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On March 24 2011 06:21 mav451 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 03:24 Alpina wrote:I use razer abyssus, ret also uses and says it's awesome mouse  This mouse is very small and super light - it slides on goliathus control super easy. It's very precise and perfect for BW or SC2. And the most important - the price is very low compared to other mices. For me it isn't very comfortable, but I never used finger grip mices before so I can't compare. Overall I really recommend this cheap mice. Weight is ~52g I think. Wow 52gs? I've been on my MS Wheel Mouse Optical since forever primarily b/c of its combination of balance and lightweight. My main concern with Razer's is durability. I.e. can it last 8-10 years the same way MS hardware does?
Yes weight w/o cord. What about durability, it is made well but it feels like a cheap product actually. Why would you want mice to last 10 years? o_O I mean it costs pretty cheap, after few years your can change mice again.
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I use to game with an MX Anywhere mouse so I know what you're looking for. Here's some recommendations based on mice I've owned since then:
LOGITECH G9X
PROS:
1. Wide - offers crucial support for your ring and pinky fingers. Using a mouse that's too narrow for too long can lead to Ulnar Nerve Entrapment (at least it did for me)
2. Three available grips (third sold online)
3. Very accurate
4. Sturdy Quality
CONS:
1. Middle click is so stiff it's obsolete
2. I would prefer slightly less stiff buttons
3. Heavy for a gaming mouse even w/out the weights, but not nearly as heavy as the MX Anywhere
RAZER ABYSSUS:
Pros:
1. BUTTONS: easy to click, tactile, and positioned horizontally. this combination should increase hand speed and reduce fatigue without sacrificing accuracy
2. Pretty good laser
3. Relatively comfortable
4. Light weight
Cons:
1. The buttons can pinch your thumb or ring finger when pressing them depending on how you hold the mouse. There's no way to know until you actually try it
2. Built like a toy (uses shiny plastic for pete's sake)
3. A bit too narrow for my taste
STEELSERIES KINZU:
The Kinzu is basically the same shape and size as the Abyssus, except it's built sturdier, has a lovely rubber satin coating, and has stiffer buttons. It's extremely well-rounded
I use the G9X as my primary mouse because of its good quality and ergonomic wide grip, however I play SC2 with the Abyssus (even though it feels like a toy) because its sensitive buttons are perfect for my gaming style. If you're not as picky about buttons as I am I'd suggest testing them all out out in the following order (return/sell the ones you don't like)
1. Logitech G9X
2. Steelseries Kinzu
3. Razer Abyssus
And by the way, ignore any fools (YES, FOOLS) who suggest a Death Adder when you asked for a small mouse using an MX Anywhere as your reference. Hope this helps!
[note: i can confirm the Nova Slider X600 isn't well-suited for SC2]
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A couple more thoughts:
If you're a finger tip gamer I'm assuming you play with high sensitivity. If that's the case then you needn't be too concerned about the mouse's weight because, theoretically, you shouldn't have to move/re-adjust your mouse much to begin with. Am I right? In any case, any excessive lifting/adjusting you have to do with your MX Anywhere should be solved by the G9X's higher DPI and accurate tracking. Just be sure to turn off acceleration/prediction, get a decent mouse pad, and to replace any worn out mouse skates.
I'm a claw gripper and I can't remember the last time I had to pick up this mouse to re-adjust it...
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I have the Steelseries Kinzu, which is just like the Xai but a bit smaller. Amazing mouse, some people say it has hardware acceleration, which may be true, but you can disable it. I have never heard of anyone complain about the mouse except people who didn't have one and thought the acceleration couldn't be turned off.
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90g lightweight and driverless:
Roccat Kova
i got one (first version) and i'll never look back again :D
there is also a [+]-version available
ps: i'm a fingertip-gamer (+high sensivity) myself and heavy-weight mice are just not smooth enough
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One quick question if anyone has the CM Storm Spawn (and a fancy scale), can anyone post/find the weight of this mouse without the cord? I know that makes quite the difference as to 142g with, and I'm guessing somewhere around 95-115g without the cord weight.
Thanks again for everyones detailed input, I'm personally trying to decide between this mouse, g9x, or abyssus now. leaning toward cm spawn if I can locate it.
Infinite
976
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On March 23 2011 21:50 FireSA wrote:
I would recommend the razer abyssus, it is the mouse I use, not too long, incredibly sensitive buttons, no crazy macro hotkeys etc, just a really really good, reliable mouse that is quite light and very comfortable to use for touch grip
I just got one and love it. I've had a hard time finding the perfect, small, fingertip grip mouse.. and this is it! I've tried several mouses in my day and find this one to be one of the best. Comparable to the Logitech Mini Optical or smaller Logitech mice. Definitely a winner. Hope this helps :D
You really should try it out though if you have a chance to get your hands on it. Places like Microcenter have a pretty good return policy which will allow you to take it back if you end up not liking it. Just my 2 cents 
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I have had the same mouse issues for the last year. I have literally tried like 10 different mice, trying to find one that fits my needs, but I have been unsuccessful in doing so.
I initially wasn't sure what I needed to be happy, mainly because I was new to PC games, however after trying a multitude of larger gaming mice, I realized that what I really needed was the smallest mouse possible, that also had a side button. I have still been unsuccessful, and recently bought the Logitech G9x, which I thought was going to be perfect. Like the users, above, the only way I found it comfortable was to not use one of the grips that came with the mouse. The issue at that point was that the side buttons were near impossible to press with any accuracy because they end up being flush with the side.
I just bought the R.A.T. 7, and I feel like after customizing it to be as small as possible, it is still way too wide and long, so that is getting returned. I have also tried the Razer Naga, Lachesis, a Logitech G500, and a few others.
Ultimately, I have stuck with a simple Logitech M305, which is a very small, narrow mouse, however it does not have any side buttons. I really wish I could just use this mouse and somehow put a side button right where my thumb usually is, however that is obviously impossible. I think the biggest thing about this mouse is that it actually has some good height to it, meaning that it has a steep slope from the left/right mouse buttons to the back end of the mouse. This basically keeps my palm off of the mouse no matter what. Sometimes on other small mice, after a while my hand will naturally start to flatten out and my palm will start laying partially on the back end of the mouse. The slope to the M305 makes that type of thing avoidable, and thus has made me try to find a mouse with the exact dimensions of this, but also with at least one side button.
Another key to finding a mouse is that the side buttons need to be positioned further towards the back of the mouse. I have noticed that on a lot of mice, big or small, the side buttons tend to be positioned too far forward too be comfortable for me to press with any accuracy. With the fingertip style grip that I use, my thumb is positioned at the very back side of the mouse.
Ill probably post this on its own thread as I don't want to derail the OP's question, however I figured I'd give my two cents on what I think about some of the mice above.
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I have both a Razer Salmosa and Abyssus and just now put them on the kitchen scales. The Abyssus was measured as about 72g and the Salmosa as 69g. Fiddling with the mouse cord made the measurement change about +/- 2g.
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I'd just like to add a +1 to the Steelseries Kinzu. I picked one up for $30.00 and it is probably the best mouse I have owned -- Including my original Explorer (which would be 2nd).
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On March 26 2011 07:31 Infinite976 wrote:
One quick question if anyone has the CM Storm Spawn (and a fancy scale), can anyone post/find the weight of this mouse without the cord? I know that makes quite the difference as to 142g with, and I'm guessing somewhere around 95-115g without the cord weight.
Thanks again for everyones detailed input, I'm personally trying to decide between this mouse, g9x, or abyssus now. leaning toward cm spawn if I can locate it.
Infinite
976
CM Storm Spawn's weight is 90g without the cord.
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So I've had a kinzu to replace my broken g9x for about 2 days of longish ladder sessions now. It is both narrower and lighter than the g9x, so I've had to adjust my grip and sensitivity a little bit to compensate. However, now it is working out quite well. I think it's panning out to be a good purchase for its price point.
I really do want to try the spawn/see some first-hand reviews at some point though. I'm finding that the most significant thing I've noticed is the narrow(er) body of the kinzu which makes me pinch the mouse harder with my thumb and pinky. The spawn's dimensions suggest that won't be a problem at all.
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i have a G9x and i love it, i bought one for a friends birthday when i found a good deal for one (50 bucks shipped), He loves it as well. Buy a G9x
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I own a couple of Razer Salmosas and I would highly recommend them. They are the lightest gaming mouse I have ever used, they have great consistent response, and a really smooth glide on any surface (I don't even use a mouse pad with mine). The buttons are sufficiently wide and really long (over half the length of the mouse) They also press really easily no matter where on the button you press (back/front i feel no difference). There are also no extra buttons (which i see as a plus as I hate extra buttons, although others may disagree). The mouse is also quite low profile and short enough to not hit your palm, making it great for fingertip control, It is also quite cheep, like $30 cheep which is spectacular for a gaming mouse.
The only downside is the limited DPI selection (you only get to chose 800dpi or 1800dpi) so you will have to adjust in-game sensitivity if you find 1800dpi too low.
Hope that helps.
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I got a logitech G9x and you can take off the extra grips and make it pretty small. Also you can control the weight. It is very light if you don't add any of the extra weights. Its a fantastic mouse.. couldn't ask for more.
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Has anybody compared a Razer Salmosa to a Razer Abyssus? I have tried the Abyssus and I quite liked it, but the Salmosa seems to be just as small and lightweight just with a different shape. But I can't get at the local retailers and Amazon doesn't have it as well, I only found it in some smaller online shops, so I don't think I can try it out. So if anybody is capable of describing the different feel of it, I'd be grateful.
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On March 28 2011 07:35 blackone wrote:
Has anybody compared a Razer Salmosa to a Razer Abyssus? I have tried the Abyssus and I quite liked it, but the Salmosa seems to be just as small and lightweight just with a different shape. But I can't get at the local retailers and Amazon doesn't have it as well, I only found it in some smaller online shops, so I don't think I can try it out. So if anybody is capable of describing the different feel of it, I'd be grateful.
I have both. They have the same size, same weight, same materials for top, bottom and cord and basically the same shape. At the point where the top of the buttons starts to fall off towards the side of the mouse, the Abyssus has a sharp angle instead of curved surface. The mouse wheel on the Salmosa is from one piece of plastic with a rubber like look and feel. The Abyssus mouse wheel looks as if that rubber like plastic is a ring around a shiny plastic material.
The border of the top of the mouse buttons is the only difference in shape and if you don't grip the mouse in that position, there is no difference in how the two mice feel in your hands. [There was a third variant: an Asian version of the Salmosa with a smaller size.]
On the bottom of the mouse, the function of the two switches are swapped. On the Salmosa, the left switch can be set to 800 dpi or 1800 dpi, and the right switch has 125 Hz, 500 Hz and 1000 Hz options. The Abyssus uses the left switch for 125 Hz and 1000 Hz options (no 500 Hz on the Abyssus), and the right switch for 450 dpi, 1800 dpi and 3500 dpi (the Salmosa cannot be set higher than 1800 dpi).
The Salmosa has some kind of prediction and smoothes out jittery movement when you move the mouse pointer horizontally or vertically, which theoretically could be bad for tiny diagonal movements. The Abyssus has that prediction problem fixed but instead a blue LED to make the Razer logo on its back glow. Both the Salmosa prediction problem and the Abyssus blue light cannot be changed from the Razer driver because the mouse is in no way programmable through software unlike the pricier gaming mice. On the plus side, that means there is no reason whatsoever to install the Razer driver, and you can just stay on the standard Microsoft Windows stuff. [I had to paint with black water proof color over the Razer logo of the Abyssus because the stupid blue light was annoying at night.]
There is another problem you may not have noticed if you only put your hand on the Abyssus but never actually used it: you have to lift both Salmosa and Abyssus a pretty high distance before it stops tracking compared to other mice, which could be important if you often reposition your mouse. [I started gaming when there were ball mice, so I don't care.]
If I had to choose, my choice would be the Abyssus. I see no reason to buy the Salmosa.
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Thank you very much, I'm gonna buy the Abyssus then. The lift-off issue doesn't bother me because I hardly ever lift my mouse.
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Heh, so I was about to throw away my broken g9x. So I figured I try ripping off the right-mouse button beforehand to see why it stopped working.
I ended up tugging on it pretty hard when I noticed something snap back into place. I plugged it back in, and now I seem to be able to right-click just fine with it.
So now I have my kinzu (whose packaging I already disposed of so I can't return it) and my g9x both sitting on my mousepad at the moment.
It's pretty awkward right now. I hope they can resolve it themselves.
EDIT: nevermind, looks like when I went up to go to the bathroom, the kinzu garroted the g9x's right-mouse button again so it's busted. Easy peasy.
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Listen to me: I used to have a logitech anywhere mouse and then got a computer with bluetooth.
I figured hey I would love to have a bluetooth mouse for my laptop! But I like Starcraft.
So I decided on a Razer Orochi. Its a great small mouse that has the option of being wired or wireless for use with bluetooth. The problem is that the wire is very short so you may need a USB extension to use this tiny fingertip grip mouse with a desktop.
Then again I have smallish hands and thats why I like the tiny little orochi Very responsive though amazing mouse IMO
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