting up slower than for a normal 7200rpm model, then it's okay though.
JayChey
Profile Joined June 2011
United States92 Posts
December 23 2011 04:02 GMT
#237
I'm fine with slow boot up - I've been PC gaming on absolute trash machines for like ~5 years now (4ish of WoW [yes there are actually machines that exist that struggle to run WoW] and now SC2 since it came out) so I'm really kind of just looking for the bare essentials that would allow me to play Star Wars, hopefully at 60 FPS and hopefully at native resolution. *sobs dramatically* So if I just switch out the PSU in that build with the Antec one, I'll be good to go? Thanks again for being so helpful, Myrmidon and skyR
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
December 23 2011 04:06 GMT
#238
The Antec Basiq is the poorer one. Actually, there's some decent Antec Basiq models; that is not one of them. The okay one is the Corsair CX V2.
JayChey
Profile Joined June 2011
United States92 Posts
December 23 2011 04:12 GMT
#239
Oh, yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. Typed without thinking. Common problem. So:

Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bSp
Part price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3bSp/by_merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar H61MLC Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($58.67 @ Mwave)
Memory: Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Hard Drive: Seagate SV35.5 500GB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6770 1GB Video Card ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Xigmatek Asgard II Black/Silver ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB DVD/CD Writer ($22.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer G185HAb 18.5" Monitor ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $475.25
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2011-12-22 23:10 EST-0500)

+ my crappy mouse/keyboard + an absolutely, completely legal copy of Windows 7 + Newegg computer building videos + friends who have built recently = a solid, compatible comp that can run those 4 games at a playable framerate on low?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 23 2011 04:17 GMT
#240
This 6770 is $90 ($70 after mail in rebate) with promo code DIA1220: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103197

You're overpaying for the DVD Burner, this is $17: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

Since you're buying the power supply from NCIX, you might as well buy the case from them as well. The Coolermaster Elite 370 is $32: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55447 as opposed to $40 ($20 after mail in rebate) with the Xigmatek Asgard II.
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