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Andorra3 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:05 TheToast wrote: I agree their trash, but they have lots of benchmarks which are usually pretty good, and for the most part benchmarks all I care about most of the time. Sorry, the bechmarks I was looking at were for one of the lower llanos, A6 or something, the A8 does seem to outperform the Intel graphics. But HD Graphics 3000 performs surprisingly well paired with the i5. With the integrated 6620G on the A8-3500 were talking a difference of literally less than 10 FPS in SC2: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-3500m-llano-apu,2959-10.html Same thing with Crysis 2, less than 10FPS: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-3500m-llano-apu,2959-9.html You're way way way better off getting an i5 and using it with the integrated graphics and throwing a video card in the thing later when you have more cash instead of buying the AMD Fusion shit. 10 fps in crysis is a huge difference | ||
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Sovano
United States1503 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:38 JingleHell wrote: Speedfan is kinda useless, especially if you don't have a mobo with tons of extra sensors on it. Idle temps are... kinda irrelevant, unless they're through the roof. Use hardware monitor and get load temps on your CPU and GPU instead. Those temps aren't screaming "don't put under load". You can try cleaning out your heatsinks, fan filters if you have them, and case in general to improve airflow, or install an aftermarket CPU cooler and mess with idle fan speed on your GPU to see if you can get it a little quieter, but usually you need a case that's built for quiet computing if you want it to shut up. I only have my stock CPU and GPU fans, nothing else. I was worried that the RPM seems high..50 rotations a second sounded like to me something may have been wrong. Guess not. Although I do wish I had put more time into picking a better case now that you mention it. I didn't realize I picked one that's so huge and has about 7 places to install fans. 2 of which are on top and is making the fans more audible. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Read: LESS THAN 10 FPS. At 1200x800 the difference in average FPS is 6.2, at 1600x900 the difference falls to 3.3. If it can only outperform an i5 with integrated graphics by 6 FPS, that's a good indication it's a piece of shit. At least using the Intel integrated graphics on the i5 you've got a system with a decent processor that can be upgraded easily later; instead of a system with a complete piece of shit processor. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 05 2012 23:14 TheToast wrote: Read: LESS THAN 10 FPS. At 1200x800 the difference in average FPS is 6.2, at 1600x900 the difference falls to 3.3. If it can only outperform an i5 with integrated graphics by 6 FPS, that's a good indication it's a piece of shit. At least using the Intel integrated graphics on the i5 you've got a system with a decent processor that can be upgraded easily later; instead of a system with a complete piece of shit processor. Minimum FPS is 25% higher in Crysis, though. It's all in how you look at the data. There's a reason nobody said the thing is actually good (except the scenario I mentioned, super cheap laptop with some ability to play games decently). Just that it's got faster IGP than intel. Which is nothing but true. For low end PCs, minimum FPS is more important than max, since that's where smoothness comes into play. And only a few frames faster makes a whole lot more difference when minimums are ~30 or below. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
But as I was trying to gather the facts, I realized AMDs prices have come down. Previously, it didn't make much financial sense to get an AMD APU when you could get a better Intel + dGPU for the same or less cost. Now it makes a little more sense. Intel G620 + HD 6570 (~$125) cost a little more than an AMD A8-3850 (~$110) and performs about the same give-or-take. The A8 3850 used to retail around ~$135 a year ago so it didn't make sense then. I guess it makes sense for extremely budget limited systems; like the types with no optical drives, a 120GB HDD, etc. Basically trying to squeeze every dollar savings you can into that type of system. But doing that also gimps your future upgrading making it essentially an all-or-nothing computer. Personally though, I would never get an AMD APU either. And I still don't think there's any reason to get anything lower than an A6 in the desktop arena. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On June 05 2012 23:19 JingleHell wrote: Minimum FPS is 25% higher in Crysis, though. It's all in how you look at the data. There's a reason nobody said the thing is actually good (except the scenario I mentioned, super cheap laptop with some ability to play games decently). Just that it's got faster IGP than intel. Which is nothing but true. For low end PCs, minimum FPS is more important than max, since that's where smoothness comes into play. And only a few frames faster makes a whole lot more difference when minimums are ~30 or below. That's true. Though all those benchmarks were done on high settings, I'm sure if you turned the graphics all down to low you'd have a playable experience even with the HD 3000. The A8-3500 Llano APU is just for desktops. AMD's Fusion line does have a number of APUs designed for laptops, though I have no idea how they perform. My guess would be that their far worse than the Llanos given that they're clocked significantly lower. The A8-3550MX cpu is clocked a full .9Ghz lower and the HD 6620G is at 444Mhz instead of the 600 on the desktop version. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
They're also competing with also gimped desktop counterparts from Intel. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Intel's non-low-voltage laptop parts are really not all that gimped, actually, unless you're looking at quad core max multithreaded performance. Err, I guess the i3 and Pentium/Celeron models have some lowish clock speeds, so maybe I'm just talking about the i5 models, which are great. | ||
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kaifragrance
Canada50 Posts
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
i have to first admit that i'm not 100% sure that the source is my computer or its peripherals. what happened was when i was watching a movie on my computer, the scariest noise suddenly appeared out of nowhere and temporarily caused the power to go down. to best describe the sound, it was like a monkey shrieking in a high pitched voice almost like a fire-alarm. and all this lasted for about a second. any idea as to what may have caused it? | ||
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TheFrenchman
Canada10 Posts
So my question is: I changed my keyboard 2 months ago (CM Quickfire pro with brown switch) and I have a small problem. When I boot my computer because I want to go into the BIOS or the computer just crashed, my computer doesn't reconize my keyboard so I can't use my key to select "Start windows normally" or navigate through my BIOS setup. Both keyboards were usb connected, my old one was a standart rubber dome usb keyboard, don't know the model sorry, and both were plugged in the same USB port. Except this, the keyboard works great. Anyone has the answer to my problem ? Thanks. | ||
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Nabutso
351 Posts
On June 06 2012 06:05 kaifragrance wrote: All H57 boards have pcie 2.0 lanes, correct? The motherboard is fairly old so I don't want to slot a graphics card that requires a 2.1 lane if I'm not 100% certain. Fairly sure theyre 2.0. Either way, a gpu that's listed at 2.1 will work in 2.0. Hell, a gpu thats listed as pcie 3 will work on pcie 1.0. The only difference is the bandwidth. 16x pcie1 is 8x pcie2 and 4x pcie3. 16x pcie3 is 32x pcie2 and 64x pcie1, if that makes sense. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On June 06 2012 11:37 Grobyc wrote: I'm pretty sure the answer is three, but I'm wondering how many monitors my XFX Radeon 5770 HD can support. It has 2 DVI and one HDMI out ports. I'm currently using one of the DVI ports and the HDMI port. Google searching gives me http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/276786-33-monitors-xffx-5770-support which says three, but I just wanted to make sure before I go out and buy my third monitor. Good you asked, since the answer is two (unless I'm having a brain fart). You need one of the ports used to be a DisplayPort. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
This is this port you are referring to then?: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tFEob.jpg) If I were to find an adapter for DisplayPort -> HDMI/DVI or just a monitor that supports DisplayPort would I be safe for three? Thanks | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Monitors with DisplayPort are not too common, but maybe this situation just warrant getting something like a U2312HM. | ||
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
I have been reaching extremely high CPU usages from simply using my internet browsers, completely randomly. Most times while simply browsing I will sit at ~10% usage, but it sometimes spikes to 40, and today had been sitting at 60 total for hours on end. Spikes seem to be directly from "plugin-container.exe" which, when stopped, basically stops streams and youtube videos. This trades sports for #1 on the usage list with firefox/chrome. I sometimes use it for converting sound files from one to another (usually from .flac to .mp3 for mobile usage) which takes my processor to 100% usage for several minutes, could my processor have overheated during this? I limit Starcraft sessions to 2 hours on the laptop, as I have noted before that extended periods of time get the cpu to about 91-93 degress celcius, and I am worried that I may have suffered permanent damage. On startup my PC is 50 degrees, and increases to around 60 from internet browsing alone. Is there a way to make browsers more efficient/use up less of my processing power? Should I be worried about my processor? | ||
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phar
United States1080 Posts
On June 06 2012 12:03 Grobyc wrote: Oh really? This is this port you are referring to then?: If I were to find an adapter for DisplayPort -> HDMI/DVI or just a monitor that supports DisplayPort would I be safe for three? Thanks At DVI single-link resolution / fps, yes (2.75MPixel, 60Hz, so about 1920x1080/60Hz). You can do that with a cheap (<$10) passive adapter. Dual-link you need a relatively expensive active adapter. And yes, the circled outlet is displayport. (I do not know whether or not you need to use displayport, you'd have to look up the specifics on the videocard/driver situation). | ||
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