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Keep in mind that power to the CPU and GPU go through dedicated voltage regulators first. If the +12V output of the PSU is really poor or maybe is too high or low because of some weirdness with the AC power, they could still handle some of these irregularities, just maybe with higher power consumption / stress and passing through some percentage of the undesirable ripple. +12V should just go straight to the hard drive motors, though they're motors and not exactly as sensitive as CPUs and GPUs of course.
I think most hard drives take +5V and probably convert it down a bit for the logic on the PCB, which tends to probably run something more like 3.3V or lower? It might be some very simple linear regulator or worse though, I dunno, so maybe it could pass through some +5V irregularities from the PSU.
Second-last paragraph on the first page here:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/181
On the other hand, a low-quality power supply can cause several intermittent problems, most of which are difficult to solve. A defective or bad-intentioned power supply can lock the PC, result in hard disk bad blocks, cause the infamous "blue screen of death" errors, and give rise to random resets and freezings, added to many other problems.
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Not a true fix but I'll take it.
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On April 05 2012 06:42 xasuma wrote:
Right now I have 3 sticks of RAM, 2 that the computer had from before 2 gb each. And the 3rd slot I put it in when i bought my new parts which was a 4gb ddr3.
My computer has 4 slots, does it matter in what order they go in or doesnt matter? Because I just put that 3rd one in in one of the empty ones and didnt think about anything else.
Is there a tool to check if one of my Ram's is broken or something like that? Should I try and remove the one that i installed latest?
And today I have got an error twice saying that the instructions 0x6c84e691 referenced memory at 0x0d308774. The memory could not be read.
I was leaning towards the RAM before, now I am even more, but how can I make sure? Or how do i know which one of them is the one with a problem?
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Oh and for some reason some plugins keep crashing quite frequently. I dont know if this helps gives any clue/
The order which you put them in only matters for enabling dual channel memory mode, if your motherboard supports it. Besides that, as long as they are compatible with your motherboard it doesn't really matter.
I would agree that a good step might be to remove the two 2G dimms and try it with just the 4G and see what happens. If it doesn't work, I think you should still run memtest from the windows DVD. It's possible that a bad memory sector could cause the Windows install to be corrupted, so until you actually test the RAM I don't know that you can say for sure.
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What is the general consensus on overclocking CPUs around here? Is there a pricepoint on new computer builds where it becomes a must-do kind of thing? Is the performance boost that significant? 'Cause I thought most games are mainly GPU-limited.
I see people on other forums pushing for people to get -k suffix CPUs and heatsinks and etc even if the person says they weren't planning to overclock. However on TL you guys do builds for both OC and non-OC and seem to treat it as not necessary... so I'm kinda confused.
I'm more inclined to listen to the TL tech guys than most of anyone, needless to say. I also hope I didn't answer my own question.
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On April 05 2012 07:46 Vestrel wrote:
What is the general consensus on overclocking CPUs around here? Is there a pricepoint where it becomes a must-do kind of thing? Is the performance boost that significant? 'Cause I thought most games are mainly GPU-limited.
I see people on other forums pushing for people to get -k suffix CPUs and heatsinks and etc even if the person says they weren't planning to overclock. However on TL you guys do builds for both OC and non-OC and seem to treat it as not necessary... so I'm kinda confused.
I'm more inclined to listen to the TL tech guys than most of anyone, needless to say. I also hope I didn't answer my own question.
If you aren't planning to OC your CPU for funsies or use, (and yes, most games are GPU limited), why would you waste money on gear that's only needed to overclock? We aren't talking about cars, where a Porsche is sexy even if you don't race or go twice the speed limit. We're talking computers, where functional aesthetics are key. If it does what YOU need and want it to, who gives a shit what anyone else thinks? Owning a stock clocked -k and flagship mobo is like owning a Porsche but having to get other people to drive you in it because you don't have a license.
People who think you should waste money just because they WISH they had those parts, or because they don't understand benchmarks very well aren't people you should listen to.
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are there any good budget cases that i could fit a 200+ mm fan on the side panel? and are there any 1155 or AM3 mATX mobos that i could CF 2 6770's?
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On April 05 2012 07:46 Vestrel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is the general consensus on overclocking CPUs around here? Is there a pricepoint on new computer builds where it becomes a must-do kind of thing? Is the performance boost that significant? 'Cause I thought most games are mainly GPU-limited.
I see people on other forums pushing for people to get -k suffix CPUs and heatsinks and etc even if the person says they weren't planning to overclock. However on TL you guys do builds for both OC and non-OC and seem to treat it as not necessary... so I'm kinda confused.
I'm more inclined to listen to the TL tech guys than most of anyone, needless to say. I also hope I didn't answer my own question.
Overclocking in some cases does improve performance significantly. Whether one should do it or not is up to the individual, some people are just not comfortable with messing with stuff regardless of how easy it is.
It's not necessary or a must-do kind of thing but there are certain cases where you should do it just because it makes sense... If you pair a non-K suffix processor with SLI, a flagship board, or a flagship heatsink than you're obviously going to get those who think you have more money than brains.
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@Vestrel
I'm pretty much with JH on the overclocking issue.
7-10 years ago, the CPU market was such that overclocking made sense. The resources required for software and games were quickly outpacing hardware's growth, and high end CPUs were expensive and rather slow (single core 3.2Ghz pentium 4 was $500+ at one time!)
But in the last 5 or so years the trend has really reversed, and increases in hardware capabilities have really begun to outpace the needs of software. CPUs have reached a point where they are fast enough and cheap enough that there really is no point to overclocking anymore, at least in most situations. It makes no sense to spend the money on a non-stock heatsink and cooling system, deal with potential instability, or risk damage to your hardware (if you don't know what your doing) when you can get a brand new 3Ghtz+ quad core from New Egg at around $200. That's going to be more than fast enough for just about every game out there. I do some higher end stuff including virtualization and 3D graphics rendering and honestly my 2.1G quad core phenom is enough even for me.
Unless you have a solid state drive, your going to quickly reach a point where overclocking your CPU is just going to mean it sits idle more of the time. The only place where overclocking really makes sense IMO is with old hardware. If you've got a pentium 4 or AMD Athlon sitting around and you want to put it to use, then by all means overclock away.
I honestly think that a lot of people overclock because it makes them feel cool and they can brag to their friends about how 1337 they are. Which is fine, but they shouldn't then advise other people to do it.
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i recently have a problem with my computer, the clock on my computer has been slowing down for some reason and i dont know what is wrong.
ive tried replacing the battery on the motherboard and reinstalling windows and its still the same, any help would be nice
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On April 05 2012 09:15 Adaelden wrote:
i recently have a problem with my computer, the clock on my computer has been slowing down for some reason and i dont know what is wrong.
ive tried replacing the battery on the motherboard and reinstalling windows and its still the same, any help would be nice
Clearly there is some type of temporal anomaly that is affecting the PC. Make sure if you have any flux capacitors or temporal engines that they are at a safe distance from your PC. 
Also, click on the clock and go to "change date and time settings". Go to the tab "internet time" and make sure that Windows is setup to automatically synchronize time, I think the default server is time.windows.com Windows should regularly update the clock.
If it's not set correctly that could explain the issue. Most modern electronics rely on quartz crystals for time keeping, which can lose or gain time if they are regularly heated and cooled as in a PC. At least that's my guess. If that's not it the quartz crystal element on the motherboard may just be borked. Or one of your neighbors is a time lord with a tardis.
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I am looking into the RAM'S in my commputer .
I have ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230
And I added a 4gb ram.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423
Now reading at the motherboard manual, it says 3 spots are PCI slots and 1 is PCI express.
PCI slots are used to install expansion cards that have the 32-bit PCI interface.
PCIE (PCIE1,3,4 cards with x1 lane width cards) and (PCIE2 FOR X16 LANE WIDTH)
in thew motherboard itself says DDR3 (A1,A2,B1,B2) .
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Would that RAM fall into which category? ?
And what does( PCIE X1 slot;white) means??
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On April 05 2012 11:02 xasuma wrote:I am looking into the RAM'S in my commputer . I have ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230And I added a 4gb ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423Now reading at the motherboard manual, it says 3 spots are PCI slots and 1 is PCI express. PCI slots are used to install expansion cards that have the 32-bit PCI interface. PCIE (PCIE1,3,4 cards with x1 lane width cards) and (PCIE2 FOR X16 LANE WIDTH) in thew motherboard itself says DDR3 (A1,A2,B1,B2) . --------------------------------------------------------- Would that RAM fall into which category? ? And what does( PCIE X1 slot;white) means??
RAM goes into the 240pin DDR3 RAM slots next to the CPU. They're at right angles to ALL of the slots you listed.
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On April 05 2012 11:02 xasuma wrote:I am looking into the RAM'S in my commputer . I have ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230And I added a 4gb ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423Now reading at the motherboard manual, it says 3 spots are PCI slots and 1 is PCI express. PCI slots are used to install expansion cards that have the 32-bit PCI interface. PCIE (PCIE1,3,4 cards with x1 lane width cards) and (PCIE2 FOR X16 LANE WIDTH) in thew motherboard itself says DDR3 (A1,A2,B1,B2) . --------------------------------------------------------- Would that RAM fall into which category? ? And what does( PCIE X1 slot;white) means??
I must be reading this wrong, it sounds like you are trying to plug RAM into your PCI slots? 
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On April 05 2012 11:08 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 11:02 xasuma wrote:I am looking into the RAM'S in my commputer . I have ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230And I added a 4gb ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423Now reading at the motherboard manual, it says 3 spots are PCI slots and 1 is PCI express. PCI slots are used to install expansion cards that have the 32-bit PCI interface. PCIE (PCIE1,3,4 cards with x1 lane width cards) and (PCIE2 FOR X16 LANE WIDTH) in thew motherboard itself says DDR3 (A1,A2,B1,B2) . --------------------------------------------------------- Would that RAM fall into which category? ? And what does( PCIE X1 slot;white) means?? I must be reading this wrong, it sounds like you are trying to plug RAM into your PCI slots?
No, the reading wrong is happening with the motherboard manual. PEBKAC. You're doing fine.
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On April 05 2012 11:09 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 11:08 TheToast wrote:On April 05 2012 11:02 xasuma wrote:I am looking into the RAM'S in my commputer . I have ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230And I added a 4gb ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423Now reading at the motherboard manual, it says 3 spots are PCI slots and 1 is PCI express. PCI slots are used to install expansion cards that have the 32-bit PCI interface. PCIE (PCIE1,3,4 cards with x1 lane width cards) and (PCIE2 FOR X16 LANE WIDTH) in thew motherboard itself says DDR3 (A1,A2,B1,B2) . --------------------------------------------------------- Would that RAM fall into which category? ? And what does( PCIE X1 slot;white) means?? I must be reading this wrong, it sounds like you are trying to plug RAM into your PCI slots? No, the reading wrong is happening with the motherboard manual. PEBKAC. You're doing fine.
Well he must have had it plugged in properly at some point, otherwise the motherboard would never have reached post. Then he would have been posting asking why his PC just beeps and shuts down when he hits the power button.
Either way, this is why I take issue with the "it's always better to build a PC than buy a PC" argument. For some people, it's really better to buy....
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On April 05 2012 11:12 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 11:09 JingleHell wrote:On April 05 2012 11:08 TheToast wrote:On April 05 2012 11:02 xasuma wrote:I am looking into the RAM'S in my commputer . I have ASRock P67 PRO3 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230And I added a 4gb ram. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231423Now reading at the motherboard manual, it says 3 spots are PCI slots and 1 is PCI express. PCI slots are used to install expansion cards that have the 32-bit PCI interface. PCIE (PCIE1,3,4 cards with x1 lane width cards) and (PCIE2 FOR X16 LANE WIDTH) in thew motherboard itself says DDR3 (A1,A2,B1,B2) . --------------------------------------------------------- Would that RAM fall into which category? ? And what does( PCIE X1 slot;white) means?? I must be reading this wrong, it sounds like you are trying to plug RAM into your PCI slots? No, the reading wrong is happening with the motherboard manual. PEBKAC. You're doing fine. Well he must have had it plugged in properly at some point, otherwise the motherboard would never have reached post. Then he would have been posting asking why his PC just beeps and shuts down when he hits the power button. Either way, this is why I take issue with the "it's always better to build a PC than buy a PC" argument. For some people, it's really better to buy....
Well, to be fair, I'm not sure it's legal to apply for credit or open a bank account in most countries at that point. We MAY be dealing with a language barrier though.
But yeah, RAM doesn't fit in ANY of the wrong places unless you're using ungodly force.
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I messed up! Okay I was reading the next page of the manual , im sorry!
So I got the right thing now, and I had 2 previous RAM sticks. they are identical, they are in the A1 and A2 (those are 2 gb each) , and the newest one i got its in the B1.
It says identical RAM'S should be in the same color , which would be A1 with B1..
So I have them wrong. The question is, could this be giving me trouble with some blue screens?
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A 5 year old can build a computer.
Bad RAM spots would prob prevent booting properly. I think one of your old sticks is busted. Try with only the 4gb stick.
EDIT: This might have been done I dunno I am having a hard time following.
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On April 05 2012 11:14 xasuma wrote:
I messed up! Okay I was reading the next page of the manual , im sorry!
So I got the right thing now, and I had 2 previous RAM sticks. they are identical, they are in the A1 and A2 (those are 2 gb each) , and the newest one i got its in the B1.
It says identical RAM'S should be in the same color , which would be A1 with B1..
So I have them wrong. The question is, could this be giving me trouble with some blue screens?
Generally, doing things differently than your motherboard manual tells you to can cause issues. As for whether it can cause a BSOD, depends on your individual board and BIOS. Some, probably not, some most likely yes, others it's a coin flip.
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