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On February 22 2012 04:54 TheTreeKing wrote:For you IT people out there: 1.) Will this process give me basic computer imaging?Basic imaging process in above link: 1. Create WINPREP cd 2. SYSPREP (Probably gonna skip this, I don't need domain information installed) 3. Capture Image, create and Install new media Just want basically an updated Win 7 image to install from to avoid long update times and installation of Office, etc. I'm not worried about domains, we can configure those seperately Other info: IAMA M.I.S. major with a tech job for a small IT program at a very large University. We toyed with buying Symantect Ghost but don't want to purchase licenses. I figured this would be a faster, cleaner way to setup workstations. (and free!) 2.) Is there any cool/free/better utility to do this?I've heard mutterings of free imaging, and thought I'd go to you guys. You're pretty smart folks. Not quite simple, but I didn't want to make a thread. Seemed too small of a question to do that.
If you are making an image and you skip Sysprep, you are going to have to manually rename every PC that you image, or every PC that you image is going to have the same name/SID/etc.
Symantec Ghost is nice, but yes all of Symantec's software is very expensive for what it is (IMO). Clonezilla is a free imaging tool that's out there, I've never used it but I haven't heard great things about it.
If you've only got a small number of PCs, I think using something like NLite is probably going to be your best bet. NLite is basically a freeware program that can create custom Windows installers, so you can do a fresh install without the hassle of removing all the junk you don't need or configuring settings/security policies each time. If I were you I would then just put the standard software and drivers on a disc with a silent install script. ezpz. You would still have to add it to the domain manually but that takes like 30 seconds.
Nlite: http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html
Edit: I should mention that the benefit of this is that if you ever want to change out software/drivers or include an updated version; it's a 30 second process instead of having to make a whole new image (which can take hours). That's why for a small environment <35 PCs or so I just don't see that doing an image makes any sense. You really aren't going to see a time saving benefit until you have more PCs.
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On February 22 2012 06:19 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 04:54 TheTreeKing wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For you IT people out there: 1.) Will this process give me basic computer imaging?Basic imaging process in above link: 1. Create WINPREP cd 2. SYSPREP (Probably gonna skip this, I don't need domain information installed) 3. Capture Image, create and Install new media Just want basically an updated Win 7 image to install from to avoid long update times and installation of Office, etc. I'm not worried about domains, we can configure those seperately Other info: IAMA M.I.S. major with a tech job for a small IT program at a very large University. We toyed with buying Symantect Ghost but don't want to purchase licenses. I figured this would be a faster, cleaner way to setup workstations. (and free!) 2.) Is there any cool/free/better utility to do this?I've heard mutterings of free imaging, and thought I'd go to you guys. You're pretty smart folks. Not quite simple, but I didn't want to make a thread. Seemed too small of a question to do that. + Show Spoiler +If you are making an image and you skip Sysprep, you are going to have to manually rename every PC that you image, or every PC that you image if going to have the same name/SID/etc. Symantec Ghost is nice, but yes all of Symantec's software is very expensive for what it is (IMO). Clonezilla is a free imaging tool that's out there, I've never used it but I haven't heard great things about it. If you've only got a small number of PCs, I think using something like NLite is probably going to be your best bet. NLite is basically a freeware program that can create custom Windows installers, so you can do a fresh install without the hassle of removing all the junk you don't need or configuring settings/security policies each time. If I were you I would then just put the standard software and drivers on a disc with a silent install script. ezpz. Would have to add it to the domain manually but that takes like 30 seconds. Nlite: http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.htmlEdit: I should mention that the benefit of this is that if you ever want to change out software/drivers or include an updated version; it's a 30 second process instead of having to make a whole new image (which can take hours). That's why for a small environment <35 PCs or so I just don't see that doing an image makes any sense. You really aren't going to see a time saving benefit until you have more PCs.
Like a BAUS Toast. That tool is prettymuch what I wanted.
Side info on our computers:
We have 181 workstations (not all in use) with 5+ hardware configurations (including administration PCs with custom software needs). We're in the middle of updating all our computers to Win7 (hardware/OS upgrades). An expansion being put up right now will bring our total workstation total to (I'm estimating here) somewhere around 400, quadrupling square footage of the facility. (As you can tell, having a college kid like me working on full-time staff issues is probably one of the smaller problems this place has.)
So yeah... I really want to image these bitches. Adding to domain will need to be manual, but like you said, only 30 seconds. I'm probably gonna go through with the idea for a silent install disk. That should save so much time.
The only issue I'm seeing is that nLite seems to only work for XP. My fault, I should have mentioned Win7-64b requirement.
Anyone have any alternatives?
Edited for completeness.
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On February 22 2012 06:50 TheTreeKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 06:19 TheToast wrote:On February 22 2012 04:54 TheTreeKing wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For you IT people out there: 1.) Will this process give me basic computer imaging?Basic imaging process in above link: 1. Create WINPREP cd 2. SYSPREP (Probably gonna skip this, I don't need domain information installed) 3. Capture Image, create and Install new media Just want basically an updated Win 7 image to install from to avoid long update times and installation of Office, etc. I'm not worried about domains, we can configure those seperately Other info: IAMA M.I.S. major with a tech job for a small IT program at a very large University. We toyed with buying Symantect Ghost but don't want to purchase licenses. I figured this would be a faster, cleaner way to setup workstations. (and free!) 2.) Is there any cool/free/better utility to do this?I've heard mutterings of free imaging, and thought I'd go to you guys. You're pretty smart folks. Not quite simple, but I didn't want to make a thread. Seemed too small of a question to do that. + Show Spoiler +If you are making an image and you skip Sysprep, you are going to have to manually rename every PC that you image, or every PC that you image if going to have the same name/SID/etc. Symantec Ghost is nice, but yes all of Symantec's software is very expensive for what it is (IMO). Clonezilla is a free imaging tool that's out there, I've never used it but I haven't heard great things about it. If you've only got a small number of PCs, I think using something like NLite is probably going to be your best bet. NLite is basically a freeware program that can create custom Windows installers, so you can do a fresh install without the hassle of removing all the junk you don't need or configuring settings/security policies each time. If I were you I would then just put the standard software and drivers on a disc with a silent install script. ezpz. Would have to add it to the domain manually but that takes like 30 seconds. Nlite: http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.htmlEdit: I should mention that the benefit of this is that if you ever want to change out software/drivers or include an updated version; it's a 30 second process instead of having to make a whole new image (which can take hours). That's why for a small environment <35 PCs or so I just don't see that doing an image makes any sense. You really aren't going to see a time saving benefit until you have more PCs. Like a BAUS Toast. That tool is prettymuch what I wanted. Side info on our computers: We have 181 workstations (not all in use) with 5+ hardware configurations (including administration PCs with custom software needs). We're in the middle of updating all our computers to Win7 (hardware/OS upgrades). An expansion being put up right now will bring our total workstation total to (I'm estimating here) somewhere around 400, quadrupling square footage of the facility. (As you can tell, having a college kid like me working on full-time staff issues is probably one of the smaller problems this place has.) So yeah... I really want to image these bitches. Adding to domain will need to be manual, but like you said, only 30 seconds. I'm probably gonna go through with the idea for a silent install disk. That should save so much time. The only issue I'm seeing is that nLite seems to only work for XP. My fault, I should have mentioned Win7-64b requirement. Anyone have any alternatives?Edited for completeness.
Yeah, sorry I was thinking of Vista; there is a version of Nlite for Vista called Vlite, but that's probably not going to help you.
For 400+ PCs, yeah I can definetly see why you want to use an imaging system. (when you said small IT program I was thinking like >50 people). 5+ hardware configurations isn't bad, the last place I worked had around 20, and much like in your case half the business units required special software. Due to poor managerial decisions we ended up installing PCs from scratch for like a year; it really really sucked. So I understand your position.
For an organization of that size, the ideal solution would be Microsoft's System Center Configuration Manager. Can deploy Windows remotely, create custom driver/software installation packages (it's not an image, updating software is easy as swapping out the installer on the server), and can also be setup to push out Windows updates via the configuration manager in Windows just like a Wsus server. It's shiny  It's also really expensive, requires a server, requires PXE boot, and also can be a bitch to setup. But once it's going and you know what you are doing it's the ideal solution.
Barring that, Symantec Ghost is a decent alternative. For 400+ PCs I think your department should easily be able to justify the cost considering how much time and labor it could save. I haven't used any of the latest versions of ghost, but the ability to either run an imaging server or as a stand alone application is nice. You can pretty much just throw your image on an external with the ghost tools and boot it from USB. Really, really nice to be able to do that. I'm not sure how their licensing works exactly, but it's like $40 per license so it's not really that expensive if you don't intend to host a server. I'm guessing if you wanted to utilize the "Ghost Agent" that would get pretty expensive too.
If you really have no budget, the only other option available to you pretty much is clonezilla. Again, I've never used it and I haven't heard great things about it. But it may be what you are looking for.
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On February 22 2012 07:17 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 06:50 TheTreeKing wrote:On February 22 2012 06:19 TheToast wrote:On February 22 2012 04:54 TheTreeKing wrote:+ Show Spoiler +For you IT people out there: 1.) Will this process give me basic computer imaging?Basic imaging process in above link: 1. Create WINPREP cd 2. SYSPREP (Probably gonna skip this, I don't need domain information installed) 3. Capture Image, create and Install new media Just want basically an updated Win 7 image to install from to avoid long update times and installation of Office, etc. I'm not worried about domains, we can configure those seperately Other info: IAMA M.I.S. major with a tech job for a small IT program at a very large University. We toyed with buying Symantect Ghost but don't want to purchase licenses. I figured this would be a faster, cleaner way to setup workstations. (and free!) 2.) Is there any cool/free/better utility to do this?I've heard mutterings of free imaging, and thought I'd go to you guys. You're pretty smart folks. Not quite simple, but I didn't want to make a thread. Seemed too small of a question to do that. + Show Spoiler +If you are making an image and you skip Sysprep, you are going to have to manually rename every PC that you image, or every PC that you image if going to have the same name/SID/etc. Symantec Ghost is nice, but yes all of Symantec's software is very expensive for what it is (IMO). Clonezilla is a free imaging tool that's out there, I've never used it but I haven't heard great things about it. If you've only got a small number of PCs, I think using something like NLite is probably going to be your best bet. NLite is basically a freeware program that can create custom Windows installers, so you can do a fresh install without the hassle of removing all the junk you don't need or configuring settings/security policies each time. If I were you I would then just put the standard software and drivers on a disc with a silent install script. ezpz. Would have to add it to the domain manually but that takes like 30 seconds. Nlite: http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.htmlEdit: I should mention that the benefit of this is that if you ever want to change out software/drivers or include an updated version; it's a 30 second process instead of having to make a whole new image (which can take hours). That's why for a small environment <35 PCs or so I just don't see that doing an image makes any sense. You really aren't going to see a time saving benefit until you have more PCs. Like a BAUS Toast. That tool is prettymuch what I wanted. Side info on our computers: We have 181 workstations (not all in use) with 5+ hardware configurations (including administration PCs with custom software needs). We're in the middle of updating all our computers to Win7 (hardware/OS upgrades). An expansion being put up right now will bring our total workstation total to (I'm estimating here) somewhere around 400, quadrupling square footage of the facility. (As you can tell, having a college kid like me working on full-time staff issues is probably one of the smaller problems this place has.) So yeah... I really want to image these bitches. Adding to domain will need to be manual, but like you said, only 30 seconds. I'm probably gonna go through with the idea for a silent install disk. That should save so much time. The only issue I'm seeing is that nLite seems to only work for XP. My fault, I should have mentioned Win7-64b requirement. Anyone have any alternatives?Edited for completeness. Yeah, sorry I was thinking of Vista; there is a version of Nlite for Vista called Vlite, but that's probably not going to help you. For 400+ PCs, yeah I can definetly see why you want to use an imaging system. (when you said small IT program I was thinking like >50 people). 5+ hardware configurations isn't bad, the last place I worked had around 20, and much like in your case half the business units required special software. Due to poor managerial decisions we ended up installing PCs from scratch for like a year; it really really sucked. So I understand your position. For an organization of that size, the ideal solution would be Microsoft's System Center Configuration Manager. Can deploy Windows remotely, create custom driver/software installation packages (it's not an image, updating software is easy as swapping out the installer on the server), and can also be setup to push out Windows updates via the configuration manager in Windows just like a Wsus server. It's shiny It's also really expensive, requires a server, requires PXE boot, and also can be a bitch to setup. But once it's going and you know what you are doing it's the ideal solution. Barring that, Symantec Ghost is a decent alternative. For 400+ PCs I think your department should easily be able to justify the cost considering how much time and labor it could save. I haven't used any of the latest versions of ghost, but the ability to either run an imaging server or as a stand alone application is nice. You can pretty much just throw your image on an external with the ghost tools and boot it from USB. Really, really nice to be able to do that. I'm not sure how their licensing works exactly, but it's like $40 per license so it's not really that expensive if you don't intend to host a server. I'm guessing if you wanted to utilize the "Ghost Agent" that would get pretty expensive too. If you really have no budget, the only other option available to you pretty much is clonezilla. Again, I've never used it and I haven't heard great things about it. But it may be what you are looking for.
Seeing as you're in corporate IT I'm going to share this horror story with you:
There are two IT people working right now to cover those 180 workstations (me, part time, and a full timer), and right now they don't want to hire any more people. I'm going to try to convince them they are screwed once the expansion comes up if they don't hire, and I'm probably gonna get the hell out of here as well.
Once the expansion goes live, they might hire one or two people. There is no IT manager. Ther is no CIO-role, no BA-role, no CTO-role, or any combination of the three in the department. We work independently of Central IT, and are prettymuch on our own in terms of this stuff. No purchasing processes, no security checks, no IT coninutation plan, no automatic server backup, and no-one in upper management even knows what the "S" in https does or means.
But thank you for the responses! I'm going to try to go the Ghost route. Off symantec pricing it's about $20 / license (for 400, gets cheaper as you go up obviously) and you buy one license per computer you want to image (just fyi). Another department (my college, actually) uses Ghost so we can import some knowledge hopefully.
We simply do not have the technical skills for a more complex solution, even though MSCCM got me all excited.
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If I get a bare hard drive do I need to purchase some sort of adapter to connect it to my mobo?
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Is there a significant difference in modular and non modular power suppies? people say one is easier to set up then the other, if so which one should I go for?
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Non-modular means all the cables are not removable. Modular means that cables can be removed and added as you wish.
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Hey, my computer won't turn on. I was going to switch motherboard and cpu until I realized that the motherboard was too big for the case. So I had unplugged all the connectors like my 4pin and 20pin and also the sata connectors. So after I connected them back it won't turn on anymore... I tried waiting a few hours after plugging in everything. Re-plugging the connectors. Removing the battery for a min and putting it back in.
Yeah so, I don't know what to do. If you guys can give me a solution that would be great.
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On February 22 2012 03:57 Grobyc wrote:So my dad has a partial website as part of his company's site: http://www.century21.ca/karl.neffWe wanted to buy www.karlneff.com and forward it to his web site, but I've never done so with a specific page of a site (i.e. the added "/karl.neff" portion). Am I able to do this through GoDaddy's on-site DNS?
Worked just as hoped.
www.karlneff.com yay
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Looking for some advice to point me in the right direction to try and diagnose this issue:
My downloads and streams keep randomly stopping. What I mean is that downloads just stop midway and will not resume. Using either firefox or chrome. Also if I'm watching a stream they will stop and I have to refresh in order to get the stream going again. A youtube video will randomly stop loading and I have to click in the buffer just past where it stops to get it going again.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what might be the issue because this started after I built a new PC so there is no specific change I can relate towards. I'm thinking packet loss or maybe the router I use that is very old might have something to do with it, but I really am just wild guessing.
Any diagnostics or logs or places I can check to try to narrow down what might be the issue?
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On February 18 2012 00:31 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 14:55 Goldfish wrote:I was thinking of getting an external hard drive to simply use a storage (as an extra hard drive). Can this be used as such? From the reviews it seem bundled with some backup software and by default, it functions as backup only (can't copy and paste or use files from the drive)? If it does, how do I set it up as a normal HD where I can copy/paste/use files from the HD? Thanks in advance for any help. Ooo USB 3.0 nice. Looks to me like you are going to be paying a premium for that thing because it comes pre-loaded with all of Hitachi's software. I would suggest that you just buy just a normal external hard drive, you're going to be able to save a lot of money. There are tons of open source and freeware backup programs out there, FreeFileSync on Sourceforge is nice as it has literally no bloat (don't even need to install it, can run it from a single .exe on the mobile device itself). The UI isn't great though. But there are tons of other options, many of which are probably going to be better than Hitachi's stuff.
Thanks for the help .
What external hard drive would you recommend?
Checking reviews, it seems a lot of external hard drives have some who say the HD only lasts a month or so before breaking >.<. So the one I linked, it had mostly good reviews (which is why I was thinking of getting that one).
Also can external hard drives be used like an internal hard drive (like keeping it connected to the computer all the time, then using programs from said external hard drive daily)?
Seems like most reviews just use it for backup but is using it frequently possible + practical?
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On February 22 2012 13:02 Goldfish wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 18 2012 00:31 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 14:55 Goldfish wrote:I was thinking of getting an external hard drive to simply use a storage (as an extra hard drive). Can this be used as such? From the reviews it seem bundled with some backup software and by default, it functions as backup only (can't copy and paste or use files from the drive)? If it does, how do I set it up as a normal HD where I can copy/paste/use files from the HD? Thanks in advance for any help. Ooo USB 3.0 nice. Looks to me like you are going to be paying a premium for that thing because it comes pre-loaded with all of Hitachi's software. I would suggest that you just buy just a normal external hard drive, you're going to be able to save a lot of money. There are tons of open source and freeware backup programs out there, FreeFileSync on Sourceforge is nice as it has literally no bloat (don't even need to install it, can run it from a single .exe on the mobile device itself). The UI isn't great though. But there are tons of other options, many of which are probably going to be better than Hitachi's stuff. Thanks for the help . What external hard drive would you recommend? Checking reviews, it seems a lot of external hard drives have some who say the HD only lasts a month or so before breaking >.<. So the one I linked, it had mostly good reviews (which is why I was thinking of getting that one). Also can external hard drives be used like an internal hard drive (like keeping it connected to the computer all the time, then using programs from said external hard drive daily)? Seems like most reviews just use it for backup but is using it frequently possible + practical?
Yes, you can use externals just like internals. They're just HDDs after all. Except USB interface isn't as fast as SATA so having programs on the external would be a bad idea.
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On February 22 2012 13:02 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 00:31 TheToast wrote:On February 17 2012 14:55 Goldfish wrote:I was thinking of getting an external hard drive to simply use a storage (as an extra hard drive). Can this be used as such? From the reviews it seem bundled with some backup software and by default, it functions as backup only (can't copy and paste or use files from the drive)? If it does, how do I set it up as a normal HD where I can copy/paste/use files from the HD? Thanks in advance for any help. Ooo USB 3.0 nice. Looks to me like you are going to be paying a premium for that thing because it comes pre-loaded with all of Hitachi's software. I would suggest that you just buy just a normal external hard drive, you're going to be able to save a lot of money. There are tons of open source and freeware backup programs out there, FreeFileSync on Sourceforge is nice as it has literally no bloat (don't even need to install it, can run it from a single .exe on the mobile device itself). The UI isn't great though. But there are tons of other options, many of which are probably going to be better than Hitachi's stuff. Thanks for the help . What external hard drive would you recommend? Checking reviews, it seems a lot of external hard drives have some who say the HD only lasts a month or so before breaking >.<. So the one I linked, it had mostly good reviews (which is why I was thinking of getting that one). Also can external hard drives be used like an internal hard drive (like keeping it connected to the computer all the time, then using programs from said external hard drive daily)? Seems like most reviews just use it for backup but is using it frequently possible + practical?
I've been pretty happy with my 1 TB Western Digital, but I'd say as long as you stick with a name brand you will probably be fine. WD, Seagate, Hitachi, and maybe Maxtor. Whatever you get make sure it's 7200 RPM though.
Just remember that hard drive manufacturers use a scale based on powers of 10 to rate size, whereas all modern OSs use a scale based on the powers of 2. So basically, a 1 TB hard drive will actually equal around 900 gig. Just keep that in mind when deciding how much space you need.
As SkyR said, the OS can treat the external just like it would any other storage medium, but you are going to be limited by the speed of the interface. Usually that's USB but some now have e-Sata as well, all of them are going to be slower than even SATA 1, which is why most people only use it for backup and storage of extraneous stuff.
@TheTreeKing, ahh.... good luck with that lol.
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On February 22 2012 11:00 Kilos wrote:
Hey, my computer won't turn on. I was going to switch motherboard and cpu until I realized that the motherboard was too big for the case. So I had unplugged all the connectors like my 4pin and 20pin and also the sata connectors. So after I connected them back it won't turn on anymore... I tried waiting a few hours after plugging in everything. Re-plugging the connectors. Removing the battery for a min and putting it back in.
Yeah so, I don't know what to do. If you guys can give me a solution that would be great.
Did you remember to plug back in the power button cable? Make sure you plugged it into the right spot as well. In fact, you should probably re-check all the cables in the case, check to see if you have a power light on the motherboard as well. If not, something probably isn't plugged in properly.
If the power button cable is plugged in properly, and there is a light on the motherboard, it's possible that you damaged the motherboard somehow. It's also possible that there is an issue with the power supply, but it's much, much more easy to damage the motherboard than the power supply. But check all the simple stuff before you freak out, probably something simple
On February 22 2012 12:52 Aurdon wrote:
Looking for some advice to point me in the right direction to try and diagnose this issue:
My downloads and streams keep randomly stopping. What I mean is that downloads just stop midway and will not resume. Using either firefox or chrome. Also if I'm watching a stream they will stop and I have to refresh in order to get the stream going again. A youtube video will randomly stop loading and I have to click in the buffer just past where it stops to get it going again.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what might be the issue because this started after I built a new PC so there is no specific change I can relate towards. I'm thinking packet loss or maybe the router I use that is very old might have something to do with it, but I really am just wild guessing.
Any diagnostics or logs or places I can check to try to narrow down what might be the issue?
This is some type of network connectivity issue. Flash in particular can get really buggy when the connection is interrupted. I don't know that this really counts as a simple question, as there are a lot of things that can cause this, you may just want to open a thread.
My initial guess are that either your internet connection is slow/unreliable, someone else on your connection is using a huge amount of bandwidth, or possible you are on a wireless connection that doesn't have a very good signal. Without quite a bit more information about your setup I can't give you anything concrete (which is why it may be better to open a thread).
Though when the issue is happening, try opening a command prompt and run the command pathping "site" where site is the website you are trying to connect to (i.e. twitch.tv), then do the same for google.com. Copy/paste or do a screen shot of the results, it should give you some statistics about the latency and packet loss that might be helpful to diagnose the issue.
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Hey guys,
I just OC'ed my i5 2500k. These are some of the my results after 8 hours of testing. Is there anything out of the ordinary?
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Cheers
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On February 22 2012 14:56 GeZZa07 wrote:
Hey guys,
I just OC'ed my i5 2500k. These are some of the my results after 8 hours of testing. Is there anything out of the ordinary?
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Cheers
Uh... aside from the hardware failure an hour back on core 4? Your temps are a little on the high side (especially the 82 C max), what cooler do you have? What's your ambient temperature?
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ambient temperature is around 43-45. I have a hyper 212+ evo.
I am not near my computer at the moment, but I'll consult the text file and see whats up.
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On February 22 2012 15:05 GeZZa07 wrote:
ambient temperature is around 43-45. I have a hyper 212+ evo.
I am not near my computer at the moment, but I'll consult the text file and see whats up.
Jeeze, that's so hot, do you not run any AC or something? I'd try reseating the heatsink once, if you still have temps that high, I'd back off the OC a little bit (maybe 4.3-4.4, something that will let you get away with a lower voltage) until it cools off (it's summer in Australia, right?) 82 is about as high as you'd like to see, ideally below 75 ish, but with such a high ambient, that's tougher.
Yeah, check the .txt like is says, then do some googling. You might need to tweak some memory settings, or maybe a pinch more vcore, but since you didn't completely BSOD, you should be pretty close to stable.
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hey guys I am looking for a netbook that is around $200-300 bucks. Just for taking notes on word and surfing the web. Ive been out of the laptop market for awhile so I do not know which is the best deal. Can anyone help? Thanks!
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