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On April 05 2012 22:45 alQahira wrote:
When a surge protector switch is turned off, does it still provide ground to whatever is plugged into it, or only when the surge protector is switched on? This is for static electricity purposes. This particular model has a ground indicator that turns on when it is on. From some googling my guess is no, since I guess there is no physical connection when the surge protector is switched off, but it wasn't entirely clear.
Just sort of curious.
Are you sure that's not a ground fault indicator thingummy? Or whatever the shit is called? Sorry, one of our guys with EE experience would probably be able to make that make more sense. A ground, by it's very nature, should NOT have current flowing through it, and thus should not require a closed circuit to function.
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On April 05 2012 22:24 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 16:12 Fragile51 wrote:On April 04 2012 23:50 Fragile51 wrote:On April 04 2012 23:21 TheToast wrote:On April 04 2012 23:09 Fragile51 wrote:
Hmm, so today i installed new RAM for the first time. It went relatively smoothly, as i'm a first timer it took me a while but hey...i got it done. So i start up my pc and everything is fine. I check out task manager and it recognizes the added ram (i had 4GB, added 8GB). During normal low strain use, there are no problems. When i start to do multiple demanding tasks at once though (think of playing tribes ascend with a youtube video on in the background) Youtube crashes, followed by the game i was playing. It went exactly the same way with just running Battlefield 3 campaign. It is fine for a while, but then when i fire my first shot the game crashes. Before i tested this i got 2 BSOD's in a row. Anyone know what might be wrong? Do you have the error code from the BSOD? That could be extremely helpful. It's very possible that one of the dimms has one or more bad memory sectors. When the memory controller goes to access data stored on one of those sectors, it returns corrupted data; possibly causing system processes or services to crash. If that's the case, it could either be a manufacturing defect or if you were not careful could be damage from installation, very possibly caused by static. There are a number of memory test programs out there, you could also try using just two of the dimms at a time to narrow down which one may have the defect. No sorry, i don't. I removed the RAM from the motherboard, swapped it around, and tried again and it worked fine again, even when i used over 4GB's of RAM. So i removed them again and swapped them again, and all was fine then too. Guess i didn't seat them properly the first time? EDIT: Also, would you mind naming some of these test programs? Just to be sure  Sooo, after running it for a while again yesterday i got BSOD for the 4th time, so i decided to do something different. I took out the old memory modules and just ran it on the new 8GB for a while, which seemed to work fine. But i still didn't really trust it so i installed memtest86+ on an usb drive and ran it for about 14 hours/12 full passes. No errors were actually found, so i guess that means that the new memory modules are fine. I guess i'll just run it on 8gb for the time being then and i'll reinstall the remaining 4gb and run a memtest again when i find the time, but damn this whole ordeal has been frustrating x_x Anyone know what might be up? Is my pc haunted? :p More likely there is a bad memory sector on the one of the dimms you pulled out. Using memtest you should be able to figure out which one that is and get rid of it. Could have been damaged when you installed the new memory, no way to know for certain. Either way, 8G should really be enough for just about anything you are doing. Installing more RAM isn't going to make your PC "go faster". + Show Spoiler +okay, well superfetch will actually be able to in theory pre-emptively load more stuff into memory, but this only really matters for launching programs and not really for any tangible performace benefit Also, has anyone else been noticing issues with images hosted on imgur not loading properly, or am I just crazy? I've been seeing the default imgur error message all around TL lately, I'm assuming they are having problems? I swear if they added some kind of maximum bandwith limit like photobucket I'll be pretty pissed.
Yeah, that's what i figured as well. As long as my new sticks of memory are fine i don't really mind, but meh.
And yes, imgur has been acting up for me too since about yesterday. Banners on TL not loading, imgur links giving me a 502, the likes. Guess they are just having problems :/
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On April 05 2012 22:45 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 22:41 Termi wrote:
Hmm, i think it is mounted in abit of a weird way, but i think i should be able to take it out, and i have a standard size card slot, but the case is rather small.
And also, do you think you could recommend a good graphics card, preferred around 150 USD or less.
(Prices in Denmark are abit higher than newegg, ncix etc.)
GTX 460 or HD 6850? http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/291?vs=313They kinda fluctuate on which is better. They tend to hit around that mark these days. If they cost too much there, consider HD 5770, HD 6770, or GTS 450.
As someone who owns an asus HD6850, it's a pretty damn good card, and it handles pretty much any game you throw at it. If you have special needs for a game (like insane high resolutions on multi-monitor-setups with maxxed out detail) you might notice a significant drop in framerate, but just about any modern title is playable with it.
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On April 05 2012 23:11 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 22:24 TheToast wrote:On April 05 2012 16:12 Fragile51 wrote:On April 04 2012 23:50 Fragile51 wrote:On April 04 2012 23:21 TheToast wrote:On April 04 2012 23:09 Fragile51 wrote:
Hmm, so today i installed new RAM for the first time. It went relatively smoothly, as i'm a first timer it took me a while but hey...i got it done. So i start up my pc and everything is fine. I check out task manager and it recognizes the added ram (i had 4GB, added 8GB). During normal low strain use, there are no problems. When i start to do multiple demanding tasks at once though (think of playing tribes ascend with a youtube video on in the background) Youtube crashes, followed by the game i was playing. It went exactly the same way with just running Battlefield 3 campaign. It is fine for a while, but then when i fire my first shot the game crashes. Before i tested this i got 2 BSOD's in a row. Anyone know what might be wrong? Do you have the error code from the BSOD? That could be extremely helpful. It's very possible that one of the dimms has one or more bad memory sectors. When the memory controller goes to access data stored on one of those sectors, it returns corrupted data; possibly causing system processes or services to crash. If that's the case, it could either be a manufacturing defect or if you were not careful could be damage from installation, very possibly caused by static. There are a number of memory test programs out there, you could also try using just two of the dimms at a time to narrow down which one may have the defect. No sorry, i don't. I removed the RAM from the motherboard, swapped it around, and tried again and it worked fine again, even when i used over 4GB's of RAM. So i removed them again and swapped them again, and all was fine then too. Guess i didn't seat them properly the first time? EDIT: Also, would you mind naming some of these test programs? Just to be sure Sooo, after running it for a while again yesterday i got BSOD for the 4th time, so i decided to do something different. I took out the old memory modules and just ran it on the new 8GB for a while, which seemed to work fine. But i still didn't really trust it so i installed memtest86+ on an usb drive and ran it for about 14 hours/12 full passes. No errors were actually found, so i guess that means that the new memory modules are fine. I guess i'll just run it on 8gb for the time being then and i'll reinstall the remaining 4gb and run a memtest again when i find the time, but damn this whole ordeal has been frustrating x_x Anyone know what might be up? Is my pc haunted? :p More likely there is a bad memory sector on the one of the dimms you pulled out. Using memtest you should be able to figure out which one that is and get rid of it. Could have been damaged when you installed the new memory, no way to know for certain. Either way, 8G should really be enough for just about anything you are doing. Installing more RAM isn't going to make your PC "go faster". + Show Spoiler +okay, well superfetch will actually be able to in theory pre-emptively load more stuff into memory, but this only really matters for launching programs and not really for any tangible performace benefit Also, has anyone else been noticing issues with images hosted on imgur not loading properly, or am I just crazy? I've been seeing the default imgur error message all around TL lately, I'm assuming they are having problems? I swear if they added some kind of maximum bandwith limit like photobucket I'll be pretty pissed. Yeah, that's what i figured as well. As long as my new sticks of memory are fine i don't really mind, but meh. And yes, imgur has been acting up for me too since about yesterday. Banners on TL not loading, imgur links giving me a 502, the likes. Guess they are just having problems :/
It's weird though, it's like only half the images from imgur are missing. I suppose it's possible that one of their servers went down, but this has been going on for like two days now.
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Jinglehell, it is definitely the "ground is good" indicator, according to the manual. I mean, the light needs power to come on, so its certainly possible that the ground is always good, but the indicator only comes on when the surge protector is switched on.
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On April 06 2012 00:55 alQahira wrote:
Jinglehell, it is definitely the "ground is good" indicator, according to the manual. I mean, the light needs power to come on, so its certainly possible that the ground is always good, but the indicator only comes on when the surge protector is switched on.
Plausible. Or just some sort of awkward wording. But in general, unless there's something incomprehensibly irrational going on, grounded SHOULD be grounded.
And as has been mentioned, the risks of static damage are much overstated, the biggest causes tend to be improper cleaning methods. A good example: Never reverse a shopvac to use as a blower, as fast moving, warm, dry air causes static. I've heard more cases of that and dustrags killing components than wool socks.
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how far would I need to overclock my Phenom 2 x6 1045T to match the performance of an i5 2500k? or should i just not bother?
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On April 06 2012 01:48 Zushen wrote:
how far would I need to overclock my Phenom 2 x6 1045T to match the performance of an i5 2500k? or should i just not bother?
Well, if you mean the 2500k at stock, it depends on threaded performance on a by-application basis. If you mean you want to get it overall faster than a 2500k with even a relatively low OC of 4.2-4.3, you'd do better to just swap to an i5 2500k by the time you've invested in the cooling you'd need to have a chance of competing.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/147?vs=288
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On April 06 2012 01:48 Zushen wrote:
how far would I need to overclock my Phenom 2 x6 1045T to match the performance of an i5 2500k? or should i just not bother?
Crazy question, but what are you doing for which a 2.7Ghz hex core is insufficient? While I realize SC2 only utilizes two cores and is a bit CPU intensive, I just don't see that it's worth it to eek out a bit higher FPS.
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Crazy question, but what are you doing for which a 2.7Ghz hex core is insufficient? While I realize SC2 only utilizes two cores and is a bit CPU intensive, I just don't see that it's worth it to eek out a bit higher FPS. It doesnt really run ultra well enough and i would like to have a smoother 720p stream
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2.7ghz is really low. id really say you need at least 3.5ghz to stream and play at the same time, but 3.2 mayyyyy be ok.
Also, what GPU are you using?
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i have a 965BE that i could oc too if it would yield better performance its 3.4 ghz
atm
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On April 06 2012 03:28 Zushen wrote:
i have a 965BE that i could oc too if it would yield better performance its 3.4 ghz
atm
It's still a Ph2, so clock for clock performance will be similar, with some exceptions. So how, exactly, would having less threads left over to stream with be better? OC the x6 over that. Just don't expect the x6 to compete all that effectively against anything newer than Core2 in SC2 performance.
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+ Show Spoiler + Just don't expect the x6 to compete all that effectively against anything newer than Core2 in SC2 performance.
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Use a faster encoding preset for the stream, to put less of a load on the CPU at the expense of some quality. Also, drop CPU-related graphics settings in the game.
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On April 06 2012 03:48 Zushen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Just don't expect the x6 to compete all that effectively against anything newer than Core2 in SC2 performance. wow thats sad I should have gone intel while i could
Well, it's a generalization and should be treated as such, and I probably should have specified "within similar price points".
And of course, that's still going to be application dependent. But thread for thread, clock for clock, and dollar for dollar, they're just not spectacular against intel.
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On April 06 2012 03:55 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 03:48 Zushen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Just don't expect the x6 to compete all that effectively against anything newer than Core2 in SC2 performance. wow thats sad I should have gone intel while i could Well, it's a generalization and should be treated as such, and I probably should have specified "within similar price points". And of course, that's still going to be application dependent. But thread for thread, clock for clock, and dollar for dollar, they're just not spectacular against intel.
Yeah, compared across the same frequencies and number of cores (such as quad core 2Ghz) I5s are going to definetly out perform the Phenom 2. However there is a pretty major price difference, when I bought my laptop a little over a year ago the price gap was like $150 iirc; so there's a bit of a grey area.
Which way to go really depends on the focus of the build. If your looking for pure performance, Intel is the way to go. If you looking for cost effectiveness, i.e. the most "bang for your buck" AMD might be the better way to go. But this again really depends on what you are doing with the PC, especially if you have applications that can actively utilize more than two cores (unlike SC2). You can get an AMD hex-core for less than $150 on New Egg, that's a pretty darn good deal.
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On April 06 2012 04:12 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 03:55 JingleHell wrote:On April 06 2012 03:48 Zushen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Just don't expect the x6 to compete all that effectively against anything newer than Core2 in SC2 performance. wow thats sad I should have gone intel while i could Well, it's a generalization and should be treated as such, and I probably should have specified "within similar price points". And of course, that's still going to be application dependent. But thread for thread, clock for clock, and dollar for dollar, they're just not spectacular against intel. Yeah, compared across the same frequencies and number of cores (such as quad core 2Ghz) I5s are going to definetly out perform the Phenom 2. However there is a pretty major price difference, when I bought my laptop a little over a year ago the price gap was like $150 iirc; so there's a bit of a grey area. Which way to go really depends on the focus of the build. If your looking for pure performance, Intel is the way to go. If you looking for cost effectiveness, i.e. the most "bang for your buck" AMD might be the better way to go. But this again really depends on what you are doing with the PC, especially if you have applications that can actively utilize more than two cores (unlike SC2). You can get an AMD hex-core for less than $150 on New Egg, that's a pretty darn good deal.
Yeah, but unless you're cheapskating on the motherboard to the point that you can't OC, you're not going to spend considerably less than a Sandy Bridge i5 non-k build, and if you can't OC the x6, it's STILL going to lose in most multi-threaded applications. For price/performance comparisons to be legit, you need to consider the mobo price differential, and H67 + non-k SB i5 is better performance than a comparable amount of money spent on an x6 and mobo, since the AMD board probably won't OC well if at all in that price range.
It's pretty rare these days to hit a niche where it makes sense to buy AMD over Intel.
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That's true, factoring in the motherboard price is going to make a difference. Looking at New Egg I5's have also come down in price over the past few months, much more than I realized.
But I'd still say if you were going for a budget build, depending one what you're using it for going AMD might make sense.
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